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"Classic Controls" package

[Jim K. <ji...@ji...>]

Hello All,

I have an idea I want to bounce off of the group.

Personally I like to use Classic (2D) Controls for all non-GUI VIs, and
think that this should be part of the "OpenG Style" of coding.  The =
reason
for using 2D Controls is related mostly to performance and memory =
issues,
but I also think that they simply look much "cleaner".  So, I have =
created a
package called "ogrsc_classic_controls".  It is an add-on for the =
Dynamic
Palette View.  What it does is the following:  For each of the 3D =
controls
menus it adds the corresponding 2D controls menu as a submenu.  For =
example,
the Classic (2D) Numeric Controls menu is added as a submenu of the 3D
Numeric Controls.  To me, this seams like a more natural route, for =
getting
to classic controls, than having to go in to the root classic controls
submenu and then navigating to the control type I need.

Any thoughts?

BTW, the "classic_controls" package is a good example of the flexibility
provided by the Dynamic Palette View.

-Jim

Re: "Classic Controls" package

[Niels H. <ni...@ha...>]

Jim,

I certainnly agree with you,- espicially relating to the OpenG Style.

However, I'd preferred that it was the other way round: Having the 2D 
controls in the main entry and the 3D controls as a sub menu. You're 
actually creating quite a lot more non-GUI windows than GUI windows!

BTW the 'Complete Waveform' control has a bad linkage in 'Numeric'-> 
'Classic Numeric'!

Just my $0.02.

All the best
Niels

RE: "Classic Controls" package

[Jim K. <ji...@ji...>]

Niels,

>=20
> Jim,
>=20
> I certainnly agree with you,- espicially relating to the OpenG Style.
>=20
> However, I'd preferred that it was the other way round: Having the 2D
> controls in the main entry and the 3D controls as a sub menu. You're=20
> actually creating quite a lot more non-GUI windows than GUI windows!
>=20

You're right!  Hmmm... Well, the original idea for the Dynamic Palette =
View
was that it was going to be just like the "default/advanced" Palette =
View,
but with the palettes, synch'ed to specific folders.  However, I really =
like
your idea.  The problem is that I think that this would create quite a =
bit
of work.  I'll have to think about that one, for a little while.  I am =
also
hesitant to change the Dynamic Palette View to a 2D controls because I =
don't
want to turn off users who are not OpenG Developers and really like the
super cool 3D controls ;-)  It would be great if there were a really =
easy
way to allow users to choose between 3D and 2D controls as the root =
controls
palette of the Dynamic Palette View.

>=20
> BTW the 'Complete Waveform' control has a bad linkage in 'Numeric'->=20
> 'Classic Numeric'!
>=20

Actually, I don't think that there is such a thing as 'Complete =
Waveform'
(any more).  The numeric controls palette links to this missing control =
but
the ./menus/default/readonly.txt file prevents the question mark from
appearing in the palette.  I haven't yet decided if I want to delete =
this
dead-link or just make it disappear with a readonly.txt file.  I'll fix =
this
before the official release of 'Classic Controls'.

> Just my $0.02.
>=20
> All the best
> Niels
>=20

Regards,

-Jim

RE: "Classic Controls" package

[Jim K. <ji...@ji...>]

Niels and All,

I have figured out a solution.  The Dynamic Palette View package now
installs two palette views: "Dynamic Palette View" and "2D Dynamic =
Palette
View".  The 2D Dynamic Palette View is identical to the Dynamic Palette
View, with the exception that the Controls palette has Classic (2D) =
controls
submenus and has a submenu called "3D Controls", which contains all of =
the
3D controls.

The "2D Dynamic Palette View" (./menus/2ddynamic/) contains only two mnu
files (root.mnu and 3dctrls.mnu) which link to mnu files in the Dynamic
Palette View  (./menus/dynamic/), so there is virtually no duplication =
of
work in supporting the additional palette view.

I have released ogrsc_dynamicpalette-0.6-1.ogp, which includes the 2D
Dynamic Palette View.  This package is part of =
all_packages-2.0.5.ogp.zip.

<http://sourceforge.net/projects/opengtoolkit/>

I'll update the OpenG Toolkit Downloads page on OpenG.org with =
instructions
that include the 2D Dynamic Palette View.

