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From: Mark B. <mb...@Ch...> - 2005-01-13 21:48:18
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The Wisconsin User Group Steering comity Just recently ask our District Sales Manager this NI Visa question. He did some research and replied with this response. Good afternoon all, The $395 NI-VISA license is only applicable if you are building your own hardware and would like to use the NI-VISA layer. Today, our licensing policy DOES NOT require a customer to pay a licensing fee for NI-VISA if the deployment target contains NI hardware or software written using NI development software. In the scenario where you have a LabVIEW VI or EXE talking on a built-in serial port, National Instruments allows the first 10 distributions for free and after that we require a licensing fee. We are about to change our licensing policy to allow up to 100 distributions per application for free and after that require a license. So the short story is that if you are an end-user or alliance member, this is a non-issue and NI-VISA will continue to be free. Thank you, Adam Sweet Mark Balla Sr. Test Engineer Cherry Electrical Products 11200 88th Ave. Pleasant Prairie, WI 53158-0913 Phone: 262-942-6420 Cell: 847-721-2047 Fax: 262-942-6411 Email mb...@ch... -----Original Message----- From: John Brohan [mailto:jb...@Tr...] Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 1:06 PM To: ope...@li... Subject: Re: OpenG Serial drivers Hi Jim Thanks for your offer, I have LV 6.1 and I'd like to try to get some royalty free Serial drivers written! How do I start? Yours Sincerely John Jim Kring wrote: > John, > > OpenG is a great forum work on such a thing. I can help you get a project > started. > > -Jim > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: ope...@li... >>[mailto:ope...@li...] >>On Behalf Of John Brohan >>Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 3:17 AM >>To: ope...@li... >>Subject: OpenG Serial drivers >> >>Hello >>There has recently been some discussion in info-Labview about >>a royalty >>free serial functionality in LabVIEW. I would be interested >>in working >>on this. There are already some libraries available, posted >>by others on >>the web in different places. I am interested in working on this. Is >>OpenG a suitable forum for this task? How do I set about it? >> >>Yours Sincerely >>John >>-- >>John Brohan National Instruments LabVIEW expert in Montreal >>Traders Micro "We connect all sorts of things to computers" >>317 Barberry Place DDO Montreal PQ Canada H9G 1V3 Tel (514)995-3749 >>jb...@Tr... http://www.TradersMicro.com >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------- >>The SF.Net email is sponsored by: Beat the post-holiday blues >>Get a FREE limited edition SourceForge.net t-shirt from ThinkGeek. >>It's fun and FREE -- well, almost....http://www.thinkgeek.com/sfshirt >>_______________________________________________ >>OpenGToolkit-Developers mailing list >>Ope...@li... >>https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opengtoolkit-developers >> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > The SF.Net email is sponsored by: Beat the post-holiday blues > Get a FREE limited edition SourceForge.net t-shirt from ThinkGeek. > It's fun and FREE -- well, almost....http://www.thinkgeek.com/sfshirt > _______________________________________________ > OpenGToolkit-Developers mailing list > Ope...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opengtoolkit-developers > -- John Brohan National Instruments LabVIEW expert in Montreal Traders Micro "We connect all sorts of things to computers" 317 Barberry Place DDO Montreal PQ Canada H9G 1V3 Tel (514)995-3749 jb...@Tr... http://www.TradersMicro.com ------------------------------------------------------- The SF.Net email is sponsored by: Beat the post-holiday blues Get a FREE limited edition SourceForge.net t-shirt from ThinkGeek. It's fun and FREE -- well, almost....http://www.thinkgeek.com/sfshirt _______________________________________________ OpenGToolkit-Developers mailing list Ope...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opengtoolkit-developers The information contained in this e-mail is confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copy or use of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately at the e-mail address above and delete the original message. Thank you. |
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From: <Dou...@mk...> - 2005-01-14 21:50:02
