Menu
▾
▴
octave-dev
|
From: Etienne G. <et...@cs...> - 2005-02-20 19:23:32
|
Hi Todd, On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 08:15:20PM -0600, Todd Neal wrote: # Dr. Grossmann, # # On the Octave Wiki it states: # Hopefully, this is only a temporary fix. This site has been badly # defaced recently. Thanks to David Bateman for repairing the damage, # ringing the alarm and proposing fixes. I have little time for # administration right now, but hope to soon find a solution that # preserves the "wiki" spirit in this site. # # In light of this I thought that there may be enough interest in the Wiki # that it could opened completely. Perhaps it could even be for a test # period, ie. open up full access for a week and see if the community at I left the wiki open by mistake a few weeks ago and had to clean it up shortly after; I don't think it's worth repeating the experiment. The spamming communuty would surely appreciate, though. # large can keep spam to a minimum. # # I believe that the only way for the Octave Wiki or generally any Wiki to # become self-policing is for it to be opened to all users. Without the # ability for anyone to join in easily it may be difficult to grow a large # user base and without a large user base spam may be a huge problem. It # is somewhat of a catch 22. Without a large user base, spam may become # uncontrollable. Without opening up the Wiki for possible spam, it is # difficult to attain a large user base. I don't see why a a large community would discourage spamming. Could you explain? # A possible solution may be to allow some users who volunteer to act as # Wiki administrators and maintain the BannedContent and BannedHosts pages # (http://www.oddmuse.org/cgi-bin/wiki/Banning). This would make it easy # to curtail spamming of the same site(s) and spam from the same few hosts. Thanks for pointing this out to me, I did not know (or remember) about the bannedhosts page. If you want to clean up after spammers and keep updated the bannedhosts, I could list you as an administrator (as soon as I find out how to). Cheers, Etienne # # # Thanks, # Todd -- Etienne Grossmann ------ http://www.cs.uky.edu/~etienne |
|
From: Etienne G. <et...@cs...> - 2005-07-25 16:04:33
|
Hi Randall, I just added your IP. Thx for proposing to help w/ the wiki. Cheers, Etienne On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 08:07:44AM -0700, Randall Schuh wrote: # Cool - my IP is 68.126.150.4. Let me know if you need to shut it back # down and I'll see about getting an account with a static address, # through which I can connect -- someday I need to get my website up and # running again anyway. # # Thanks, # Randall # # On 7/25/05, Etienne Grossmann <et...@cs...> wrote: # > # > Hi Randall, # > # > just send me your IP, I'll add a regexp to match IPs from your # > provider and hope it doesn't host wiki defacers. # > # > Cheers # > # > Etienne # > # > On Sun, Jul 24, 2005 at 09:47:00AM -0700, Randall Schuh wrote: # > # Hi, # > # # > # I have dial-up, so I don't have a static IP. Have you considered # > # going to some form of password protection? Is there any other way # > # that I would be able to contribute to the wiki? # > # # > # I have hated MATLAB documentation for years. This weekend, I started # > # doing some personal calculations and realized how much time I could # > # save by using MATLAB. Then I looked it up and realized how much they # > # charge. Neither am I willing to pay that much nor do I think that it # > # is productive for individuals and small companies to give the # > # MathWorks that much money for relatively simple software. As such, I # > # feel compelled to contribute to the development of Octave. My hatred # > # for MATLAB documentation and my general love of wikiwikis would make # > # the Octave wiki the natural place to operate. # > # # > # Let me know if there's any work around that will let me access the wiki - # > # # > # Thanks, # > # Randall Schuh # > # # > # > -- # > Etienne Grossmann ------ http://www.cs.uky.edu/~etienne # > # > # # # -- # PS I guess I will be calling myself that from now on -- Margit doesn't # like "Randy" (which I never used at work because I thought it would be # awkward for introductions) and I'm getting accusomed to being called # "Randall". Feel free to call me whatever you want -- for my part -- # but be prepared for me to use Randall. # -- Etienne Grossmann ------ http://www.cs.uky.edu/~etienne |
|
From: Etienne G. <et...@cs...> - 2005-09-10 12:50:35
|
