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Re: [Op-torch-general] Torch

[Ignacio V. <iv...@ha...>]

Michael, where is your svn? -- IV

On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:29:03 -0400
  "Michael A Rowley, MD" <mi...@we...> wrote:
> just updated the SVN server with the newest changes, version 35, it 
> 
> isn't onthe server yet,  too much stuff to do, to little time.  I am 
> 
> hoping to get back to a version that is navigatable this weekend.   
> creation of accounts works now, naming conventions for users works, 
> 
> the EMR portion works, just need a clean navigation path between  
> them.  HOpe to have that this weekend, as I am drilling, and should 
> 
> get some of this done.  Will update the SVN server on Monday, and  
> hopefully get this on lameduck by wednesday.  Just depends on what  
> other crap occurs.
> 
> Michael.
> 
> 
> On Aug 1, 2006, at 9:44 PM, Yacoub Isaac wrote:
> 
>> Mike
>>
>> Do you have a version of torch up and running?  I looked on  
>> lameduck but
>> I didn't see anything.
>>
>> Jake
>>
> 
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Re: [Op-torch-general] Torch

[Michael A R. M. <mi...@we...>]

just updated the SVN server with the newest changes, version 35, it  
isn't onthe server yet,  too much stuff to do, to little time.  I am  
hoping to get back to a version that is navigatable this weekend.   
creation of accounts works now, naming conventions for users works,  
the EMR portion works, just need a clean navigation path between  
them.  HOpe to have that this weekend, as I am drilling, and should  
get some of this done.  Will update the SVN server on Monday, and  
hopefully get this on lameduck by wednesday.  Just depends on what  
other crap occurs.

Michael.


On Aug 1, 2006, at 9:44 PM, Yacoub Isaac wrote:

> Mike
>
> Do you have a version of torch up and running?  I looked on  
> lameduck but
> I didn't see anything.
>
> Jake
>

Re: [Op-torch-general] Torch progress

[Michael A R. M. <mi...@we...>]

Hey Tim and Nandalal,

yes these would be very interesting.  Actually progress is still  
being made, albeit slowly.  I have TORCH running on my notebook right  
now, but it is not in a state that would really be helpful to anyone.

I am being deployed in a month, so don't know if that will help or  
hurt me working on the system.  Might actually have more time, with  
nothing else to do, no kids to play with, no wife to chase around...  
you know.  Last deployment was where I learned the majority of my  
python to get the project this far.

As soon as I get the system to a loadable state, I will get the demo  
site back up.

Also, I have some concerns about the migration from 1.3 to 2.x, so  
this information might be very helpful.

Michael.
On Jul 14, 2006, at 2:40 PM, Tim Cook wrote:

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>> Just joined the list on Tim's request (just want's to
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>
> Hi All,
>
> I wasn't trying to get Nandalal out of my hair.  However, over the  
> past
> several weeks he has been working on learning to create / edit
> templates for the TORCH 1.3.x series.  His questions and my answers  
> are
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>
> With his permission I will repost those to the list for this reason.
>
> Regards,
> Tim
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Re: [Op-torch-general] Torch progress

[Tim C. <tw...@sh...>]

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Nandalal Gunaratne wrote:
> Hi, 
> 
> Just joined the list on Tim's request (just want's to
> get me out of his hair!). 

Hi All,

I wasn't trying to get Nandalal out of my hair.  However, over the past
several weeks he has been working on learning to create / edit
templates for the TORCH 1.3.x series.  His questions and my answers are
likely of interest to others or at least should be saved in the TORCH
archives.

With his permission I will repost those to the list for this reason.

Regards,
Tim

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[Op-torch-general] Torch progress

[Nandalal G. <nan...@ya...>]

Hi, 

Just joined the list on Tim's request (just want's to
get me out of his hair!). The last mail is on January
2006. Any news from the Torch labs?

Nanda



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[Op-torch-general] Re: [Archetypes-users] Answer found Re: Silly question, Catalog search results

[Michael A R. M. <mi...@we...>]

Hey Ignacio,

It is coming along.  I had hoped to have the demo site up by now.   
But the migration to plone is holding me back a bit.  The last thing  
I wanted to get working was the base workflow, to require login to  
the site, and so we could start working on navigation.  We chose  
AlphaFlow, and event driven workflow product, but that necessitated  
the move to plone.  Haven't touched it over the holidays, will start  
back on it today.  Hope to have the plone migration done in a couple  
of days.  As soon as that is over, I will get the demo site up, with  
or without workflow.  WIll just have no security as yet, but will  
show the proof of concept at least.

M

On Dec 23, 2005, at 10:38 AM, Ignacio Valdes wrote:

> Hi, how is the EMR project going? Can you send me a link to it?
>
> -- IV

[Op-torch-general] Re: TORCH on plone?