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Folks, here is some more confirmation and information on this topic from our local NI field engineer, Steve Schiffhauer. In the interest of brevity and clarity I have omitted the intervening series of e-mails between Matt Dennie (who also works at MKS), Steve, and myself. Doug Femec ----- Forwarded by Doug Femec/US/MKS on 01/14/2005 04:33 PM ----- Matt & Doug, Sorry for 2 e-mails here. (I didn't see Matt's second e-mail) The Product Manager told me that by the end on next month, this will all be documented on a web page for customers. He understood the confusion in our current licenses and as part of this 10 free to 100 free licensing change, he is moving to better document our policies for both internal and external customers. Steve ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Schiffhauer Field Engineer National Instruments 3177 Latta Rd #322 Rochester, NY 14612 (585) 723-2005 ste...@ni... ----- Forwarded by Doug Femec/US/MKS on 01/14/2005 04:33 PM ----- Doug, I just spoke to the Product Manager for GPIB, VISA, etc last night. He confirmed what this e-mail said. The first 100 installations are free. Steve ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Schiffhauer Field Engineer National Instruments 3177 Latta Rd #322 Rochester, NY 14612 (585) 723-2005 ste...@ni... |---------+---------------------------------------------------> | | "Mark Balla" <mb...@Ch...> | | | Sent by: | | | ope...@li...ur| | | ceforge.net | | | | | | | | | 01/13/2005 04:47 PM | | | Please respond to | | | opengtoolkit-developers | | | | |---------+---------------------------------------------------> >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: "'ope...@li...'" | | <ope...@li...> | | cc: "Adam. Sweet (E-mail)" <ada...@ni...> | | Subject: RE: OpenG Serial drivers | >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| The Wisconsin User Group Steering comity Just recently ask our District Sales Manager this NI Visa question. He did some research and replied with this response. Good afternoon all, The $395 NI-VISA license is only applicable if you are building your own hardware and would like to use the NI-VISA layer. Today, our licensing policy DOES NOT require a customer to pay a licensing fee for NI-VISA if the deployment target contains NI hardware or software written using NI development software. In the scenario where you have a LabVIEW VI or EXE talking on a built-in serial port, National Instruments allows the first 10 distributions for free and after that we require a licensing fee. We are about to change our licensing policy to allow up to 100 distributions per application for free and after that require a license. So the short story is that if you are an end-user or alliance member, this is a non-issue and NI-VISA will continue to be free. Thank you, Adam Sweet Mark Balla Sr. Test Engineer Cherry Electrical Products 11200 88th Ave. Pleasant Prairie, WI 53158-0913 Phone: 262-942-6420 Cell: 847-721-2047 Fax: 262-942-6411 Email mb...@ch... This e-mail is intended solely for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential information. Any review, dissemination, copying, printing or other use of this e-mail by persons or entities other than the addressee is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from any computer. |
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From: Jean-Pierre D. <jea...@tr...> - 2005-01-14 00:36:50
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RE: OpenG Serial driversDoes that mean that each license fee allows for 1=
0 more distributions? That $40 figure is what I recall from
previous discussions.
Jean-Pierre Drolet
----- Message d'origine -----=20
De : Mark Balla
=C0 : 'ope...@li...'
Cc : Adam. Sweet (E-mail)
Envoy=E9 : 13 janvier, 2005 16:47
Objet : RE: OpenG Serial drivers
The Wisconsin User Group Steering comity Just recently ask our District S=
ales Manager this NI Visa question.
He did some research and replied with this response.
Good afternoon all,
The $395 NI-VISA license is only applicable if you are building your own
hardware and would like to use the NI-VISA layer.
Today, our licensing policy DOES NOT require a customer to pay a licensin=
g
fee for NI-VISA if the deployment target contains NI hardware or software
written using NI development software. In the scenario where you have a
LabVIEW VI or EXE talking on a built-in serial port, National Instruments
allows the first 10 distributions for free and after that we require a
licensing fee. We are about to change our licensing policy to allow up t=
o
100 distributions per application for free and after that require a
license.
So the short story is that if you are an end-user or alliance member, thi=
s
is a non-issue and NI-VISA will continue to be free.
Thank you,
Adam Sweet
Mark Balla
Sr. Test Engineer
Cherry Electrical Products
11200 88th Ave.
Pleasant Prairie, WI
53158-0913
Phone: 262-942-6420
Cell: 847-721-2047
Fax: 262-942-6411
Email mb...@ch...
