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From: James S. <ja...@di...> - 2002-05-04 11:31:23
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>Yeah, but if we send source code then we need to include difficult to >use, professional compilers. Joe User doesn't like that... Does this mean people are considering *not* putting the source on the disk? I think not having it is not a good idea. It's open source stuff, so why not have the source? Even if it's not anywhere in the menu except for a line of text saying something like "And all the sourcecode is available in the source folder". |
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From: Alex R. <tun...@pa...> - 2002-05-05 02:15:24
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James Shuttleworth wrote: > > >Yeah, but if we send source code then we need to include difficult to > >use, professional compilers. Joe User doesn't like that... > > Does this mean people are considering *not* putting the source on the disk? > > I think not having it is not a good idea. It's open source stuff, so why > not have the source? Even if it's not anywhere in the menu except for a > line of text saying something like "And all the sourcecode is available in > the source folder". Sounds lovely to me. Most Linux distros don't say much more than that. It keeps the whole thing PC, and everyone's happy. Alex |
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From: Toby I. <to...@go...> - 2002-05-05 18:29:05
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On Sat, 04 May 2002 12:33:10 +0100
James Shuttleworth <ja...@di...> wrote:
JS> Does this mean people are considering *not* putting the source on
JS> the disk? I think not having it is not a good idea.
ISO (binaries): 200MB
ISO (binaries + source): 500MB
Chances of average Windows user wanting the source: 2000-to-1.
I think putting the source on the CDs is a terrible idea.
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From: Martin S. <bud...@bu...> - 2002-05-05 18:41:32
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On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 08:30:07PM +0100, Toby Inkster wrote: > On Sat, 04 May 2002 12:33:10 +0100 > James Shuttleworth <ja...@di...> wrote: > > JS> Does this mean people are considering *not* putting the source on > JS> the disk? I think not having it is not a good idea. > > ISO (binaries): 200MB > ISO (binaries + source): 500MB > Chances of average Windows user wanting the source: 2000-to-1. > > I think putting the source on the CDs is a terrible idea. I would agree, however it wouldn't hurt to put a link to the relevant website for each application if we can incorporate some sort of README in each of the Applications directory, or if we chose to go the route of an installer program rather than a HTML index as would seem to be the case due to not being able to launch installers from any other browser than IE. Can the project leader make a summary of where we are up to and what are the next landmarks, so we can all start to pull in the right direction. Martin Stevens > > -- > Toby A Inkster, Esq. ~ http://www.goddamn.co.uk/tobyink/ > mailto:tobyink<at>goddamn.co.uk ~ gpg:0x5274FE5A > jabber:tobyink<at>amessage.de ~ icq:6622880 ~ aim:inka80 ~ yahoo:tobyink > > In a Norwegian cocktail lounge: Ladies are requested not to have > children in the bar. -- Budgester Technologies Ltd Office : 01992 718568 Mobile : 07815 982380 mailto:ma...@bu... http://www.budgester.com |
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From: Henrik N. O. <h....@bt...> - 2002-05-05 18:59:35
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On Sun, 2002-05-05 at 19:41, Martin Stevens wrote: > > Can the project leader make a summary of where we are up to and what > are the next landmarks, so we can all start to pull in the right > direction. > I'm not sure we have a single project leader :), but one central person (in this case me) has written a newsletter in an attempt to sumarize things. See theopencd.org - Henrik -- Henrik Nilsen Omma Theoretical Physics, Oxford 35 Frenchay Road 1 Keble Road Oxford OX2 6TG Oxford OX1 3NP h....@bt... he...@th... |
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From: Martin S. <bud...@bu...> - 2002-05-05 22:47:09
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On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 07:54:09PM +0100, Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: > On Sun, 2002-05-05 at 19:41, Martin Stevens wrote: > > > > Can the project leader make a summary of where we are up to and what > > are the next landmarks, so we can all start to pull in the right > > direction. > > > I'm not sure we have a single project leader :), but one central person > (in this case me) has written a newsletter in an attempt to sumarize > things. See theopencd.org D'oh Reminder to self, must read website and related material before posting :-) > > - Henrik > > -- > > Henrik Nilsen Omma Theoretical Physics, Oxford > 35 Frenchay Road 1 Keble Road > Oxford OX2 6TG Oxford OX1 3NP > h....@bt... he...@th... > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > Have big pipes? SourceForge.net is looking for download mirrors. We supply > the hardware. You get the recognition. Email Us: ban...@so... > _______________________________________________ > Opencd-devel mailing list > Ope...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opencd-devel > -- Budgester Technologies Ltd Office : 01992 718568 Mobile : 07815 982380 mailto:ma...@bu... http://www.budgester.com |
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From: Henrik N. O. <h....@bt...> - 2002-05-05 18:52:40
