Hello,
Think we should go with Scott's idea for source stuff, that is
IMHO. But about the assignment, sent a pretty simple webservice and web
form application. Isn't up to the assignment specs, since it just returns
a string, but thought should share.
If you wish, create a Directory in your C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\ named DimmWeb.
Then just unzip the zip file into that directory. To see how it works (if
i'm not mistaken) is to connect to http://localhost/DimmWeb/DimmWebApplication/WebForm1.aspx
Mostly just followed the walkthroughs on the Farein.. to Celc.. example.
Okay, not i start rambaling, thank you for being patient.
Was messing around with deploy projects. made one deploy project for the
web application and one for the web service. Because there was some
similar file names and i didn't want to mess with renaming them. Also,
didn't try to make a third deploy project to take the outputs
(packages) from the other two deploys. This is because each deploy (i
believe a .msi) was like 3.blah megs, and didn't want to email 7+ megs to
everyone. Even when i winziped it (or the actual files) it came to about
the same.
Oh, when i tried to move some of the files around, and then tried
to open it, i got erormessages like PERMISSIONS...; The other error
messages were the obvious "you not suppose to move things manually after
your create it" and VS.NET wouldn;t let me rename the absolute
paths. Assuming you might get the same permission problem on the deployed
files. The funny thing is, that for a web form to "find" the web service
it uses a web reference (i assume) and the only way (i could figure
out) to add one is to go through some kinda "checking" form. When i
installed the deployed packages, to see if worked, i had to specify where
the files go so that it matched perfectly with the path i specified for
the web reference. Doesn't seem much of a problem, but i got a few error
messages, since the installation copied over some of my files (or at least
i blieve it did.) Oh, to set what path you want the files to be deployed
to, click on the deployment project (in the solution window,) then hit the
first button on the solution bar. IT will give a webSomething dir
that has a list of files it "zips" and stuff, just click on that dir, then
go to the property window and change the path.
Seems like a lot of work, but it was real easy and fast... at least using
VS.NET (though the inital loading and certain opening commands were
slow,) not to mention it takes longer to build then to actual set things
up and code.
- Dimmoro
The main reason i like the heavy VS.NET over textpad is it builds one time
without the need for changing scripts for each, and because the interface
is so much good, like VB. Love that whatever.methodsPopUp thingy.
Thank you.
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Hi,
again... forgot to sent this stuff in last message...
it's late, so the grammer is really bad.
think you all know about the support for C# (the clip library) and making
a complie command etc.. tath is on textpad's webpage.
Here is what else i sloppy do..
I have Three new Tools,
1. Is the simple compile C# command with the /debug flag and always
prompt me for param.
2. Is the simple compile C# for libraries (.dll) command with the /debug
and /t:library flag and always prompt me for param.
3. A Batch File (an ASCII formated file with the .bat extension)
The reason for the always prompt me, is because i have to manually type
the /r:MyOwnClassLibrary.dll for every time i compile an executable that
uses my own .dll (and i do not want to change paths so C# looks for it,
nor do i want to copy them to the C# lib dir.)
The Batch file (which i used the Tool-Add-Program to add [after i made the
file]) is a file (usally blank) that i put in a nice place. When ever i
make a new prog (with multiple files) i just modify the Batch file and
save it. When i run the file in textpad (as a tool) i get all the compile
messages and errors, etc... makes it nice and easy for me to debug because
i can seperate the compilation of each file on a seperate line (and if i
am bored, add some batch file statements to "check" and modify stuff.)
Also, as you already know, when i am completed the prog./assigment, i just
copy over the batch file.... (let the other guy compile it on their
computer.)
Thank you for your time!
Have fun Running!
- Dimmoro
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Ops forgot this..
If you use a batch file, please do not forget to make the last line the
name of your .exe file. That way it will run and you get to see all the
Output in your textpad Command Results window.
Also, i stored my batch file in a new directory located in the TextPad 4
directory... it really does not matter where the file is, because you can
always save it by opening it (and you will since you need to edit it) then
sav as (F12) anywhere you like.