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From: Martin H. <mar...@mh...> - 2005-01-14 10:18:28
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Hi Mark, Mark Balla wrote: > The Wisconsin User Group Steering comity Just recently ask our District > Sales Manager this NI Visa question. > He did some research and replied with this response. [...] > Today, our licensing policy DOES NOT require a customer to pay a licensing > fee for NI-VISA if the deployment target contains NI hardware or software > written using NI development software. In the scenario where you have a > LabVIEW VI or EXE talking on a built-in serial port, National Instruments > allows the first 10 distributions for free and after that we require a > licensing fee. We are about to change our licensing policy to allow up to > 100 distributions per application for free and after that require a > license. [...] Oh yes, i know that, but have you read the licence agreements? I only found that NI supplies different licence agreements on their FTP server, all targeting NI-VISA. I havn't read them all, but up to now I did't find anything about 10 or 100 free installations. For me it is actually unclear - which of the licence agreements have to be used (for which labview version or for which hardware or whatever). - where the licence agreement is which correctly and clearly explains how many installations can be used. - how a developer should be able to ensure that only the number of allowed installations ere exists in the world. - where is clearly explained under what circumstances a developer can distribute the VISA runtime installer. (only when creating an installer with LabVIEW7 as explained in one of the licences? - what is with LV 5, 6, 6.1 and 7.1?) - If NI changes the licencing issue, whats about older versions/installations. ... I can understand NI, that they wants to mainly support their hardware and I also understand, that they would have a fee if anyone is using their software without using their hardware. That's not the topic here - but we all have paid for LabVIEW and we all should be able to use the basics of our PC and operating system (which we also have paid for). -- 73 de Martin, DL5NAH |
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From: Michael A. <mic...@im...> - 2005-01-14 13:25:32
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Martin outlines a lot of good concerns below. NI's rep, Adam Sweet, said:=
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"The $395 NI-VISA license is only applicable if you are building your own h=
ardware and would like to use the NI-VISA layer."
... In the scenario where you have a LabVIEW VI or EXE talking on a built-i=
n serial port, NI allows the first 10 distributions for free and after that=
we require a licensing fee. We are about to change our licensing policy t=
o allow up to 100 distributions per application for free and after that req=
uire a license.
So the short story is that if you are an end-user or alliance member, this
is a non-issue and NI-VISA will continue to be free."
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So what about if we are just trying to support a new application, to which =
anyone can connect serial (or VXI/GPIB, ie, VISA instruments) and we do not=
manufacture hardware? And I second the issue with how do we maintain contr=
ol over how many copies are out there? With Open Source tools and applicati=
ons we obviously want there to be as many copies out in the wild as possibl=
e.
It seems to me that this scenario is exactly what NI was targeting when the=
y implemented NISLA clause 1.E. to try to limit applications that:
<PARAPHRASE>"replace, by themselves or *in combination with other component=
s* the software or [other NI tools]" </PARAPHRASE>
I guess the bottom line is that we need an open source serial and/or VISA a=
nd even if NI allows 100 (or 1000) copies that we still won't be out from u=
nderneath the licensing issues.
Mike Ashe
---- ope...@li... wrote:
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> Hi Mark,
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> Mark Balla wrote:
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> > The Wisconsin User Group Steering comity Just recently ask our District
> > Sales Manager this NI Visa question.
> > He did some research and replied with this response.
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> [...]
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> > Today, our licensing policy DOES NOT require a customer to pay a licens=
ing
> > fee for NI-VISA if the deployment target contains NI hardware or softwa=
re
> > written using NI development software. In the scenario where you have a
> > LabVIEW VI or EXE talking on a built-in serial port, National Instrumen=
ts
> > allows the first 10 distributions for free and after that we require a
> > licensing fee. We are about to change our licensing policy to allow up=
to
> > 100 distributions per application for free and after that require a
> > license.
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> [...]
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> Oh yes, i know that, but have you read the licence
> agreements? I only found that NI supplies different licence
> agreements on their FTP server, all targeting NI-VISA. I
> havn't read them all, but up to now I did't find anything
> about 10 or 100 free installations.
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> For me it is actually unclear
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> - which of the licence agreements have to be used (for which
> labview version or for which hardware or whatever).
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> - where the licence agreement is which correctly and clearly
> explains how many installations can be used.
>=20
> - how a developer should be able to ensure that only the
> number of allowed installations ere exists in the world.
>=20
> - where is clearly explained under what circumstances a
> developer can distribute the VISA runtime installer. (only
> when creating an installer with LabVIEW7 as explained in one
> of the licences? - what is with LV 5, 6, 6.1 and 7.1?)
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> - If NI changes the licencing issue, whats about older
> versions/installations.
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> ...
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> I can understand NI, that they wants to mainly support their
> hardware and I also understand, that they would have a fee
> if anyone is using their software without using their
> hardware. That's not the topic here - but we all have paid
> for LabVIEW and we all should be able to use the basics of
> our PC and operating system (which we also have paid for).
>=20
> 73 de Martin, DL5NAH
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