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From: Damour, J. A <Jam...@DF...> - 2002-05-02 19:40:50
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Buchan Milne <bg...@ca...> wrote: | Can the JRE be run from a CD? Or would it need to be installed first? There's a re-distributable, binary version of Sun's JRE. While I haven't tried it, it ought to be able to run from any set of read-only directorys. If we make the autorun.inf correct, we should be able to reference ./jdk/bin/java from some .BAT file. I'll test the theory soon and post the results to the forum. James Damour Principle Consultant Keane, Inc. 474-4637 |
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From: J A. F. <jaa...@ya...> - 2002-05-03 04:14:14
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--- Alex Roston <tun...@pa...> wrote: > J Aaron Farr wrote: > > > And one last word about a unified installer. While having one single > installer > > is nice, it has several draw backs. First, we're duplicating effort. > Also, > > the installer will have to be regularly updated for each new release of the > > software we provide on the CD. > > Absolutely agreed. "Call /Mozilla/setup.exe" is definitely the way to > go. > > > An HTML based installer would be much simplier. > > I'm still a little worried about that. Can someone send me a proof of > concept? > > > Finally, I feel that > > by providing an HTML front end we can easily provide links to documentation > and > > resources found on the CD, plus links to our websites and other projects. > > Localization will also be easier and creating an single unified look and > feel > > for both installer and website can be easily done by using the same > > stylesheets. > > While I'm a little leery of the HTML based install, I agree with the > idea of providing links to the documentation and other resources. What > if our Mozilla were shipped with its default "Home" being an "OSS CD > Homepage" which would be installed on the disk. That homepage would have > links to the documentation and web resources. > > Alex Perhaps I should clarify by what I mean as an HTML based installer. There's a difference between and HTML based installer and and HTTP based installer. The idea I am referring to is that when the CD is places in the computer's CD-ROM drive, either the system's default browser or some lightweight browser that can run off the CD starts (someone mentioned K-Meleon and if we can get that to work, I think it's a great idea). The browser would load some HTML page that is locally found on the CD. This HTML page would be the front end to the installer. I imagine there would be quite a few pages on the CD-ROM. From this loaded page, the user would be able to start any of the installers located on the CD-ROM. Nothing would be installed via the internet, everything would load directly from the CD-ROM. However, there could very well be links from these CD-ROM hosted HTML pages to the project website(s) and to other relative open source sites. So in other words, all our autorun.exe file would need to do is run some browser (system specified or local to the CD) and load our "start.html" or "index.html" (or whatever) page that is on the CD-ROM. At least that's what I've meant by an HTML based installer. jaaron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com |
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From: Martin S. <bud...@bu...> - 2002-05-03 07:44:41
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On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 09:14:14PM -0700, J Aaron Farr wrote: > Perhaps I should clarify by what I mean as an HTML based installer. There's a > difference between and HTML based installer and and HTTP based installer. The > idea I am referring to is that when the CD is places in the computer's CD-ROM > drive, either the system's default browser or some lightweight browser that can > run off the CD starts (someone mentioned K-Meleon and if we can get that to > work, I think it's a great idea). The browser would load some HTML page that > is locally found on the CD. This HTML page would be the front end to the > installer. I imagine there would be quite a few pages on the CD-ROM. From > this loaded page, the user would be able to start any of the installers located > on the CD-ROM. Nothing would be installed via the internet, everything would > load directly from the CD-ROM. However, there could very well be links from > these CD-ROM hosted HTML pages to the project website(s) and to other relative > open source sites. So in other words, all our autorun.exe file would need to > do is run some browser (system specified or local to the CD) and load our > "start.html" or "index.html" (or whatever) page that is on the CD-ROM. > > At least that's what I've meant by an HTML based installer. That's what the quick mock I have done does, check it out http://www.budge.net/opencd/zip or http://budgester.homeip.net/budge/opencd.zip Have fun. Budge > > jaaron > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________________________ > > Have big pipes? SourceForge.net is looking for download mirrors. We supply > the hardware. You get the recognition. Email Us: ban...@so... > _______________________________________________ > Opencd-devel mailing list > Ope...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opencd-devel > -- Budgester Technologies Ltd Office : 01992 718568 Mobile : 07815 982380 mailto:ma...@bu... http://www.budgester.com |
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From: Toby I. <to...@go...> - 2002-05-03 06:56:49
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On Thu, 2 May 2002 21:14:14 -0700 (PDT)
J Aaron Farr <jaa...@ya...> wrote:
JAF> Perhaps I should clarify by what I mean as an HTML based installer.