[Michael A R. M. <mi...@we...>]

On Dec 23, 2005, at 3:21 PM, Ignacio Valdes wrote:

> Hi again, looks like you are getting TORCH on Plone? -- IV

Hey Ignacio,

TORCH has always been a Plone/Archetypes project, but due to workflow  
necessity, it has become necessary ( and ultimately desireable) to  
move the project to Plone 2.1.x.  With the release of Plone 2.1.1,  
there are a lot of features that we can use that will really help us  
out, and simplify what we have been trying to do... Well, with the  
exception of getting a useable system out the door!

Time has been our enemy here.  I am in the process of finishing the  
move to Plone 2.1.1, and Zope 2.8.  I hope to have this up soon.  We  
have seriously missed our goal of November 1 for a demo site.  I  
apologize for that.  But if anyone wants, I can send a picture of my  
son. :)

So.  Here is what we have done.

Calendaring: Written by Jake Isaac, which works pretty well.  He is  
working on a templating system.
EMR: Mostly working, has a "unified" encounter system, so that you  
can combine multiple objects into one view, and display it in a way  
that is logical.  It is pretty cool, I think.  Needs some stuff added  
yet, but they are small.
History: track Surgical, Medical Social history
Rx: prescriptions, with re-order, and refill ability. (almost.)

Here is what we have planned:
WORKFLOW!!! we are stuck here.  Need this working next, or we can't  
dev the rest of the system.  Planning on using Alphaflow, a well  
documented, activity based.  AFter the plone conversion, I will work  
on this.
Billing: keep track of billing codes for US use, CPT, and HCPCS,   
(with ICD-9),  Hoping to use Freeb2, but not sure if we can yet... We  
will see.
Accounting: have to keep track of the Billing somehow, I have started  
to play with BastionLedger, and I think it will suit our purpose well.

this will give us a functional system.

Michael

[Op-torch-general] TORCH2

[Michael A R. M. <mi...@we...>]

Hey Tim, and Nigel, and anyone else listening.

On Dec 1, 2005, at 9:05 AM, Tim Cook wrote:
On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 09:41 +0200, Nigel Sinclair-Thomson wrote:
Good day

I would be grateful if you could let me know what the status is of
your Torch2 project and where I can access the documentation that was
on the Open Paradigms website (as referred from SourceForge.

When I moved to Canada I left the project in the trusted hands of Dr.
Michael Rowley.  I am not certain if/when that information will be made
available again or even if it is applicable.

Torch2 is actually coming along well.  We have had some delays due to  
production problems, and child births, but it is getting on track.


I have CC'd Dr. Rowley and you can also access their new website at:
http://www.torchmd.com although just checking it now displays only the
Apache test page.  Maybe they are updating the site?

we have a new server that is to host the torchmd site, demo site,   
documentation, bug reporting, and svn server.  I have not had time  
due to other necessities to get the site up and running again.  There  
wasn't much up on the original site anyway, so it is not a big loss.

We had a goal to get the demo site up by 1Nov, but we missed that.  I  
hope to get it up soon.

Michael




Regards,
-- 
Tim Cook, Consultant CHASE Health Informatics, Inc.
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Michael Rowley MD
Project Manager
TORCH2
Trusted Open source Records for Care and Health

Re: [Op-torch-general] MIE 2005 and EFMI

[Michael A R. M. <mi...@we...>]

On Aug 17, 2005, at 4:32 AM, David, Ruslan wrote:

> Thanks a lot Michael for your prompt answer,
>
>
>
> I appreciate very much your attention and looking forward for =20
> further collaboration and joint activities. In special I was =20
> impressed by your so detailed description of your current =20
> beginnings. Please note that drug reference FOSS initiative already =20=

> has been established. For more info and download please visit this =20
> page http://www.drugref.org/ .

I had seen this site before, but forgotten about it.  It does have =20
the problem that I have never been able to actually access the DB on =20
line, and the downloads section has not been updated since their =20
first posting in 2003.
> Regarding your =93fighting with drugs=94 please allow me to share some =
=20
> my personal views:
>
> In general I would like to suggest you to avoid inclusion of the =20
> drug descriptions and interactions into TORCH, the reason is very =20
> simple one =96 TORCH as result will become a commercial product! =20
> Would be better if the system will be capable to store drug =20
> descriptions and drug interactions added by front end users =20
> (doctors, nurses). Usually doctors using a limited amount of drugs =20
> and this point is a very normal one, because medicine as computer =20
> science has many directions (ophthalmology, gynaecology, etc.). At =20
> least it is my opinion, your comments are welcome!
True, but most physicians won't update the system themselves.  I am =20
planning on doing an interface with an SQL db.  So the source of the =20
DB won't matter as much.   Zope has very good db interface built in.