Hi Randall, I just added your ips. I hope this works, because I am now away from work and will only be able to do + fixes on Monday. Hth, Etienne On Fri, Sep 09, 2005 at 02:33:21PM -0700, Randall Schuh II wrote: # Hi again, # # I just tried turning my router off and back on a few times and I # received different IP's, but none that worked. # # Editing not allowed for 69.233.38.40 / # ppp-69-233-38-40.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net: user, ip, or network is blocked. # Editing not allowed for 69.226.195.99 / # ppp-69-226-195-99.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net: user, ip, or network is blocked. # Editing not allowed for 69.226.193.192 / # adsl-69-226-193-192.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net: user, ip, or network is blocked. # # - Randall # # Etienne Grossmann wrote: # # > Hi Randall, # > # >I just added your IP. Thx for proposing to help w/ the wiki. # > # > Cheers, # > # > Etienne # > # >On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 08:07:44AM -0700, Randall Schuh wrote: # ># Cool - my IP is 68.126.150.4. Let me know if you need to shut it back # ># down and I'll see about getting an account with a static address, # ># through which I can connect -- someday I need to get my website up and # ># running again anyway. # ># # ># Thanks, # ># Randall # ># # ># On 7/25/05, Etienne Grossmann <et...@cs...> wrote: # ># > # ># > Hi Randall, # ># > # ># > just send me your IP, I'll add a regexp to match IPs from your # ># > provider and hope it doesn't host wiki defacers. # ># > # ># > Cheers # ># > # ># > Etienne # ># > # ># > On Sun, Jul 24, 2005 at 09:47:00AM -0700, Randall Schuh wrote: # ># > # Hi, # ># > # # ># > # I have dial-up, so I don't have a static IP. Have you considered # ># > # going to some form of password protection? Is there any other way # ># > # that I would be able to contribute to the wiki? # ># > # # ># > # I have hated MATLAB documentation for years. This weekend, I started # ># > # doing some personal calculations and realized how much time I could # ># > # save by using MATLAB. Then I looked it up and realized how much they # ># > # charge. Neither am I willing to pay that much nor do I think that it # ># > # is productive for individuals and small companies to give the # ># > # MathWorks that much money for relatively simple software. As such, I # ># > # feel compelled to contribute to the development of Octave. My hatred # ># > # for MATLAB documentation and my general love of wikiwikis would make # ># > # the Octave wiki the natural place to operate. # ># > # # ># > # Let me know if there's any work around that will let me access the # >wiki - # ># > # # ># > # Thanks, # ># > # Randall Schuh # ># > # # ># > # ># > -- # ># > Etienne Grossmann ------ http://www.cs.uky.edu/~etienne # ># > # ># > # ># # ># # ># -- # ># PS I guess I will be calling myself that from now on -- Margit doesn't # ># like "Randy" (which I never used at work because I thought it would be # ># awkward for introductions) and I'm getting accusomed to being called # ># "Randall". Feel free to call me whatever you want -- for my part -- # ># but be prepared for me to use Randall. # ># # > # > # > # -- Etienne Grossmann ------ http://www.cs.uky.edu/~etienne |
|
From: Todd N. <to...@gm...> - 2005-02-21 01:47:46
|
Etienne, Etienne Grossmann wrote: > ... > # I believe that the only way for the Octave Wiki or generally any Wiki to > # become self-policing is for it to be opened to all users. Without the > # ability for anyone to join in easily it may be difficult to grow a large > # user base and without a large user base spam may be a huge problem. It > # is somewhat of a catch 22. Without a large user base, spam may become > # uncontrollable. Without opening up the Wiki for possible spam, it is > # difficult to attain a large user base. > > I don't see why a a large community would discourage spamming. Could > you explain? > I didn't intend to mean that a large community would discourage spamming, only that a large community could more easily combat spam. The task of reverting pages would not fall down to a single user or two and the load of fixing pages could be spread across many multiple users. I usually check the recent pages on any wiki I visit and revert to the last known good page if any of the first few pages look like spam. > # A possible solution may be to allow some users who volunteer to act as > # Wiki administrators and maintain the BannedContent and BannedHosts pages > # (http://www.oddmuse.org/cgi-bin/wiki/Banning). This would make it easy > # to curtail spamming of the same site(s) and spam from the same few hosts. > > Thanks for pointing this out to me, I did not know (or remember) > about the bannedhosts page. If you want to clean up after spammers and > keep updated the bannedhosts, I could list you as an administrator (as > soon as I find out how to). > > We could also borrow the BannedContent page from EmacsWiki to start out: http://emacswiki.org/cw/BannedContent This would hopefully keep spam to a trickle until we could add our own regexes to match and prevent any new spam. I'm not entirely sure how this would work as it may become a game of "Whack-A-Mole" with the spammers. If they routinely use the same ISPs though it may be easier to block entire ISP's that spammers frequent while still allowing the majority of the users to access the Octave Wiki freely. From the OddMuse documentation, it looks like to add an administrator you need to modify the $AdminPass variable so that it contains several passwords separated by a space (http://www.oddmuse.org/cgi-bin/wiki/Passwords). Thanks, Todd |
