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From: J A. F. <jaa...@ya...> - 2002-05-01 04:58:27
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--- Alex Roston <tun...@pa...> wrote: > I think the Open Source CD is a wonderful idea, and I'd be happy to help > out. I don't have good coding skills, but I'd be happy to write > documentation, create a web page, (my HTML is pretty good) or beta test. > > I work at Jordan High School in Watts (LA's worst neighborhood) and the > kids down there could really use a CD or two of good Open Source stuff. > > With my schoolkids in mind, I think that one of the most important > things we can do is include as much "HOWTO" type material as possible, > so that people who want to learn coding, or how to use a difficult > program such as The GIMP, don't have to go out and buy expensive books. > > Please let me know what I can do to help. > > Alex > I know we're trying to keep the CD targeted at the "average" computer user, therefore compilers and whatnot may not be appropriate, however I like this idea of "HOWTO" documentation that can help people become more familiar with using their computer and open source software. jaaron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com |
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From: Alex R. <tun...@pa...> - 2002-05-01 02:40:18
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Steve Mallett wrote: > > I've just read about the opencd project & wanted to let you know that I > frickin' love it. > > What can I help with? I think it would be lovely if there was some good "HOWTO" material to go with the programs. Do you have access to good, freely distributable instructional stuff? Alex |
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From: Alex R. <tun...@pa...> - 2002-05-01 02:37:31
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I think the Open Source CD is a wonderful idea, and I'd be happy to help out. I don't have good coding skills, but I'd be happy to write documentation, create a web page, (my HTML is pretty good) or beta test. I work at Jordan High School in Watts (LA's worst neighborhood) and the kids down there could really use a CD or two of good Open Source stuff. With my schoolkids in mind, I think that one of the most important things we can do is include as much "HOWTO" type material as possible, so that people who want to learn coding, or how to use a difficult program such as The GIMP, don't have to go out and buy expensive books. Please let me know what I can do to help. Alex |
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From: Steve M. <st...@op...> - 2002-05-01 02:04:42
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I've just read about the opencd project & wanted to let you know that I frickin' love it. What can I help with? I collect info on 'stable (high quality), certified to be 'open source' software for all platforms including the windows platforms. -- Steve Mallett | http://OSDir.org - Just Stable, Open Source Apps st...@op... | web...@op... http://open5ource.net <personal> "To use Linux without criticizing it is to betray it." -Clay Shirky |
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From: Imran G. <im...@bi...> - 2002-04-30 22:03:30
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On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, J Aaron Farr wrote: > Hello all. > > A few have mentioned the idea of using HTML as a front end for the installer. > I think this is a great idea and could simplify development. We would also be > able to directly use the installers built by other projects (ie - Open Office, > Mozilla). Additionally, links to our website(s), additional documentation, > etc., could easily be accessed from a HTML front-end. Another advantage is that we can have all of the data on the programs (descriptions, links, etc) in a database for all of the programs we might include, and then just use a script to create the installation pages based upon the final selection of software we put onto the CD. Imran -- http://bits.bris.ac.uk/imran |
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From: Toby I. <to...@go...> - 2002-04-30 21:05:49
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On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 18:45:44 +0200
Steffen Brinckmann <S.B...@ph...> wrote:
SB> Many commercial companies use the "Html opens setups of 3rd party
SB> programs" system. I think it is easy and more than enough. With this
SB> you also do not mess with the specific programs making the legal stuff
SB> easier.
(a) Personally I think a nice graphical executable opening the setups
of 3rd party programs is preferable. Much prettier and more
professional.
(b) As the software is all GPL, we would have no legal trouble messing
with the installers as long as we made the source code available
under the GPL.
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From: Toby I. <to...@go...> - 2002-04-30 20:59:11
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On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 16:29:48 -0400
Jody Goldberg <jo...@gn...> wrote:
JG> I'm willing to do the porting, but lack a windows environment to do
JG> it with. My assumption is that as long as you are packaging gimp
JG> you'll probably already have many of the libraries installed.