> Regarding how and when I could help you=85 I=92m already making some =20=

> attempts to do so J but seriously speaking please just inform me =20
> when your will need some support from designing point of view =20
> (templates, usability, graphics, icons, css, etc.) Regarding my =20
> programming skills I=92m learning L unfortunately=85 learning.
When you stop learning, that is a bad sign. :)
> Of course don=92t forget to keep me informed about readiness of your =20=

> article and in general about your realisationsJ
I will work on this as time allows.  I will keep you informed as much =20=

as possible.  Will be easier once we have a system you can install =20
and play with.

Michael

> Sincerely,
>
> Ruslan

RE: [Op-torch-general] MIE 2005 and EFMI

[David, R. <rus...@gs...>]

Thanks a lot Michael for your prompt answer,

=20

I appreciate very much your attention and looking forward for further
collaboration and joint activities. In special I was impressed by your
so detailed description of your current beginnings. Please note that
drug reference FOSS initiative already has been established. For more
info and download please visit this page http://www.drugref.org/ .

=20

Regarding your "fighting with drugs" please allow me to share some my
personal views:=20

In general I would like to suggest you to avoid inclusion of the drug
descriptions and interactions into TORCH, the reason is very simple one
- TORCH as result will become a commercial product! Would be better if
the system will be capable to store drug descriptions and drug
interactions added by front end users (doctors, nurses). Usually doctors
using a limited amount of drugs and this point is a very normal one,
because medicine as computer science has many directions (ophthalmology,
gynaecology, etc.). At least it is my opinion, your comments are
welcome!

=20

Regarding how and when I could help you... I'm already making some
attempts to do so :-) but seriously speaking please just inform me when
your will need some support from designing point of view (templates,
usability, graphics, icons, css, etc.) Regarding my programming skills
I'm learning :-( unfortunately... learning.

=20

Of course don't forget to keep me informed about readiness of your
article and in general about your realisations:-)

=20

Sincerely,

Ruslan

=20

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Sent: Dienstag, 16. August 2005 22:02
To: op-...@li...; David, Ruslan
Subject: Re: [Op-torch-general] MIE 2005 and EFMI

=20

Hey Ruslan,

=20

I apologize for not being more prompt in my reply. Just been busy the
last couple of days.  I am the lead developer on the project.    I am
going to try and address some of your questions first.=20

=20

=20

Dear Michael and Colleagues,

=20

I would like to request more information regarding the exiting
possibilities to be involved in your beginnings. Sincerely I'm very
impressed about your realisations and in parallel I'm a little confused
- why you aren't promoting more actively the TORCH Project.

=20

Well, I have been the lead developer for a little over a year, before
that the project belonged to Tim Cook, who started the project with the
original torch 1.3 version.  Since that time, I have rewritten almost
every line of code.  I have advocated torch as much as I feel is
reasonable, for a project that hasn't released a stable file yet.  I am
happy to accept any help that is offered, the issue is figuring how
where and how you can help. :)

=20

Regarding my candidature (I hope I would be accepted as one interested
and motivated in development guy J ) please allow me at the moment to be
modest, just have a look at my recent project  <http://mirc.gsf.de/>
http://mirc.gsf.de (unfortunately it is not yet Zope/Plone based one ):=20

=20

Here is where the problem lies.  We are not organized enough yet to need
help with the code source, and zope/plone/archetypes, while much simpler
than some options, do require a good deal of background.  One of our
developers started recently, has experience in Java, C++, and is a
professional programmer, and has had a lot of learning to do with
zope/plone and archetypes.  So starting out there is a steep learning
curve.  Some of the design things, like CSS, skins, documentation, and
background activities, we could certianly use help with also, but I am
not sure where to start! :) =20

=20

I do have a couple of ideas for features I would like to add that you
could certainly help with, like

=20

  1)  There is no FOSS drug reference that I can find, but have had
limited time to research.  I would be happy to host such a beast on my
server, and allow people to add information, and updates to it.  This
would be a great help to us, and the medical community in general.  Plus
this is an animal that is designed around a relational db model.  We
could start the initial project with the DB design.  My vote would go
for PostgreSQL, but it doesn't matter a lot.

=20

2) Drug interaction db: I think of this as separate from above, but it
is definitely linked.  It is a beast though, as realistically, it needs
to include contraindications with medical conditions, and indications
with medical conditions.  It should allow us to compare a prescription
to other meds, and to the problem list to flag for possible
interactions.

=20

3) I would like to start a project to keep a FOSS ICD-9 db. This is less
apropos to you, as it is an Americal beast, I believe it is not used
anywhere else.  I envy everywhere else in this. :)  But for american
physicians, this would be an excellent opportunity for a FOSS project.
Again, I would be happy to host this.  Any takers are welcome.





So far I have no feedbacks from my last message; I hope that my modest
request for contribution to the TORCH project will be accepted.

I can only plead that I have been very busy. ;)

=20

Now I would like to ask the TTORCH community if someone will be present
at the MIE 2005 Conference ( <http://www.mie2005.net/>
http://www.mie2005.net)? If so please let me know!

