[Openinteract-dev] Re: [Poop-group] [announce] The Object Persistathon! (2nd try)

[Darren D. <da...@Da...>]

On Tue, 30 Nov 2004, Simon Cozens wrote:
> > First of all, I would *definitely* be interested in implementing the 
> > things you mention using my bleeding-edge Rosetta/SQL::Routine framework.  
> 
> Ah. I didn't ask for that.
> You see, there are about 30,000 new, cool and bleeding edge object persistence
> / object representation frameworks on CPAN, and I don't want the chapter to be
> 30,000 pages long. To avoid this, I had to make a selection, and the problem
> with making selections is that it upsets people who wrote the things which
> didn't get selected. I'm sorry about that. I tried to select a list of
> frameworks which were either well known, widely used or well designed; you can
> amuse yourself by guessing which category I filed each one into. The final
> list was Alzabo, SPOPS, CDBI, Pixie, Class::Persist and Tangram, and I'm
> afraid that's not negotiable. I have to make a selection somehow.

Thanks for clearing that up now.

The original posting gave no indication that there was a "final list".  It 
simply said that all people who want to submit for a framework can do so.  
In fact, the closest thing to any list was giving a few examples and 
saying who was doing some and which needed help.  No indication that was 
it.  If I am wrong about this, then please say where the list was first 
announced, as I missed that context.

I appreciate you being as up front with this as early as you are.  Now I 
won't have to waste my time implementing all those specs and tests etc.

On the other hand, I will continue to give feedback and suggestions on the 
given schema and other things that the approved frameworks need to 
implement.

> Implementing the stuff requested might be good for your framework anyway and
> to check that it can really do all those things, but I'm afraid it won't get
> it covered in the book. (although I will be naming some notable alternative
> choice such as Rosetta in the last few paragraphs) Again, sorry about that,
> but attempting to cover everything would be madness.

I quite understand.  And good luck to you on the book project.

Even a mention in the printed book is very much appreciated.  Please let 
me know if there is anything about it you don't understand, so to make 
sure that any mention of it is factual.

I look forward to a 3rd edition of the advanced perl book, by which time 
Rosetta et al should be relatively mature and well known.

> I've had to do this with templating toolkits too, and doubtless I've already
> offended someone by my selection there as well.

Well, this is a limit of a printed book.

Perhaps you could mention in the book that an expanded version of those 
chapters is available on the O'reilly website, and anyone who missed out 
getting in the book can have equivalent info there in the electronic 
appendicies.

-- Darren Duncan