If you do not like going through all the directories looking for that
file (or any other) just make another batch file that will always open it
or, or a dos command to copy the file or, better yet, add a tool using
textpad to open it (not sure how to make it in the same screen thogh
You can even type:
#include "path\yourfile"; on a line, highlight the file and hit
ctrl-shift-g (or just right-click on the file.)
If you do not like always copying files, then just create a new
batch file, save it in the same dir as the project, and edit the
preference of the tool. and other stuff.......
well, sorry to talk so much..... ttyl.
- Dimmoro
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Sourcesafe works great. In a six-week development project where we hacked
60-80hr/week in Interdev, it never gave us a problem, except for the poor
CTO out in Boston who, among other things, had to administer the SS
Server and answer to our whinings spread across the nation.
CVS also works great. They, unlike the rest, merges code for you. There
is no lock/unlock like Sourcesafe, etc. Multiple ppl work on the same
file simultaneously! and when changes are committed, it merges it for
you. Conflicts are resolved manually by the last person to commit. It
keeps tracks of changes (with comments) and allows you to recall your
project up to ANY previous version. There is a 180?page free online book
on CVS (i have the URL if we need), but our guy who set it up on NT did
not seem happy doing it.
I've never seen anyone use CVS for a MS project. It's always SS through
Visual Studio. If we want CVS, there are Open Source communities out
there that will host you for free (no ads, no catches... except for a cron
delay) complete with SSH connection, mail lists, web-based administration,
forums, your own privately administered CVS-repository, auto backup on
their machines, exposure to Open Source communities, and assistance with
OSI licensing. We'll need something like that so we dont' spend our
resources (human, time, hardware, frustration) administering, especially
considering what happens when the semester is done, and we're gone.
As for limewire, toadnode, and gnutella, we chose gnutella to study for a
current project under NDA.
On a more personal note, is anybody "worried"? We're conducting a project
under openbuy.ics.hawaii.edu representing our school and our department.
We OBVIOUSLY want to be at v1.1 in 3 months, since nobody from the poorest
academic researcher to a TNC wants to use < 1.0 anything. We'll need a
project mission statement *immediately* complete with objectives, users,
and scope. *Before* that we'll need management in place. To be honest,
it will be fantastic for us to have something substantial to even apply
for an OSI mark in 3 months. To be brutally honest, I think it will be
fantastic for us to have a production quality mission statement, and
accompanying technical documents. If we take that route, we won't really
get to study C# and .Net hacking...
It depends on how aggressive we want to be. It we want v1.1 in 3 months,
I put the following up for debate. We will need a:
business team--to truly understand how business is done, beyond
transactional level! Why would I want to use this? What's my cost in
adopting this? What do I save? How will I and my clients have to adjust?
W/o domain knowledge, it is difficult to leveraget IT. I imagine we'll
find out we need to focus on very specific businesses with specific
transactions.
shock troopers--they train in C#, XML, SOAP, ASP.net? hacking and using
tools like VS.net. They fly when we have function specs. Will need
Software Architect type (design pattern/UML god) to lay out skeleton.
IT architects--people to learn how SOAP, UDDI, BizTalk, .Net, C#, MS
Enterprise Servers, XML, Web Services work together to form a cohesive
solution...among other things pick standards to go with (ie which schemas
to adopt)
Mission Statement Team--Figure out, seriously, 1) objectives 2)scope
3)users. Will require working closely with other groups, and most likely,
researching. They get all of the above down in writing/graphs and also
write functions specs for our shock troopers. We need good communicators!
Sys Admin--They worry about Open Source licensing, terms, distribution,
server admin, CVS solution, server security, and , of course, a webpage @
openbuy.ics.hawaii.edu.
Management-To coordinate The Cause.