=20

I think Jake and I would both love to go to this conference, even if it
was just to get a trip to Switzerland. :)  But unfortunately, our
primary goal is to get a beta out the door by October.  That is were we
will really start being able to involve other people, as we can show
what we have done this far, and start working with add ons.   Every day
I hope we will be able to put the demo up on the web site (soon to be at
www.torchmd.org)

=20

Supplementary I would like to ask the TORCH developers for a short
article describing your initiatives in order to publish this article as
news on the EFMI Web Portal. Web address of the European Federation for
Medical Informatics Web Portal I've mentioned in my previous e-mail (
<http://www.efmi.org/> www.efmi.org or  <http://mirc.gsf.de/>
http://mirc.gsf.de).

=20

Wonderful idea, and I will work on this.  I would like to see it on the
Linux Med News site, and anywhere we could get the word out.  We will
hope to be able to do this by October also.

=20

Let me know what you think about the above.  I look foward to hearing
from you.

=20

Michael Rowley MD

Project Manager

TORCH2

Trusted Open source Records for Care and Health

=20

=20

=20

Re: [Op-torch-general] MIE 2005 and EFMI

[Michael A R. M. <mi...@we...>]

Hey Ruslan,

I apologize for not being more prompt in my reply. Just been busy the =20=

last couple of days.  I am the lead developer on the project.    I am =20=

going to try and address some of your questions first.


> Dear Michael and Colleagues,
>
> I would like to request more information regarding the exiting =20
> possibilities to be involved in your beginnings. Sincerely I=92m very =20=

> impressed about your realisations and in parallel I=92m a little =20
> confused - why you aren=92t promoting more actively the TORCH Project.

Well, I have been the lead developer for a little over a year, before =20=

that the project belonged to Tim Cook, who started the project with =20
the original torch 1.3 version.  Since that time, I have rewritten =20
almost every line of code.  I have advocated torch as much as I feel =20
is reasonable, for a project that hasn't released a stable file yet.  =20=

I am happy to accept any help that is offered, the issue is figuring =20
how where and how you can help. :)

> Regarding my candidature (I hope I would be accepted as one =20
> interested and motivated in development guy J ) please allow me at =20
> the moment to be modest, just have a look at my recent project =20
> http://mirc.gsf.de (unfortunately it is not yet Zope/Plone based =20
> one ):

Here is where the problem lies.  We are not organized enough yet to =20
need help with the code source, and zope/plone/archetypes, while much =20=

simpler than some options, do require a good deal of background.  One =20=

of our developers started recently, has experience in Java, C++, and =20
is a professional programmer, and has had a lot of learning to do =20
with zope/plone and archetypes.  So starting out there is a steep =20
learning curve.  Some of the design things, like CSS, skins, =20
documentation, and background activities, we could certianly use help =20=

with also, but I am not sure where to start! :)

I do have a couple of ideas for features I would like to add that you =20=

could certainly help with, like

   1)  There is no FOSS drug reference that I can find, but have had =20
limited time to research.  I would be happy to host such a beast on =20
my server, and allow people to add information, and updates to it.  =20
This would be a great help to us, and the medical community in =20
general.  Plus this is an animal that is designed around a relational =20=

db model.  We could start the initial project with the DB design.  My =20=

vote would go for PostgreSQL, but it doesn't matter a lot.

2) Drug interaction db: I think of this as separate from above, but =20
it is definitely linked.  It is a beast though, as realistically, it =20
needs to include contraindications with medical conditions, and =20
indications with medical conditions.  It should allow us to compare a =20=

prescription to other meds, and to the problem list to flag for =20
possible interactions.

3) I would like to start a project to keep a FOSS ICD-9 db. This is =20
less apropos to you, as it is an Americal beast, I believe it is not =20
used anywhere else.  I envy everywhere else in this. :)  But for =20
american physicians, this would be an excellent opportunity for a =20
FOSS project.  Again, I would be happy to host this.  Any takers are =20
welcome.

> So far I have no feedbacks from my last message; I hope that my =20
> modest request for contribution to the TORCH project will be accepted.
I can only plead that I have been very busy. ;)

> Now I would like to ask the TTORCH community if someone will be =20
> present at the MIE 2005 Conference (http://www.mie2005.net)? If so =20
> please let me know!

I think Jake and I would both love to go to this conference, even if =20
it was just to get a trip to Switzerland. :)  But unfortunately, our =20
primary goal is to get a beta out the door by October.  That is were =20
we will really start being able to involve other people, as we can =20
show what we have done this far, and start working with add ons.   =20
Every day I hope we will be able to put the demo up on the web site =20
(soon to be at www.torchmd.org)

> Supplementary I would like to ask the TORCH developers for a short =20
> article describing your initiatives in order to publish this =20
> article as news on the EFMI Web Portal. Web address of the European =20=

> Federation for Medical Informatics Web Portal I=92ve mentioned in my =20=

> previous e-mail (www.efmi.org or http://mirc.gsf.de).

