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[Opencd-devel] Source

[Imran G. <im...@bi...>]

How are we going to satisfy our obligation to distribute the source under
GPL, are we going to include it (and thereby half the amount of stuff we
can get on the CD) or offer it seperately ?

Imran
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[Opencd-devel] Source

[Imran G. <im...@bi...>]

I think what we should do is have two ISOs available.

ISO 1:

Would just have the binaries

ISO 2: 

Would have binaries + source

That way people who want to distributed a CD with source can do it, but
the vast majority of people who don't want source will only have to
download an ISO half the size.

Imran
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Re: [Opencd-devel] Source

[Toby I. <to...@go...>]

On Fri, 3 May 2002 00:47:42 +0100 (BST)
Imran Ghory <im...@bi...> wrote:

IG> How are we going to satisfy our obligation to distribute the source
IG> under GPL, are we going to include it (and thereby half the amount of
IG> stuff we can get on the CD) or offer it seperately ?

We offer it as tarballs/ZIP files on the website. The *vast* majority of people using the CD are not going to want the source code. The majority probably aren't going to know what source code even is.

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Re: [Opencd-devel] Source

[David I. <ill...@bi...>]

Do *we* even need to host it. If we are just re-distributing binaries,
can we not just point the user to whatever mechanism e.g. mozilla.org
has for getting source? I FULLY support source code distribution, but
this would probably be the easiest way for all concerned and might save
a fair bit of bandwidth that could be offloaded to the project which may
benefit from its use.

Just a suggestion.

David

On Fri, 2002-05-03 at 09:00, Toby Inkster wrote:
> On Fri, 3 May 2002 00:47:42 +0100 (BST)
> Imran Ghory <im...@bi...> wrote:
> 
> IG> How are we going to satisfy our obligation to distribute the source
> IG> under GPL, are we going to include it (and thereby half the amount of
> IG> stuff we can get on the CD) or offer it seperately ?
> 
> We offer it as tarballs/ZIP files on the website. The *vast* majority of people using the CD are not going to want the source code. The majority probably aren't going to know what source code even is.
> 
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> 
> In a Zurich hotel: Because of the impropriety of entertaining guests
> of the opposite sex in the bedroom, it is suggested that the lobby be
> used for this purpose.

Re: [Opencd-devel] Source

[Steve M. <st...@op...>]

On Friday 03 May 2002 05:00 am, Toby Inkster wrote:
> On Fri, 3 May 2002 00:47:42 +0100 (BST)
> Imran Ghory <im...@bi...> wrote:
>
> IG> How are we going to satisfy our obligation to distribute the source
> IG> under GPL, are we going to include it (and thereby half the amount of
> IG> stuff we can get on the CD) or offer it seperately ?
>
> We offer it as tarballs/ZIP files on the website. The *vast* majority of
> people using the CD are not going to want the source code. The majority
> probably aren't going to know what source code even is.

That may or may not be true.  People who have vast computer experience (IT 
depts) may have just the excuse they were looking for to install one of these 
apps.  Imagine the impact....  Timmy installs Mozilla, plays with it, likes 
it.  Conclusion:  This really is good stuff.  "Source code?  They don't 
really do that, that's crazy."  Timmy surfs the CD.  Holy Mackeral!  They 
really do distribute the source.  Let's go that extra yard & hammer what 
we're all about home.

I'd suggest, in my limited experience, that we take a 700M CD, cram it with 
useful apps & IF there is space left on the CD we put the src on it.  Once 
there are enough (and their may be now) apps on the CD that it is full we 
move the src code to a website.
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Re: [Opencd-devel] Source

[Henrik N. O. <h....@bt...>]

On Fri, 2002-05-03 at 00:08, Steve Mallett wrote:
> On Friday 03 May 2002 05:00 am, Toby Inkster wrote:
> > On Fri, 3 May 2002 00:47:42 +0100 (BST)
> > Imran Ghory <im...@bi...> wrote:
> >
> > IG> How are we going to satisfy our obligation to distribute the source
> > IG> under GPL, are we going to include it (and thereby half the amount of
> > IG> stuff we can get on the CD) or offer it seperately ?
> >
> > We offer it as tarballs/ZIP files on the website. The *vast* majority of
> > people using the CD are not going to want the source code. The majority
> > probably aren't going to know what source code even is.
> 
> That may or may not be true.  People who have vast computer experience (IT 
> depts) may have just the excuse they were looking for to install one of these 
> apps.  Imagine the impact....  Timmy installs Mozilla, plays with it, likes 
> it.  Conclusion:  This really is good stuff.  "Source code?  They don't 
> really do that, that's crazy."  Timmy surfs the CD.  Holy Mackeral!  They 
> really do distribute the source.  Let's go that extra yard & hammer what 
> we're all about home.
> 
> I'd suggest, in my limited experience, that we take a 700M CD, cram it with 
> useful apps & IF there is space left on the CD we put the src on it.  Once 
> there are enough (and their may be now) apps on the CD that it is full we 
> move the src code to a website.