Teams run in parallel (uh-oh), and with a few miracles, development might
begin before school is out.
this looks like fun!
joe
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Hello,
Think we should go with Scott's idea for source stuff, that is
IMHO. But about the assignment, sent a pretty simple webservice and web
form application. Isn't up to the assignment specs, since it just returns
a string, but thought should share.
If you wish, create a Directory in your C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\ named DimmWeb.
Then just unzip the zip file into that directory. To see how it works (if
i'm not mistaken) is to connect to
http://localhost/DimmWeb/DimmWebApplication/WebForm1.aspx
Mostly just followed the walkthroughs on the Farein.. to Celc.. example.
Okay, not i start rambaling, thank you for being patient.
Was messing around with deploy projects. made one deploy project for the
web application and one for the web service. Because there was some
similar file names and i didn't want to mess with renaming them. Also,
didn't try to make a third deploy project to take the outputs
(packages) from the other two deploys. This is because each deploy (i
believe a .msi) was like 3.blah megs, and didn't want to email 7+ megs to
everyone. Even when i winziped it (or the actual files) it came to about
the same.
Oh, when i tried to move some of the files around, and then tried
to open it, i got erormessages like PERMISSIONS...; The other error
messages were the obvious "you not suppose to move things manually after
your create it" and VS.NET wouldn;t let me rename the absolute
paths. Assuming you might get the same permission problem on the deployed
files. The funny thing is, that for a web form to "find" the web service
it uses a web reference (i assume) and the only way (i could figure
out) to add one is to go through some kinda "checking" form. When i
installed the deployed packages, to see if worked, i had to specify where
the files go so that it matched perfectly with the path i specified for
the web reference. Doesn't seem much of a problem, but i got a few error
messages, since the installation copied over some of my files (or at least
i blieve it did.) Oh, to set what path you want the files to be deployed
to, click on the deployment project (in the solution window,) then hit the
first button on the solution bar. IT will give a webSomething dir
that has a list of files it "zips" and stuff, just click on that dir, then
go to the property window and change the path.
Seems like a lot of work, but it was real easy and fast... at least using
VS.NET (though the inital loading and certain opening commands were
slow,) not to mention it takes longer to build then to actual set things
up and code.
- Dimmoro
The main reason i like the heavy VS.NET over textpad is it builds one time
without the need for changing scripts for each, and because the interface
is so much good, like VB. Love that whatever.methodsPopUp thingy.
Thank you.
Hi,
again... forgot to sent this stuff in last message...
it's late, so the grammer is really bad.
think you all know about the support for C# (the clip library) and making
a complie command etc.. tath is on textpad's webpage.
Here is what else i sloppy do..
I have Three new Tools,
1. Is the simple compile C# command with the /debug flag and always
prompt me for param.
2. Is the simple compile C# for libraries (.dll) command with the /debug
and /t:library flag and always prompt me for param.
3. A Batch File (an ASCII formated file with the .bat extension)
The reason for the always prompt me, is because i have to manually type
the /r:MyOwnClassLibrary.dll for every time i compile an executable that
uses my own .dll (and i do not want to change paths so C# looks for it,
nor do i want to copy them to the C# lib dir.)
The Batch file (which i used the Tool-Add-Program to add [after i made the
file]) is a file (usally blank) that i put in a nice place. When ever i
make a new prog (with multiple files) i just modify the Batch file and
save it. When i run the file in textpad (as a tool) i get all the compile
messages and errors, etc... makes it nice and easy for me to debug because
i can seperate the compilation of each file on a seperate line (and if i
am bored, add some batch file statements to "check" and modify stuff.)
Also, as you already know, when i am completed the prog./assigment, i just
copy over the batch file.... (let the other guy compile it on their
computer.)
Thank you for your time!
Have fun Running!
- Dimmoro
Ops forgot this..
If you use a batch file, please do not forget to make the last line the
name of your .exe file. That way it will run and you get to see all the
Output in your textpad Command Results window.
Also, i stored my batch file in a new directory located in the TextPad 4
directory... it really does not matter where the file is, because you can
always save it by opening it (and you will since you need to edit it) then
sav as (F12) anywhere you like.