Wonderful idea, and I will work on this.  I would like to see it on =20
the Linux Med News site, and anywhere we could get the word out.  We =20
will hope to be able to do this by October also.

Let me know what you think about the above.  I look foward to hearing =20=

from you.

Michael Rowley MD
Project Manager
TORCH2
Trusted Open source Records for Care and Health

[Op-torch-general] MIE 2005 and EFMI

[David, R. <rus...@gs...>]

Dear colleagues,

=20

So far I have no feedbacks from my last message; I hope that my modest
request for contribution to the TORCH project will be accepted.

=20

Now I would like to ask the TTORCH community if someone will be present
at the MIE 2005 Conference (http://www.mie2005.net
<http://www.mie2005.net/> )? If so please let me know!

=20

Supplementary I would like to ask the TORCH developers for a short
article describing your initiatives in order to publish this article as
news on the EFMI Web Portal. Web address of the European Federation for
Medical Informatics Web Portal I've mentioned in my previous e-mail
(www.efmi.org <http://www.efmi.org/>  or http://mirc.gsf.de
<http://mirc.gsf.de/> ).

=20

Sincerely,

Ruslan David, MD

=20

Telemedicine and Electronic Health Record
medis-Institute, GSF National Research Centre
Ingolstaedter Landstr. 1
D 85764 Neuherberg
Tel.: +49/(0)89 / 3187 4180
Fax : +49/(0)89 / 3187 3008
http://medis.gsf.de <http://medis.gsf.de/>=20

=20

[Op-torch-general] Request & Application

[David, R. <rus...@gs...>]

Dear Michael and Colleagues,

=20

I would like to request more information regarding the exiting
possibilities to be involved in your beginnings. Sincerely I'm very
impressed about your realisations and in parallel I'm a little confused
- why you aren't promoting more actively the TORCH Project.

=20

Regarding my candidature (I hope I would be accepted as one interested
and motivated in development guy :-) ) please allow me at the moment to
be modest, just have a look at my recent project http://mirc.gsf.de
<http://mirc.gsf.de/>  (unfortunately it is not yet Zope/Plone based one
):

=20

Sincerely, =20

Ruslan David, MD

=20

Telemedicine and Electronic Health Record
medis-Institute, GSF National Research Centre
Ingolstaedter Landstr. 1
D 85764 Neuherberg
Tel.: +49/(0)89 / 3187 4180
Fax : +49/(0)89 / 3187 3008=20

=20

Re: [Op-torch-general] Things I did today

[Michael A R. M. <mi...@we...>]

On Aug 7, 2005, at 10:31 AM, Ignacio Valdes wrote:

> What is the TORCH site URL? -- IV
>


hey Ignacio,

Currently the site has www.torchmd.org, which has a holder page up.   
I am in the process of getting the torch zope site up, and hoping to  
run the bugtracker, and software dev tools on the same server.  We  
will see :)  there is not much there right now.

Michael

Re: [Op-torch-general] Things I did today

[Ignacio V. <iv...@ha...>]

What is the TORCH site URL? -- IV

On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 23:17:47 -0400
  Michael Rowley <mro...@ea...> wrote:
> Just to keep the information flowing.  I completed a large rework 
>today.
> 
> I have all the catalogs working correctly, at least apparently.  I 
>am  in the process of adding all the catalog defines to the objects 
>we  want cataloged.  I also successfully added the per patient/member 
> catalogs, and will be setting objects to update to these.  This will 
> be a neat trick, as it will allow us to use a ZCatalog to access 
> patient informatino, giving us a very powerful search function, and 
> speed.
> 
> I have the EMR working again, but will dive in and break stuff again 
> soon, as I am going to be rewriting the view and edit scripts to use 
> the ZCatalogs to gather information.
> 
> I know it doesn't seem like we are doing much, but there is a great 
> deal of activity going on in the back ground.
> 
> I also put up a server at my office to host the TORCH site, and the 
> SVN server.  I need a server I have dedicated access to, and that I 
> can thrash if I need to, so I made that move.  We will now have 3 
> developement servers, and SVN should help us keep them linear.  We 
> will see.  The server I set up today will be a dedicated server, so 
>I  will have more freedom to experiment if I need to, and won't feel 
> guilty about hosing someone elses system. :)
> 
> Jake and I are working hard to make it to a milestone to get a beta 
> out the door before the AMIA meeting in October.  I have contacted 
> John-Paul Mead, as he contacted me several months ago, and we hope 
> that we can at the least put a more impressive version of TORCH in 
> his hands by the conference.  Jake and I would both like to be able 
> to go, but as we are both expecting (well, he and his wife, and I 
>and  mine) around that time, and the conference is very expensive for 
>a  gnu project, that may not be possible.  If we can make an arrival 
>for  the Demo, and then hit the road, we may try that.  I have not 
> received word back from John-Paul yet, so will see what we can do.
> 
> Things are progressing.  We are still open to help, there are _many_ 
> things that people could do to become involved, from donations, to 
> web page design, to hopefully soon, testing.
> 
> I will keep you informed the best I can.
> 
> Michael
> 
> Michael Rowley MD
> Project Manager
> TORCH2
> Trusted Open source Records for Care and Health
> 
> 
> 

[Op-torch-general] Things I did today

[Michael R. <mro...@ea...>]

Just to keep the information flowing.  I completed a large rework today.