JAF> There's a difference between and HTML based installer and and
JAF> HTTP based installer....
I still don't think this is a great idea:
1) it would look less professional than a proper purpose-built application; and
2) people are wary about installing things off the Internet -- yes,
*I* realise they would be installing things of the CD, not the
Internet... but would they?
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From: Martin S. <bud...@bu...> - 2002-05-03 07:46:27
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On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 08:57:53AM +0100, Toby Inkster wrote: > On Thu, 2 May 2002 21:14:14 -0700 (PDT) > J Aaron Farr <jaa...@ya...> wrote: > > JAF> Perhaps I should clarify by what I mean as an HTML based installer. > JAF> There's a difference between and HTML based installer and and > JAF> HTTP based installer.... > > I still don't think this is a great idea: > > 1) it would look less professional than a proper purpose-built application; and > 2) people are wary about installing things off the Internet -- yes, > *I* realise they would be installing things of the CD, not the > Internet... but would they? How about a big note on the front page, to the effect of. All software will be installed from this CD, this has all been tested by the OpenCD authors, blah blah blah > > -- > Toby A Inkster, Esq. ~ http://www.goddamn.co.uk/tobyink/ > mailto:tobyink<at>goddamn.co.uk ~ gpg:0x5274FE5A > jabber:tobyink<at>amessage.de ~ icq:6622880 ~ aim:inka80 ~ yahoo:tobyink > > In an advertisement by a Hong Kong dentist: Teeth extrcted by the > latest Methodists. -- Budgester Technologies Ltd Office : 01992 718568 Mobile : 07815 982380 mailto:ma...@bu... http://www.budgester.com |
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From: Henrik N. O. <h....@bt...> - 2002-05-03 10:18:24
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On Fri, 2002-05-03 at 08:57, Toby Inkster wrote: > On Thu, 2 May 2002 21:14:14 -0700 (PDT) > J Aaron Farr <jaa...@ya...> wrote: > > JAF> Perhaps I should clarify by what I mean as an HTML based installer. > JAF> There's a difference between and HTML based installer and and > JAF> HTTP based installer.... > > I still don't think this is a great idea: > > 1) it would look less professional than a proper purpose-built application; and > 2) people are wary about installing things off the Internet -- yes, > *I* realise they would be installing things of the CD, not the > Internet... but would they? > What if we modify K-meleon in such a way that it's not possible for the novice to see that it's a browser. It can be run in a permanent full screen mode, and we can put in all our own buttons for navigation. In that case we should probably not link to any site on the net, but we can still preserve the same look and feel of the web site. In that way, when the user does go on-line later the enviornment will be familiar. This can be made to look quite professional with some good web design (and I think we have people signed up that are good at this); certainly much better than your average windows installer, with its ugly green background and grey prompting windows. - Henrik -- Henrik Nilsen Omma Theoretical Physics, Oxford 35 Frenchay Road 1 Keble Road Oxford OX2 6TG Oxford OX1 3NP h....@bt... he...@th... |
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From: J A. F. <jaa...@ya...> - 2002-05-03 14:43:28
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--- Henrik Nilsen Omma <h....@bt...> wrote: > On Fri, 2002-05-03 at 08:57, Toby Inkster wrote: > > On Thu, 2 May 2002 21:14:14 -0700 (PDT) > > J Aaron Farr <jaa...@ya...> wrote: > > > > JAF> Perhaps I should clarify by what I mean as an HTML based installer. > > JAF> There's a difference between and HTML based installer and and > > JAF> HTTP based installer.... > > > > I still don't think this is a great idea: > > > > 1) it would look less professional than a proper purpose-built > application; and > > 2) people are wary about installing things off the Internet -- yes, > > *I* realise they would be installing things of the CD, not the > > Internet... but would they? > > > > What if we modify K-meleon in such a way that it's not possible for the > novice to see that it's a browser. It can be run in a permanent full > screen mode, and we can put in all our own buttons for navigation. In > that case we should probably not link to any site on