At the moment I don't even have *Windows* installed (I'll be installing it via bochs soon hopefully). We're not packaging GIMP (at least no-one's mentioned any plans to) -- there is already a nice (or so I'm told) Windows installer for it here:
http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/gimp/
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From: J A. F. <jaa...@ya...> - 2002-04-30 20:53:12
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Hello all. A few have mentioned the idea of using HTML as a front end for the installer. I think this is a great idea and could simplify development. We would also be able to directly use the installers built by other projects (ie - Open Office, Mozilla). Additionally, links to our website(s), additional documentation, etc., could easily be accessed from a HTML front-end. All we would need to to write the appropriate "autorun.inf" and "autorun.exe" file that would call the system web browser and open our "Index.html" or similiar file. I've seen this done, but I'm personally not familiar with it. Also, in terms of look and feel, it would be easy to maintain a similiar look and feel to the installer and our websites by just using the same set of stylesheets. Any other thoughts on this idea? I'm also interested in looking into Cygwin's installer. XEmacs uses it for their Win32 installer, so maybe that's another solution. jaaron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com |
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From: Jody G. <jo...@gn...> - 2002-04-30 20:30:02
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On Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 08:25:06PM +0100, Toby Inkster wrote: > On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 13:12:41 -0400 > Jody Goldberg <jo...@gn...> wrote: > > JG> Hello folks. I maintain Gnumeric and would be very interested in > JG> seeing attempts to compile with gtk+-2.0 on windows. > > However, our aim at this project is not to port applications to > Windows, but to package up already-ported apps. If you could get a > Windows copy made, stabalised and produce some sort of > install-shield type script to install it, then I'm sure it would > appear on one of the CDs. I'm willing to do the porting, but lack a windows environment to do it with. My assumption is that as long as you are packaging gimp you'll probably already have many of the libraries installed. Hence someone here would be in a reasonable position to actually attempt to compile gnumeric. |
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From: Toby I. <to...@go...> - 2002-04-30 18:24:29
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On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 13:12:41 -0400
Jody Goldberg <jo...@gn...> wrote:
JG> Hello folks. I maintain Gnumeric and would be very interested in
JG> seeing attempts to compile with gtk+-2.0 on windows. There are
JG> definitely a few gotchas in there but if there are people who can
JG> test the compilations I can patch things as necessary.
When I first started using GNOME, I looked around Gnumeric and was impressed, although I personally have little need for a spreadsheet. It's at least as worthy of being on the CD as AbiWord is.
However, our aim at this project is not to port applications to Windows, but to package up already-ported apps. If you could get a Windows copy made, stabalised and produce some sort of install-shield type script to install it, then I'm sure it would appear on one of the CDs.
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From: anthony w. <ton...@ya...> - 2002-04-30 17:38:58
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Concerning these two needed contributions, what platform is being used? "Web design -- In the hacker site (theopencd.org, say) we need discussion forums, but also ways of contributing code and graphics and a way to competitively rate submissions (see KDE-look.org). In the next phase, we need a public site (theopencd.com, say). This must be very simple and friendly." "Support - The public site should contain some discussion forums and a FAQ, and it would be useful if some seasoned hackers people could hang around the public site and answer newbie questions, and enlighten them about Free/OpenSource software at the same time." I am currently writing the specs for a website with this type of functionality for a client of mine (basically a debugging/test site with ability to post code/comments/error reports to be used by a team of developers), and this site will be fully developed by June 1. I will gladly donate the time to tailor that code for this site if it is needed and if the tools are available. I am using Java servelets/JSP with Apache on Linux. T. Wilson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com |
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From: Jody G. <jo...@gn...> - 2002-04-30 17:12:24
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Hello folks. I maintain Gnumeric and would be very interested in seeing attempts to compile with gtk+-2.0 on windows. There are definitely a few gotchas in there but if there are people who can test the compilations I can patch things as necessary. |