I have all the catalogs working correctly, at least apparently.  I am  
in the process of adding all the catalog defines to the objects we  
want cataloged.  I also successfully added the per patient/member  
catalogs, and will be setting objects to update to these.  This will  
be a neat trick, as it will allow us to use a ZCatalog to access  
patient informatino, giving us a very powerful search function, and  
speed.

I have the EMR working again, but will dive in and break stuff again  
soon, as I am going to be rewriting the view and edit scripts to use  
the ZCatalogs to gather information.

I know it doesn't seem like we are doing much, but there is a great  
deal of activity going on in the back ground.

I also put up a server at my office to host the TORCH site, and the  
SVN server.  I need a server I have dedicated access to, and that I  
can thrash if I need to, so I made that move.  We will now have 3  
developement servers, and SVN should help us keep them linear.  We  
will see.  The server I set up today will be a dedicated server, so I  
will have more freedom to experiment if I need to, and won't feel  
guilty about hosing someone elses system. :)

Jake and I are working hard to make it to a milestone to get a beta  
out the door before the AMIA meeting in October.  I have contacted  
John-Paul Mead, as he contacted me several months ago, and we hope  
that we can at the least put a more impressive version of TORCH in  
his hands by the conference.  Jake and I would both like to be able  
to go, but as we are both expecting (well, he and his wife, and I and  
mine) around that time, and the conference is very expensive for a  
gnu project, that may not be possible.  If we can make an arrival for  
the Demo, and then hit the road, we may try that.  I have not  
received word back from John-Paul yet, so will see what we can do.

Things are progressing.  We are still open to help, there are _many_  
things that people could do to become involved, from donations, to  
web page design, to hopefully soon, testing.

I will keep you informed the best I can.

Michael

Michael Rowley MD
Project Manager
TORCH2
Trusted Open source Records for Care and Health

Re: [Op-torch-general] Notice

[Michael A R. M. <mi...@we...>]

Thanks for the faith! :)

We are shooting for a milestone right now, to have a beta strength  
project before the AMIA meeting in October.  The scheduling portion  
of the application is coming along, and I am bugfixing the EMR  
portion right now.  As you know, progress is limited by the amount of  
time, and number of monkeys working on it...  Right now I would do  
better with both... :)  Though I have literally thousands of lines of  
new code contributed to now, and the project has been completely  
rewritten.

Michael

On Aug 5, 2005, at 7:32 PM, Tim Cook wrote:

>
> re: http://linuxmednews.com/1123253578/index_html
> I just thought I'd post this as a notice that TORCH (via FreePM) has
> been at the leading edge for several years.  Are you guys going to
> proceed with this project or not?
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
>
>
> -- 
> Tim Cook, Consultant
> CHASE Health Informatics, Inc.
> GPG Key is on key servers everywhere.
>

[Op-torch-general] Notice

[Tim C. <tw...@sh...>]

re: http://linuxmednews.com/1123253578/index_html
I just thought I'd post this as a notice that TORCH (via FreePM) has
been at the leading edge for several years.  Are you guys going to
proceed with this project or not?

Cheers,
Tim


--=20
Tim Cook, Consultant
CHASE Health Informatics, Inc.
GPG Key is on key servers everywhere.

[Op-torch-general] Re: [Egadss-devel] FW: fyi

[Tim C. <tw...@sh...>]

On Mon, 2005-04-04 at 13:11, Morgan Price wrote:
> Congratulations Tim =E2=80=93 TORCH was mentioned in the article below on=
 open
> source EMRs.  Great to see open source in the spotlight

Thanks Morgan.=20
The source story is at:
http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2005/04/11/bisa0411.htm  and features
Dr. Michael Rowley who is the current project director/manager/head
honcho for TORCH.  He is very busy working out some of the interface
issues that plagued FreePM and TORCH.  I expect that he will soon have a
very nice product ready that will be easily adaptable to other countries
since there won't be a need to re-factor the database.

https://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=3D70886

Cheers,
--=20
Tim Cook
Key ID 9ACDB673 @ http://www.keyserver.net/en/

Re: [Op-torch-general] TORCH at Fall AMIA Event

[John-Paul M. <me...@ma...>]

Michael-
   I am not sure how I was chosen.  I subscribe to the AMIA open source 
working group list (os-wg).  There was a call for volunteers, and I 
spoke up.  I was then assigned to TORCH because I know a bit about it.
    I currently have TORCH2 installed on my laptop (OS X.)  I  am not 
sure of the version, but it is a year old:
[
Last modified  2004-02-04 02:45 PM
]
That is from the front page.  I will need to install a new version of 
Zope (if advisable) and then the updated TORCH2.