the net, but we can > still preserve the same look and feel of the web site. In that way, > when the user does go on-line later the enviornment will be familiar. > > This can be made to look quite professional with some good web design > (and I think we have people signed up that are good at this); certainly > much better than your average windows installer, with its ugly green > background and grey prompting windows. > > - Henrik I really like this idea of K-Meleon. It would take a little work, but I think it would be really nice. And as mentioned, with proper HTML design, the installer would look just as proffesional as any standalone. jaaron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com |
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From: Alex R. <tun...@pa...> - 2002-05-04 00:32:27
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Martin Stevens wrote: > > On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 08:57:53AM +0100, Toby Inkster wrote: > > On Thu, 2 May 2002 21:14:14 -0700 (PDT) > > J Aaron Farr <jaa...@ya...> wrote: > > > > JAF> Perhaps I should clarify by what I mean as an HTML based installer. > > JAF> There's a difference between and HTML based installer and and > > JAF> HTTP based installer.... > > > > I still don't think this is a great idea: > > > > 1) it would look less professional than a proper purpose-built application; and > > 2) people are wary about installing things off the Internet -- yes, > > *I* realise they would be installing things of the CD, not the > > Internet... but would they? > > How about a big note on the front page, to the effect of. > > All software will be installed from this CD, this has all been tested > by the OpenCD authors, blah blah blah That sounds a little like trying too hard. Remember that our installer has to pass the "My Grandma Can Use It" test. What we're really talking about here is an installer that presents one screen at a time, asking one question at a time. SCREEN ONE: "Do you want to install an office suite? Click "Yes" or "No."" SCREEN TWO: "Do you want to install a browser? Click "Yes" or "No."" No "Next" button, no button for the next screen, just something simple that My Grandma can use. Once all the questions have been answered, then the application starts installing. If My Grandma can't do an easy install on the first try, she's gonna trash it. Alex |
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From: Alex R. <tun...@pa...> - 2002-05-04 00:41:02
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Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: > > On Fri, 2002-05-03 at 08:57, Toby Inkster wrote: > > On Thu, 2 May 2002 21:14:14 -0700 (PDT) > > J Aaron Farr <jaa...@ya...> wrote: > > > > JAF> Perhaps I should clarify by what I mean as an HTML based installer. > > JAF> There's a difference between and HTML based installer and and > > JAF> HTTP based installer.... > > > > I still don't think this is a great idea: > > > > 1) it would look less professional than a proper purpose-built application; and > > 2) people are wary about installing things off the Internet -- yes, > > *I* realise they would be installing things of the CD, not the > > Internet... but would they? > > > > What if we modify K-meleon in such a way that it's not possible for the > novice to see that it's a browser. It can be run in a permanent full > screen mode, and we can put in all our own buttons for navigation. In > that case we should probably not link to any site on the net, but we can > still preserve the same look and feel of the web site. In that way, > when the user does go on-line later the enviornment will be familiar. > > This can be made to look quite professional with some good web design > (and I think we have people signed up that are good at this); certainly > much better than your average windows installer, with its ugly green > background and grey prompting windows. The problem with doing something different is that "Joe User" trusts the gray prompting screen and the ugly green background. He trusts it because, as far as he's concerned, this is the only safe and sane way to install software. What we all must remember is that the success of this project rests with the installer. If it's hard to use, or even asks Joe User to think, he'll microwave the CD. We don't want anything new or different here. Just my .02 Alex |
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