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From: Jon S. <jsa...@di...> - 2002-04-30 16:50:24
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Greetings all, I am a web developer/graphics designer, and I wouldn't mind helping = develop a PHP/mySQL rating system for opencd programs, similar to = kde-look.org's. Also, I had a suggestion - for installation, you should check out the = installation that the Nusphere web package uses = (http://www.nusphere.com). It runs entirely out of the browser and a = local perl script, using micro web server. That way, any installation = instructions can easily be translated in HTML pages. Let me know if anyone is interested in working with me. I'd love to = help out when I can! -Jon |
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From: Steffen B. <S.B...@ph...> - 2002-04-30 16:38:39
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Hi everybody, I really thing this is a nice idea. The most important thing is to keep it simple. Out there are 1000 of those "Get with this CD 100000e100 programs for only 10 bucks" When running the setup one finds 1000 Word programs, etc. For a "Target USER" much to much. Just one. I perfectly know that there are for example many good OS word processors out there. So a democratic vote would have to be made to which the minority would have to stick until the next release. Many commercial companies use the "Html opens setups of 3rd party programs" system. I think it is easy and more than enough. With this you also do not mess with the specific programs making the legal stuff easier. If you are still looking for testers,.. just contact me. Steffen ... _... |
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From: Toby I. <to...@go...> - 2002-04-27 13:14:17
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On Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:37:09 -0700 (PDT)
Eric Penne <ep...@ya...> wrote:
EP> I'm a little hesitant about talking about this so early in the
EP> process.
Yes, it probably is too early to bother discussing yet.
EP> I'm looking into making the CDs and distributing them to people who
EP> want it but don't want to download them.
Of course, the GPL says that you can do that.
PS: it is best practice not to set a "Reply-To" address on mailing lists.
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From: Henrik N. O. <h....@bt...> - 2002-04-26 23:31:49
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Check it out! There is a forum there, but I agree that installer development discussions should continue on this mailing list. - Henrik -- Henrik Nilsen Omma Theoretical Physics, Oxford 35 Frenchay Road 1 Keble Road Oxford OX2 6TG Oxford OX1 3NP h....@bt... he...@th... |
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From: Eric P. <ep...@ya...> - 2002-04-26 21:37:19
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I'm a little hesitant about talking about this so early in the process. I'm looking into making the CDs and distributing them to people who want it but don't want to download them. So far I thought that I would charge 5 bucks for them with free shipping in US and Canada and maybe Mexico. Bulk purchases could be cheaper. I could ship to places outside the US and Canada while charging for shipping just enough to make sure there is a profit on each CD. Sales tax would be charged for Washington, California, and Nebraska. Credit card processing would have the sales tax stuff but if I setup a PayPal account we could get by without the sales tax. I have a company in mind that will help me accept Credit card payments without a monthly fee, they just charge 10% of the total sales without shipping or tax. I am leery about using PayPal. I was thinking that all profit could go to the developers or the FSF. I'm open to suggestions and willing to all the cd Burning myself. Eric --- ope...@li... wrote: > Send Opencd-devel mailing list submissions to > ope...@li... > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opencd-devel > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ope...@li... > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ope...@li... > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Opencd-devel digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Hello All. "First Post" ;-) (Toby Inkster) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:33:52 +0100 > From: Toby Inkster <to...@go...> > To: ope...