This will be at the Fall Symposium.  I am not sure when exactly it will 
occur.  Other participants are:
Peter J. Murray
Ignacio Valdez
Guther Schadow
Pat Evans

I would like to talk sometime.  Where are you physically located?
-- John-Paul

On Mar 30, 2005, at 9:12 PM, Michael Rowley wrote:

> Hello John-Paul,
>
> I am glad you are interesed in Torch!   How did you get lucky enough 
> to get this opportunity.  I'm jealous.
>
> We have some new stuff coming up on TORCH2, and hope that we will have 
> some pretty rapid advances made in the near future.  I am currently 
> using OpenEMR in my office, and have used FreeB to do our billing for 
> a two physician office for 6 months now.  I would love to have the 
> opportunity to talk to you about this, and to throw my 2c in on TORCH 
> vs OpenEMR, and the open source market in general.   I think we will 
> have something to show you in 6-8 weeks as far as TORCH goes.  For 
> now, you would only have 1.3 to look at.
>
> Is this the Fall Symposium, Oct 22-26?  If so, do you know what the 
> itinerary looks like? When the panel is to take place?
>
> If we could arrange some time to talk, I would love to arrange to meet 
> with you, either net, phone, or f2f.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 29, 2005, at 11:48 PM, John-Paul Mead wrote:
>
>> I volunteered to be on a 4-person panel discussion of open source 
>> EHRs.  I was chosen to represent TORCH.  The person organizing this 
>> is Pat Evans.  There will be others talking about OpenEMR, 
>> vocabularies, HL7. etc.  I plan this spring to update my build of 
>> TORCH and generate my impressions from there.  Any tips and thoughts 
>> would be appreciated.
>> -- John-Paul Mead, MD
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Michael Rowley MD
> Project Manager
> TORCH2
> Trusted Open source Records for Care and Health
>

Re: [Op-torch-general] TORCH at Fall AMIA Event

[Michael R. <os...@ea...>]

Hello John-Paul,

I am glad you are interesed in Torch!   How did you get lucky enough to 
get this opportunity.  I'm jealous.

We have some new stuff coming up on TORCH2, and hope that we will have 
some pretty rapid advances made in the near future.  I am currently 
using OpenEMR in my office, and have used FreeB to do our billing for a 
two physician office for 6 months now.  I would love to have the 
opportunity to talk to you about this, and to throw my 2c in on TORCH 
vs OpenEMR, and the open source market in general.   I think we will 
have something to show you in 6-8 weeks as far as TORCH goes.  For now, 
you would only have 1.3 to look at.

Is this the Fall Symposium, Oct 22-26?  If so, do you know what the 
itinerary looks like? When the panel is to take place?

If we could arrange some time to talk, I would love to arrange to meet 
with you, either net, phone, or f2f.

Michael





On Mar 29, 2005, at 11:48 PM, John-Paul Mead wrote:

> I volunteered to be on a 4-person panel discussion of open source 
> EHRs.  I was chosen to represent TORCH.  The person organizing this is 
> Pat Evans.  There will be others talking about OpenEMR, vocabularies, 
> HL7. etc.  I plan this spring to update my build of TORCH and generate 
> my impressions from there.  Any tips and thoughts would be 
> appreciated.
> -- John-Paul Mead, MD
>
>
>



Michael Rowley MD
Project Manager
TORCH2
Trusted Open source Records for Care and Health

[Op-torch-general] TORCH at Fall AMIA Event

[John-Paul M. <me...@ma...>]

I volunteered to be on a 4-person panel discussion of open source EHRs. 
  I was chosen to represent TORCH.  The person organizing this is Pat 
Evans.  There will be others talking about OpenEMR, vocabularies, HL7. 
etc.  I plan this spring to update my build of TORCH and generate my 
impressions from there.  Any tips and thoughts would be appreciated.
-- John-Paul Mead, MD

[Op-torch-general] Fwd: [Op-torch-devel] Re: offlist thoughts on TORCH

[Michael R. <os...@ea...>]