<http://www.openg.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DOpenG+Toolkit%3A+Downloa=
ds>

Regards,

-Jim

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ope...@li...=20
> [mailto:ope...@li...]=20
> On Behalf Of Jim Kring
> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 10:45 AM
> To: ope...@li...
> Subject: RE: "Classic Controls" package
>=20
>=20
> Niels,
>=20
> >=20
> > Jim,
> >=20
> > I certainnly agree with you,- espicially relating to the=20
> OpenG Style.
> >=20
> > However, I'd preferred that it was the other way round:=20
> Having the 2D=20
> > controls in the main entry and the 3D controls as a sub=20
> menu. You're=20
> > actually creating quite a lot more non-GUI windows than GUI windows!
> >=20
>=20
> You're right!  Hmmm... Well, the original idea for the=20
> Dynamic Palette View was that it was going to be just like=20
> the "default/advanced" Palette View, but with the palettes,=20
> synch'ed to specific folders.  However, I really like your=20
> idea.  The problem is that I think that this would create=20
> quite a bit of work.  I'll have to think about that one, for=20
> a little while.  I am also hesitant to change the Dynamic=20
> Palette View to a 2D controls because I don't want to turn=20
> off users who are not OpenG Developers and really like the=20
> super cool 3D controls ;-)  It would be great if there were a=20
> really easy way to allow users to choose between 3D and 2D=20
> controls as the root controls palette of the Dynamic Palette View.
>=20
> >=20
> > BTW the 'Complete Waveform' control has a bad linkage in 'Numeric'->
> > 'Classic Numeric'!
> >=20
>=20
> Actually, I don't think that there is such a thing as=20
> 'Complete Waveform'
> (any more).  The numeric controls palette links to this=20
> missing control but
> the ./menus/default/readonly.txt file prevents the question mark from
> appearing in the palette.  I haven't yet decided if I want to=20
> delete this
> dead-link or just make it disappear with a readonly.txt file.=20
>  I'll fix this
> before the official release of 'Classic Controls'.
>=20
> > Just my $0.02.
> >=20
> > All the best
> > Niels
> >=20
>=20
> Regards,
>=20
> -Jim
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
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RE: "Classic Controls" package

[Niels H. <ni...@ha...>]

Jim,

Thanks a lot. The "2D Dynamic Palette" view is exactly how I normally have 
my controls palette set-up.

It's is really neat.

All the best
Niels

At 10:13 16-11-2003 -0800, you wrote:
>Niels and All,
>
>I have figured out a solution.  The Dynamic Palette View package now
>installs two palette views: "Dynamic Palette View" and "2D Dynamic Palette
>View".  The 2D Dynamic Palette View is identical to the Dynamic Palette
>View, with the exception that the Controls palette has Classic (2D) controls
>submenus and has a submenu called "3D Controls", which contains all of the
>3D controls.
>
>The "2D Dynamic Palette View" (./menus/2ddynamic/) contains only two mnu
>files (root.mnu and 3dctrls.mnu) which link to mnu files in the Dynamic
>Palette View  (./menus/dynamic/), so there is virtually no duplication of
>work in supporting the additional palette view.
>
>I have released ogrsc_dynamicpalette-0.6-1.ogp, which includes the 2D
>Dynamic Palette View.  This package is part of all_packages-2.0.5.ogp.zip.
>
><http://sourceforge.net/projects/opengtoolkit/>
>
>I'll update the OpenG Toolkit Downloads page on OpenG.org with instructions
>that include the 2D Dynamic Palette View.
>
><http://www.openg.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=OpenG+Toolkit%3A+Downloads>
>
>Regards,
>
>-Jim
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ope...@li...
> > [mailto:ope...@li...]
> > On Behalf Of Jim Kring
> > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 10:45 AM
> > To: ope...@li...
> > Subject: RE: "Classic Controls" package
> >
> >
> > Niels,
> >
> > >
> > > Jim,
> > >
> > > I certainnly agree with you,- espicially relating to the
> > OpenG Style.
> > >
> > > However, I'd preferred that it was the other way round:
> > Having the 2D
> > > controls in the main entry and the 3D controls as a sub
> > menu. You're
> > > actually creating quite a lot more non-GUI windows than GUI windows!
> > >
> >
> > You're right!  Hmmm... Well, the original idea for the
> > Dynamic Palette View was that it was going to be just like
> > the "default/advanced" Palette View, but with the palettes,
> > synch'ed to specific folders.  However, I really like your
> > idea.  The problem is that I think that this would create
> > quite a bit of work.  I'll have to think about that one, for
> > a little while.  I am also hesitant to change the Dynamic
> > Palette View to a 2D controls because I don't want to turn
> > off users who are not OpenG Developers and really like the
> > super cool 3D controls ;-)  It would be great if there were a
> > really easy way to allow users to choose between 3D and 2D
> > controls as the root controls palette of the Dynamic Palette View.
> >
> > >
> > > BTW the 'Complete Waveform' control has a bad linkage in 'Numeric'->
> > > 'Classic Numeric'!
> > >
> >
> > Actually, I don't think that there is such a thing as
> > 'Complete Waveform'
> > (any more).  The numeric controls palette links to this
> > missing control but
> > the ./menus/default/readonly.txt file prevents the question mark from
> > appearing in the palette.  I haven't yet decided if I want to
> > delete this
> > dead-link or just make it disappear with a readonly.txt file.
> >  I'll fix this
> > before the official release of 'Classic Controls'.
> >
> > > Just my $0.02.
> > >
> > > All the best
> > > Niels
> > >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -Jim
> >
> >
> >
> >
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All the best
Niels