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On Sun, 2002-05-05 at 20:30, Toby Inkster wrote: > On Sat, 04 May 2002 12:33:10 +0100 > James Shuttleworth <ja...@di...> wrote: > > JS> Does this mean people are considering *not* putting the source on > JS> the disk? I think not having it is not a good idea. > > ISO (binaries): 200MB > ISO (binaries + source): 500MB > Chances of average Windows user wanting the source: 2000-to-1. I agree. Once more OSS is ported to win32 then there certainly wont be space. Let's just set it up as 2 CDs from the start. One with hyper-friendly apps and installer, and one with source and devel tools - The OpecCD development companion CD (?) Many Linux distros are doing this, so were not being unorthodox. There is another point: 200MB is twice as fast to download and twice as fast to burn as 400MB. This is an advantage for those with slow lines, AND if you making copies for your 50 nearest friends it saves lots of time. The app CD will be distributed 50 times more often than the development/source one, so this is a considerable saving. There was a suggestion for having different flavors. My (revised) oppinion: We can have these flavors: Home - includes games Education - learning tools Office (no back office) These will have much overlap, and all should have certain core apps. OR, we can have 4 buttons as the first menu on the installer, giving a choice of the 3 categories and "Entire CD" I suggest we go with the second option for the first few CDs to keep it simple, and because the total is still only ~200-300MB. Then we can splitt it up later. - Henrik > > I think putting the source on the CDs is a terrible idea. > > -- > Toby A Inkster, Esq. ~ http://www.goddamn.co.uk/tobyink/ > mailto:tobyink<at>goddamn.co.uk ~ gpg:0x5274FE5A > jabber:tobyink<at>amessage.de ~ icq:6622880 ~ aim:inka80 ~ yahoo:tobyink > > In a Norwegian cocktail lounge: Ladies are requested not to have > children in the bar. -- Henrik Nilsen Omma Theoretical Physics, Oxford 35 Frenchay Road 1 Keble Road Oxford OX2 6TG Oxford OX1 3NP h....@bt... he...@th... |
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From: Steve M. <st...@op...> - 2002-05-05 19:31:06
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> There is another point: 200MB is twice as fast to download and twice as > fast to burn as 400MB. This is an advantage for those with slow lines, > AND if you making copies for your 50 nearest friends it saves lots of > time. The app CD will be distributed 50 times more often than the > development/source one, so this is a considerable saving. I'd like to humbly change my mind on this issue. Increasing the chance of redistribution is key. Shrinking the CD size for burning and or increasing the number of "stable/working" apps should be high on the list of priorities. That being said, it should promenanty be displayed in the GUI that 'you can get the source... here, here, and here...." & someone had best be in charge of making sure those sites don't go down due to neglect, waning interest, or any other reason. Providing this access could be tough. Does this exist for anyone now? -- Steve Mallett | http://OSDir.org - Just Stable, Open Source Apps st...@op... | web...@op... http://open5ource.net <personal> "To use Linux without criticizing it is to betray it." -Clay Shirky |
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From: Tom P. <tp...@xt...> - 2002-05-05 19:44:32
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Hi, I'm a win32 programmer and a linux user ;-). I've been following the list for a last few days, but, thought I should just introduce myself. If there is any work needed to be done on the installer, or any apps you need coded, I'd be happy to give it a go. Same goes for any graphics you need doing. Well thats my bit, Tom. |
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From: Toby I. <ta...@do...> - 2002-05-05 19:15:35
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On 05 May 2002 19:47:13 +0100
Henrik Nilsen Omma <h....@bt...> wrote:
HNO> > ISO (binaries): 200MB
HNO> > ISO (binaries + source): 500MB
HNO> > Chances of average Windows user wanting the source: 2000-to-1.
HNO>
HNO> I agree. Once more OSS is ported to win32 then there certainly wont
HNO> be space. Let's just set it up as 2 CDs from the start.
Re-reading, I didn't make my point very clearly.
What I meant was that including the source would more than double the size of the CD, so it's probably a bad idea to include it at all. Far better to link to the source from our website.
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From: Henrik N. O. <h....@bt...> - 2002-05-05 20:12:23
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On Sun, 2002-05-05 at 21:16, Toby Inkster wrote: > On 05 May 2002 19:47:13 +0100 > Henrik Nilsen Omma <h....@bt...> wrote: > > HNO> > ISO (binaries): 200MB > HNO> > ISO (binaries + source): 500MB > HNO> > Chances of average Windows user wanting the source: 2000-to-1. > HNO> > HNO> I agree. Once more OSS is ported to win32 then there certainly wont > HNO> be space. Let's just set it up as 2 CDs from the start. > > Re-reading, I didn't make my point very clearly. > > What I meant was that including the source would more than double the size of the CD, so it's probably a bad idea to include it at all. Far better to link to the source from our website. Ok, I think we're nearing agreement on this point. We seem to agree that the source should _not_ be on the main CD for several good reasons. The remaining disagrement is a minor one. I see 3 options: 1) We simply link places where the source can be obtained, from the CD and from our web page 2) We store the source at our own web site in individual zip files, one for each app, and link to these. 3) We can do 1., 2. and make an ISO with these source files, so that people can burn it and distribute it easily. All of these meet the Licence requirements (I think), but if we chose only #1, we might be seen as not pulling our weight, by telling people to use the bandwith of the devel teams to get the source. - Henrik -- Henrik Nilsen Omma Theoretical Physics, Oxford 35 Frenchay Road 1 Keble Road Oxford OX2 6TG Oxford OX1 3NP h....@bt... he...@th... |
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From: James S. <ja...@di...> - 2002-05-05 22:50:06
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At 09:06 PM 05/05/2002, someone wrote: >We seem to agree that the source should _not_ be on the main CD for >several good reasons. The remaining disagrement is a minor one. OK OK. I'm convinced. It must be a high priority to have the source available somewhere though (which has been said). Nice to see open discussion about open source :) |
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