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Michael Rowley <os...@ea...>
> Date: February 21, 2005 8:47:13 PM EST
> To: op-...@li..., 
> op-...@li...
> Subject: [Op-torch-devel] Re: offlist thoughts on TORCH
> Reply-To: op-...@li...
>
> Hey Rusty,
>
> Thanks for checking things out.  I am cross posting this to 
> op-Torch-dev and user, as this is worth the read.... :)
>
> On Feb 21, 2005, at 2:52 PM, TMaynard wrote:
>
>> Hello Michael,
>>
>>     I have briefly visited the new test site and I want to thank you 
>> for  keeping Torch 2.0 underway and posting to the rather silent 
>> community.   I  appreciate the communication although I have not been 
>> adding any value of dialogue to the mailing list.
>>
>>    Although inactive now I have to beware of just lurking as an old 
>> participant in torch 1.x . When I visit  the sourceforge resources  I 
>> have to wonder about the reaction of any newcomer.
>>
>>  I believe there is a presentation problem  in the  documents of the 
>> "project":
>>
>> 1.   First on the project content:
>>  The  sourceforge home page link   http://op-torch.sourceforge.net   
>> is forwarded to  openparadigms.com  which is in turn is  forwarded to 
>> www.path.ubc.ca
>>
>> These subsequent  pages confuse a newcomer because the inserted 
>> "homepage" does not give content about TORCH project.
>> What would be better would be a simple holding  page describing how 
>> the new TORCH 2 is  currently using the default Plone presentation  
>> and giving some general examples  of how an EMR  can exist as a 
>> collection of document objects within the Plone framework.
>
> Excellent point.  I need to get the pages changes.  We have registered 
> torchmd.org for our use, and are looking into forming a torchmd 
> foundation.  Once the new page is up, we will be changing the link in 
> source forge.  I hope to have this done in the next week or two.
>
>> 2.  Meanwhile the documents that are displayed in  Docs pertain to 
>> older  version 1.3
>> http://sourceforge.net/docman/?group_id=70886
>>     I think they need more explicit grouping and titles to declare 
>> that these docs pertain to  older  version 1.3 which has a more 
>> specific menu driven presentation.
>
> I will look into this.  The torch 1.3 docs will need to be archived.  
> I have no input into 1.3, and am not working on it at all.  Tim had 
> said at one time that he was going to be working on T1.3 to fix bugs, 
> and add some features.  I don't know if he has had time for this,  but 
> as T1.3 actually has users, I think this is a good thing.  We will 
> eventually need to get the migration path set, so I will need to learn 
> some 1.3 I suppose.  Have my own dragons to slay right now.
>
>>    I realize that  the presentation of  an EMR  using  Plone  default 
>> presentation is the analogous problem  for the actual application  
>> usage, but  the questions above are just aimed at better presentation 
>> for the project rather than the software application.
>>   I have my own problems and doubts about navigating Plone menus  to 
>> reach objects which comprise an EMR, but  that  deserves another  
>> email thread.  I have no doubts that the  tools for managing objects 
>> and their metadata exist in Plone, but (it seems to me) the outermost 
>> presentation layers of Plone are a barrier to participants who would 
>> otherwise be attending to presentation debate down in the deeper 
>> layers.
>
> I am in 100% agreement, and we have essentially abandoned the plone 
> default views, and L&F.  I do not think they are conducive to 
> productivity in a system that will be almost as much content editing, 
> as presentation.  It is hard to see right now on the demo site, but we 
> are working on it. We are currently getting our roles/workflow 
> functional. It is the next major step, and then I think the EMR 
> portion will become useable.  From there it will be fine tuning. :)
>
>> Thanks,  Rusty Maynard
>
> Rusty, I am glad you are still lurking, and your input is always 
> welcome :)  I will let you know when I get these fixed...
>
>
>
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Re: [Op-torch-general] test site

[Tim C. <tw...@sh...>]

On Mon, 2005-02-07 at 05:45, Michael Rowley wrote:
> Hello All,
>=20
> Well, jsut wanted to let everyone know what was going on.  We have=20
> decieded not to release a new package, but instead to put up a test=20
> site.  Things are changing daily, and this is just easier.  so, for=20
> now, go to
>=20
> http://24.99.207.252:8080/Torch/
>=20
> and log in as  User: user with password: password  from there you will=20
> navigate to the user home, there you will see an ehr object, that is=20
> where the goodness is.  We will have a more user friendly face soon.

Michael,

You may want to revisit the security implications of your demo site.=20
Right now the User you mentioned above can add ehr's and add things to
ehr's but the objects are 'visible' not 'published' and therefore the
'user' see's various views and gets various errors because of this.  It
is very difficul tto pint to one problem witht he views that Is why I
thinkit is security related.  A quick solution would be to give the user
Manager role inside their own folder.


HTH,

--=20
Sincerely,
Tim Cook
Key ID 9ACDB673 @ http://www.keyserver.net/en/

[Op-torch-general] test site

[Michael R. <os...@ea...>]

Hello All,

Well, jsut wanted to let everyone know what was going on.  We have 
decieded not to release a new package, but instead to put up a test 
site.  Things are changing daily, and this is just easier.  so, for 
now, go to

http://24.99.207.252:8080/Torch/

and log in as  User: user with password: password  from there you will 
navigate to the user home, there you will see an ehr object, that is 
where the goodness is.  We will have a more user friendly face soon.


Michael Rowley MD
Project Manager
TORCH2
Trusted Open source Records for Care and Health