|
From: Etienne G. <et...@cs...> - 2005-02-21 15:06:17
|
Hi Todd, I just added a BannedHosts page to the wiki. I will not maintain it or clean up after spammers (amongs other things, my wrists have limited typing capacity). I will only re-open the wiki if people on this list take the responsibility to clean up after spammers. Else, I'll just make the front page friendlier. Etienne On Sun, Feb 20, 2005 at 07:49:09PM -0600, Todd Neal wrote: # Etienne, # # # Etienne Grossmann wrote: # > ... # ># I believe that the only way for the Octave Wiki or generally any Wiki to # ># become self-policing is for it to be opened to all users. Without the # ># ability for anyone to join in easily it may be difficult to grow a large # ># user base and without a large user base spam may be a huge problem. It # ># is somewhat of a catch 22. Without a large user base, spam may become # ># uncontrollable. Without opening up the Wiki for possible spam, it is # ># difficult to attain a large user base. # > # > I don't see why a a large community would discourage spamming. Could # >you explain? # > # I didn't intend to mean that a large community would discourage # spamming, only that a large community could more easily combat spam. # The task of reverting pages would not fall down to a single user or two # and the load of fixing pages could be spread across many multiple users. To me, this sounds like pitting people against robots, in a task for which robots are best suited. # I usually check the recent pages on any wiki I visit and revert to the # last known good page if any of the first few pages look like spam. # # ># A possible solution may be to allow some users who volunteer to act as # ># Wiki administrators and maintain the BannedContent and BannedHosts pages # ># (http://www.oddmuse.org/cgi-bin/wiki/Banning). This would make it easy # ># to curtail spamming of the same site(s) and spam from the same few hosts. # > # > Thanks for pointing this out to me, I did not know (or remember) # >about the bannedhosts page. If you want to clean up after spammers and # >keep updated the bannedhosts, I could list you as an administrator (as # >soon as I find out how to). # > # > # # We could also borrow the BannedContent page from EmacsWiki to start out: # http://emacswiki.org/cw/BannedContent # # This would hopefully keep spam to a trickle until we could add our own # regexes to match and prevent any new spam. I'm not entirely sure how # this would work as it may become a game of "Whack-A-Mole" with the # spammers. If they routinely use the same ISPs though it may be easier # to block entire ISP's that spammers frequent while still allowing the # majority of the users to access the Octave Wiki freely. # # From the OddMuse documentation, it looks like to add an administrator # you need to modify the $AdminPass variable so that it contains several # passwords separated by a space # (http://www.oddmuse.org/cgi-bin/wiki/Passwords). # # # Thanks, Todd # -- Etienne Grossmann ------ http://www.cs.uky.edu/~etienne |
|
From: David B. <Dav...@mo...> - 2005-02-21 15:17:04
|
Etienne Grossmann wrote: > Hi Todd, > >I just added a BannedHosts page to the wiki. I will not maintain it or >clean up after spammers (amongs other things, my wrists have limited >typing capacity). I will only re-open the wiki if people on this list >take the responsibility to clean up after spammers. Else, I'll just >make the front page friendlier. > > The problem ith a banned host page is that most spammer come in through proxies, so they just pick a new proxies and try again.. So a bannedhost page is a lame anti-spam measure.. It really needs to be upto date.. If you want an effective measure in the same vain, see http://blacklist.chongqed.org as a means of preventing links that match a certain regex... The people at chongqed keep this upto date, and you can see other links on their pages on how to set this up. Regards david |
|
From: Todd N. <to...@gm...> - 2005-02-21 15:34:07
|
> The problem ith a banned host page is that most spammer come in through > proxies, so they just pick a new proxies and try again.. So a bannedhost > page is a lame anti-spam measure.. It really needs to be upto date.. If > you want an effective measure in the same vain, see > http://blacklist.chongqed.org as a means of preventing links that match > a certain regex... The people at chongqed keep this upto date, and you > can see other links on their pages on how to set this up. > Those regex's can be put in the BannedContent page and that would prevent those sites from being advertised. I don't know how often http://blacklist.chongqed.org is updated but we could grab the list from EmacsWiki to start off with as well. It looks like all that is needed now is for a few volunteers to get an admin password so they can modify the BannedContent and BannedHosts page and check the wiki daily for new spam. Todd |