@li... > Organization: goddamn.co.uk > Subject: [Opencd-devel] Hello All. "First Post" ;-) > > --Zv?FRke=.7'hRY1v > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Hello, > > OK. So now we have an abundance of volunteers and resources. We're > going to have to get organised. As I see it, we need to split into a > few groups. These groups will need to work together, but > seperately... if you see what I mean. > > > ** Designers ** > > About 2 people who have some experience and talent with graphic > design need to sit down and design us logos, a colour scheme and > an overall "look and feel". > > These designs should be used on the CD itself (in the autorun > menu, for instance) and on our end-user website, TheOpenCD.com. > > > ** Webmasters ** > > While Henrik and I can probably manage running TheOpenCD.org (which > is planned to be the development headquarters), we'll need a team > of people to run TheOpenCD.com. You will probably want some > experience > with SQL, PHP or Perl. > > The website will probably need to provide a seamless transition to > OpenSourceWare.net, which is to become an area for tutorials and > links to open source projects. > > > ** Developers ** > > Last but not least, we'll need a few people to put together the > actual > CD. These people will need a certain amount of experience in > graphical > Win32 programming. If people interested in joining this team could > email > me, I could get an idea of what development tools you were all most > comfortable using and pick a language for the project - C, C++, VB, > etc. > > > So, as I was saying before. We now have an abundance of resources. In > particular, we have 2 fully-featured bulletin boards (theopencd.org > and opensourceware.net) and the sourceforge mailing list (which has > its archives on the web!) > > This, I think, is too much. It is far too decentralised. I would > suggest that everyone joins the mailing list, because email is > probably the most convenient of these. That way we can start putting > the websites to good use. > > Of course, if some of you disagree, we'll have to come up with a > better idea. > > If you want to join the mailing list, you can do so at this URL: > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opencd-devel > > Alternatively, you can sign up by email -- just send a quick email to > ope...@li... with the word "subscribe" > (without the quote marks) as the body. > > -- > Toby A Inkster, Esq. ~ http://www.goddamn.co.uk/tobyink/ > mailto:tobyink<at>goddamn.co.uk ~ gpg:0x5274FE5A > icq:6622880 ~ aim:inka80 ~ jabber:tobyink<at>amessage.de > > On the menu of a Polish hotel: Salad a firm's own make; limpid red > beet soup with cheesy dumplings in the form of a finger; roasted duck > let loose; beef rashers beaten up in the country people's fashion. > > --Zv?FRke=.7'hRY1v > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE8yGgwdS33bVJ0/loRAmCpAKDSm9I/3iQ5t6OP5RuK7ANNmgyq6QCgkXbB > AXsfpB1wNHqfi654+LcmuOE= > =TTS+ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --Zv?FRke=.7'hRY1v-- > > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > Opencd-devel mailing list > Ope...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opencd-devel > > > End of Opencd-devel Digest __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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From: Toby I. <to...@go...> - 2002-04-25 20:32:17
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Hello, OK. So now we have an abundance of volunteers and resources. We're going to have to get organised. As I see it, we need to split into a few groups. These groups will need to work together, but seperately... if you see what I mean. ** Designers ** About 2 people who have some experience and talent with graphic design need to sit down and design us logos, a colour scheme and an overall "look and feel". These designs should be used on the CD itself (in the autorun menu, for instance) and on our end-user website, TheOpenCD.com. ** Webmasters ** While Henrik and I can probably manage running TheOpenCD.org (which is planned to be the development headquarters), we'll need a team of people to run TheOpenCD.com. You will probably want some experience with SQL, PHP or Perl. The website will probably need to provide a seamless transition to OpenSourceWare.net, which is to become an area for tutorials and links to open source projects. ** Developers ** Last but not least, we'll need a few people to put together the actual CD. These people will need a certain amount of experience in graphical Win32 programming. If people interested in joining this team could email me, I could get an idea of what development tools you were all most comfortable using and pick a language for the project - C, C++, VB, etc. So, as I was saying before. We now have an abundance of resources. In particular, we have 2 fully-featured bulletin boards (theopencd.org and opensourceware.net) and the sourceforge mailing list (which has its archives on the web!) This, I think, is too much. It is far too decentralised. I would suggest that everyone joins the mailing list, because email is probably the most convenient of these. That way we can start putting the websites to good use. Of course, if some of you disagree, we'll have to come up with a better idea. If you want to join the mailing list, you can do so at this URL: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opencd-devel Alternatively, you can sign up by email -- just send a quick email to ope...@li... with the word "subscribe" (without the quote marks) as the body. -- Toby A Inkster, Esq. ~ http://www.goddamn.co.uk/tobyink/ mailto:tobyink<at>goddamn.co.uk ~ gpg:0x5274FE5A icq:6622880 ~ aim:inka80 ~ jabber:tobyink<at>amessage.de On the menu of a Polish hotel: Salad a firm's own make; limpid red beet soup with cheesy dumplings in the form of a finger; roasted duck let loose; beef rashers beaten up in the country people's fashion. |
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