If you do not like going through all the directories looking for that
file (or any other) just make another batch file that will always open it
or, or a dos command to copy the file or, better yet, add a tool using
textpad to open it (not sure how to make it in the same screen thogh
You can even type:
#include "path\yourfile"; on a line, highlight the file and hit
ctrl-shift-g (or just right-click on the file.)
If you do not like always copying files, then just create a new
batch file, save it in the same dir as the project, and edit the
preference of the tool. and other stuff.......
well, sorry to talk so much..... ttyl.
- Dimmoro
Greetings all!
Sourcesafe works great. In a six-week development project where we hacked
60-80hr/week in Interdev, it never gave us a problem, except for the poor
CTO out in Boston who, among other things, had to administer the SS
Server and answer to our whinings spread across the nation.
CVS also works great. They, unlike the rest, merges code for you. There
is no lock/unlock like Sourcesafe, etc. Multiple ppl work on the same
file simultaneously! and when changes are committed, it merges it for
you. Conflicts are resolved manually by the last person to commit. It
keeps tracks of changes (with comments) and allows you to recall your
project up to ANY previous version. There is a 180?page free online book
on CVS (i have the URL if we need), but our guy who set it up on NT did
not seem happy doing it.
I've never seen anyone use CVS for a MS project. It's always SS through
Visual Studio. If we want CVS, there are Open Source communities out
there that will host you for free (no ads, no catches... except for a cron
delay) complete with SSH connection, mail lists, web-based administration,
forums, your own privately administered CVS-repository, auto backup on
their machines, exposure to Open Source communities, and assistance with
OSI licensing. We'll need something like that so we dont' spend our
resources (human, time, hardware, frustration) administering, especially
considering what happens when the semester is done, and we're gone.
As for limewire, toadnode, and gnutella, we chose gnutella to study for a
current project under NDA.
On a more personal note, is anybody "worried"? We're conducting a project
under openbuy.ics.hawaii.edu representing our school and our department.
We OBVIOUSLY want to be at v1.1 in 3 months, since nobody from the poorest
academic researcher to a TNC wants to use < 1.0 anything. We'll need a
project mission statement *immediately* complete with objectives, users,
and scope. *Before* that we'll need management in place. To be honest,
it will be fantastic for us to have something substantial to even apply
for an OSI mark in 3 months. To be brutally honest, I think it will be
fantastic for us to have a production quality mission statement, and
accompanying technical documents. If we take that route, we won't really
get to study C# and .Net hacking...
It depends on how aggressive we want to be. It we want v1.1 in 3 months,
I put the following up for debate. We will need a:
business team--to truly understand how business is done, beyond
transactional level! Why would I want to use this? What's my cost in
adopting this? What do I save? How will I and my clients have to adjust?
W/o domain knowledge, it is difficult to leveraget IT. I imagine we'll
find out we need to focus on very specific businesses with specific
transactions.
shock troopers--they train in C#, XML, SOAP, ASP.net? hacking and using
tools like VS.net. They fly when we have function specs. Will need
Software Architect type (design pattern/UML god) to lay out skeleton.
IT architects--people to learn how SOAP, UDDI, BizTalk, .Net, C#, MS
Enterprise Servers, XML, Web Services work together to form a cohesive
solution...among other things pick standards to go with (ie which schemas
to adopt)
Mission Statement Team--Figure out, seriously, 1) objectives 2)scope
3)users. Will require working closely with other groups, and most likely,
researching. They get all of the above down in writing/graphs and also
write functions specs for our shock troopers. We need good communicators!
Sys Admin--They worry about Open Source licensing, terms, distribution,
server admin, CVS solution, server security, and , of course, a webpage @
openbuy.ics.hawaii.edu.
Management-To coordinate The Cause.
Teams run in parallel (uh-oh), and with a few miracles, development might
begin before school is out.
this looks like fun!
joe