|
From: Etienne G. <et...@cs...> - 2005-02-22 14:01:18
|
Hi All, this mail is to ask for volunteers who would take the responsibility to : - Repair daily any defacement that occurs on the wiki - Update the bannedhost page of the wiki. Please answer to this list if you're interested. If volunteers show up, I'll open up the wiki. Cheers, Etienne PS I am *not* a volunteer. On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 09:33:59AM -0600, Todd Neal wrote: # > The problem ith a banned host page is that most spammer come in through # > proxies, so they just pick a new proxies and try again.. So a bannedhost # > page is a lame anti-spam measure.. It really needs to be upto date.. If # > you want an effective measure in the same vain, see # > http://blacklist.chongqed.org as a means of preventing links that match # > a certain regex... The people at chongqed keep this upto date, and you # > can see other links on their pages on how to set this up. # > # # Those regex's can be put in the BannedContent page and that would # prevent those sites from being advertised. I don't know how often # http://blacklist.chongqed.org is updated but we could grab the list # from EmacsWiki to start off with as well. # # It looks like all that is needed now is for a few volunteers to get an # admin password so they can modify the BannedContent and BannedHosts # page and check the wiki daily for new spam. # # Todd # # # ------------------------------------------------------- # SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide # Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. # Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. # http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click # _______________________________________________ # Octave-dev mailing list # Oct...@li... # https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/octave-dev -- Etienne Grossmann ------ http://www.cs.uky.edu/~etienne |
|
From: Quentin S. <qsp...@ie...> - 2005-02-22 14:21:42
|
Sorry, I'm not volunteering, but just thinking about things that would make maintenance easier. Does there exist Wiki software there that e-mails updates to a moderator for approval? It seems that maintenance would be easier if someone just had to look at an e-mail and click on an "approve" link for the changes to be accepted. This would need to be combined with blacklisting to minimize traffic. The wiki isn't particularly busy, so I don't think it would be too much of a burden on the maintainer. -Quentin Etienne Grossmann wrote: > Hi All, > >this mail is to ask for volunteers who would take the responsibility >to : > >- Repair daily any defacement that occurs on the wiki >- Update the bannedhost page of the wiki. > >Please answer to this list if you're interested. If volunteers show >up, I'll open up the wiki. > > Cheers, > > Etienne > >PS I am *not* a volunteer. > >On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 09:33:59AM -0600, Todd Neal wrote: ># > The problem ith a banned host page is that most spammer come in through ># > proxies, so they just pick a new proxies and try again.. So a bannedhost ># > page is a lame anti-spam measure.. It really needs to be upto date.. If ># > you want an effective measure in the same vain, see ># > http://blacklist.chongqed.org as a means of preventing links that match ># > a certain regex... The people at chongqed keep this upto date, and you ># > can see other links on their pages on how to set this up. ># > ># ># Those regex's can be put in the BannedContent page and that would ># prevent those sites from being advertised. I don't know how often ># http://blacklist.chongqed.org is updated but we could grab the list ># from EmacsWiki to start off with as well. ># ># It looks like all that is needed now is for a few volunteers to get an ># admin password so they can modify the BannedContent and BannedHosts ># page and check the wiki daily for new spam. ># ># Todd ># ># ># ------------------------------------------------------- ># SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide ># Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. ># Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. ># http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click ># _______________________________________________ ># Octave-dev mailing list ># Oct...@li... ># https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/octave-dev > > > |
×
Want the latest updates on software, tech news, and AI?
Get latest updates about software, tech news, and AI from SourceForge directly in your inbox once a month.
Thanks for helping keep SourceForge clean.
X