First of all, I don't think we shuld cram in 700MB.  We should follow
very strict criteria for quality, which at the moment only gives us
about 200MB I would think.  

Even so, I'm inclined to agree with Toby, that the source doesn't need
to go on (it's not required by GPL either).  The person who wants to
play with it can find it online.  For the rest, we should consider
making a section "What is source?" 

The only important reason I can see for including all the source is for
distribution to places like India, where there may not always be
internet available, and it would be great to start some 12 year old off
hacking his way out of poverty.  Even then I think it might be better
with a companion CD with all the source and devel tools.  We'll have to
go that route once the CD bis over half full anyway.

- Henrik

btw: lets take such discussions to the forum at opensourceware.net, it
doesn't really pertain to installer development.

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Re: [Opencd-devel] Source

[<j_a...@ya...>]

> > We offer it as tarballs/ZIP files on the website.
> The *vast* majority of
> > people using the CD are not going to want the
> source code. The majority
> > probably aren't going to know what source code
> even is.

Perhaps, but I would. If I was looking to get, say, a
copy of OpenOffice for Linux, I'd find someone who has
it on CD because it would take days to download it via
a modem. The source code effectively makes the CD
multi-platform. Linux users aren't going to be scared
by typing './configure && make && make install'. 
Including the windows binaries _and_ the
multi-platform source means that you could hand the CD
over to anyone and it would appeal to both the newbies
and the experienced on a multitude of platforms.

> I'd suggest, in my limited experience, that we take
> a 700M CD, cram it with 
> useful apps & IF there is space left on the CD we
> put the src on it.  Once 
> there are enough (and their may be now) apps on the
> CD that it is full we 
> move the src code to a website.

...Or a second ISO containing the source.

Or, and I'm not sure if anyone's considered this yet,
a DVD? There are a lot of people with DVD drives, and
quite a few with DVD+-R(W)/RAM drives.

Bye

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Re: [Opencd-devel] Source

[Henrik N. O. <h....@bt...>]

On Fri, 2002-05-03 at 14:49, James Arthur wrote:
> 
> Perhaps, but I would. If I was looking to get, say, a
> copy of OpenOffice for Linux, I'd find someone who has
> it on CD because it would take days to download it via
> a modem. The source code effectively makes the CD
> multi-platform. Linux users aren't going to be scared
> by typing './configure && make && make install'. 
> Including the windows binaries _and_ the
> multi-platform source means that you could hand the CD
> over to anyone and it would appeal to both the newbies
> and the experienced on a multitude of platforms.

There are a million places to get free linux software on 
CDs; any linux distro will have that.  The is _NO_ such 
option for Windws at the moment.  This is the need we're 
trying to fill.  Anyoe who is ableto type './configure'
or even able to read a README file is alredy considered
an advanced user in this context.  We need to keeep it 
_very_ simple for the Windows crowd out there :)


> 
> ...Or a second ISO containing the source.
> 
> Or, and I'm not sure if anyone's considered this yet,
> a DVD? There are a lot of people with DVD drives, and
> quite a few with DVD+-R(W)/RAM drives.
> 
Yeah, we've touched on that.  In a year or two, I think :)

- Henrik

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Re: [Opencd-devel] Source

[Alex R. <tun...@pa...>]

Steve Mallett wrote:
> 

> > We offer it as tarballs/ZIP files on the website. The *vast* majority of
> > people using the CD are not going to want the source code. The majority
> > probably aren't going to know what source code even is.
> 
> That may or may not be true.  People who have vast computer experience (IT
> depts) may have just the excuse they were looking for to install one of these
> apps.  Imagine the impact....  Timmy installs Mozilla, plays with it, likes
> it.  Conclusion:  This really is good stuff.  "Source code?  They don't
> really do that, that's crazy."  Timmy surfs the CD.  Holy Mackeral!  They
> really do distribute the source.  Let's go that extra yard & hammer what
> we're all about home.

Yeah, but if we send source code then we need to include difficult to
use, professional compilers. Joe User doesn't like that...

Alex