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[OctDev] Wiki css, passwords, etc ...

[Etienne G. <et...@cs...>]

  Hi All,

I just did a few changes to the wiki.octave.org. Have a look & let me
know if you think it's an improvement or not. Have a look at the "todo"
below and see if you can help. Summary:

* Colors and (non-) font choice are same as in www.octave.org.

  Unwanted consequence: the lines of '-' that separate ===headers===
  appear dashed, not smooth.

  Todo: How does one fix that?

* Logo image is Lorenz instead of sombrero.

* Main page has sombrero in topleft corner, as in www.octave.org. 
  In order to do this, I cut-n-pasted octave.org's html code and had
  to set $RawHtml to 1, which is bad.

  Todo: does anyone know how to get same effect w/out using raw html?

* At top of main page, I put three sentences of intro & welcome.

Todo: We could have "ScaryOctave" in the same style as "Octave" in
  http://www.octave.org/images/octave-logo.jpg. Can anyone (tell us
  how to) do that?

  Btw, where does "Scary" in ScaryOctave come from?

Todo: Passwords! I didn't figure out how to set a password on
  oddmuse. :-(

  Hth,

  Etienne

-- 
Etienne Grossmann ------ http://www.cs.uky.edu/~etienne

Re: [OctDev] Wiki css, passwords, etc ...

[Quentin S. <qsp...@ie...>]

Etienne Grossmann wrote:

>  Hi All,
>
> I just did a few changes to the wiki.octave.org. Have a look & let me
> know if you think it's an improvement or not. Have a look at the "todo"
> below and see if you can help. Summary:
>
> * Colors and (non-) font choice are same as in www.octave.org.
>
>  Unwanted consequence: the lines of '-' that separate ===headers===
>  appear dashed, not smooth.
>
>  Todo: How does one fix that?
>
> * Logo image is Lorenz instead of sombrero.
>
> * Main page has sombrero in topleft corner, as in www.octave.org.  In 
> order to do this, I cut-n-pasted octave.org's html code and had
>  to set $RawHtml to 1, which is bad.
>
>  Todo: does anyone know how to get same effect w/out using raw html?
>
> * At top of main page, I put three sentences of intro & welcome.
>
> Todo: We could have "ScaryOctave" in the same style as "Octave" in
>  http://www.octave.org/images/octave-logo.jpg. Can anyone (tell us
>  how to) do that?
>  
>

Looks like someone was playing with special effects in GIMP. I'm not 
crazy about that particular "logo" myself, and I think it wouldn't be a 
bad idea to just come up with a new one for both pages.

>  Btw, where does "Scary" in ScaryOctave come from?
>  
>
I seem to remember that it was an imitation of other similar wikis, like 
I think there's a ScaryEmacs. Personally, I think the whole "Scary" 
think is kind of silly and I'd be happy to see the title just be "Octave 
Wiki" or something that more accurately describes what the website is.

-Quentin

Re: [OctDev] Wiki css, passwords, etc ...

[Thomas W. <we...@nu...>]

Am Freitag, den 24.02.2006, 10:08 -0500 schrieb Etienne Grossmann:
> * Colors and (non-) font choice are same as in www.octave.org.
> 
>   Unwanted consequence: the lines of '-' that separate ===headers===
>   appear dashed, not smooth.
> 
>   Todo: How does one fix that?

Change 'dashed' to 'solid' in your .css file.

Regards
	Thomas

Re: [OctDev] Wiki css, passwords, etc ...

[Etienne G. <et...@cs...>]

On Sat, Feb 25, 2006 at 01:25:50PM +0100, Thomas Weber wrote:
# Am Freitag, den 24.02.2006, 10:08 -0500 schrieb Etienne Grossmann:
# > * Colors and (non-) font choice are same as in www.octave.org.
# > 
# >   Unwanted consequence: the lines of '-' that separate ===headers===
# >   appear dashed, not smooth.
# > 
# >   Todo: How does one fix that?
# 
# Change 'dashed' to 'solid' in your .css file.

  Yes! Tanks a lot!

This hint inspired me to do a few + changes in the wiki's
css... Feedback? 

  Cheers,

  Etienne
 
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Re: [OctDev] Wiki css, passwords, etc ...

[Thomas W. <we...@nu...>]

Hi, 

first the off-topic stuff. Do you *really* want email sent to all these
adresses appearing in your reply-to header?

Am Samstag, den 25.02.2006, 11:55 -0500 schrieb Etienne Grossmann:
> This hint inspired me to do a few + changes in the wiki's
> css... Feedback?

General feedback:
<meta name="robots" content="INDEX,NOFOLLOW">
I suggest changing this to "FOLLOW". After all, it's good if web
crawlers index the wiki, isn't it?

<body class="http://wiki.octave.org/">
Such a class doesn't exist. As well, the classes 'header' and 'footer'
don't exist.

For the h3 headers, something like "margin-top: 1em;" might make the
site more readable.

While there are some things in the HTML code that I don't like (using a
table just to align the image left), this is probably inevitable in a
wiki system.

However, I suggest to change the content license from GFDL to GPL (or to
dual-license it). Otherwise, it's not (legally) possible to copy & paste
code from the wiki pages into a GPL program.

Regards
	Thomas

Re: [OctDev] Wiki css, passwords, etc ...

[Etienne G. <et...@cs...>]

On Sat, Feb 25, 2006 at 07:13:47PM +0100, Thomas Weber wrote:
# Hi, 
# 
# first the off-topic stuff. Do you *really* want email sent to all these
# adresses appearing in your reply-to header?

Yes, plz.
 
# Am Samstag, den 25.02.2006, 11:55 -0500 schrieb Etienne Grossmann:
# > This hint inspired me to do a few + changes in the wiki's
# > css... Feedback?
# 
# General feedback:
# <meta name="robots" content="INDEX,NOFOLLOW">
# I suggest changing this to "FOLLOW". After all, it's good if web
# crawlers index the wiki, isn't it?

Iirc, I read swhere that 'nofollow' was what was wanted, but I don't
know the topic well. Iirc, robots (not browsers) get a FOLLOW.You're
positive about 'follow'? Can someone point me to swhere where I can
find out myself?

# <body class="http://wiki.octave.org/">
# Such a class doesn't exist. As well, the classes 'header' and 'footer'
# don't exist.

  How do I change that? It's set around line 1770 of wiki.pl

     my $theme = GetParam('theme',$q->url(-path_info=>1));
     $html = qq(<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">\n<html>)
       . $q->head($q->title($q->escapeHTML($title)) . $html)
       . '<body class="' . $theme . '">';
     return $html;

# For the h3 headers, something like "margin-top: 1em;" might make the
# site more readable.

  Done.

# While there are some things in the HTML code that I don't like (using a
# table just to align the image left), this is probably inevitable in a
# wiki system.

  The latest oddmuse can do it, I just didn't manage 2 do a port
  yesterday.

# However, I suggest to change the content license from GFDL to GPL (or to
# dual-license it). Otherwise, it's not (legally) possible to copy & paste
# code from the wiki pages into a GPL program.

  Opinions anyone?

  Also what r feelings for/against scariness in 'ScaryOctave'?

# Regards
# 	Thomas

-- 
Etienne Grossmann ------ http://www.cs.uky.edu/~etienne

Re: [OctDev] Wiki css, passwords, etc ...

[Thomas W. <we...@nu...>]

Am Samstag, den 25.02.2006, 15:07 -0500 schrieb Etienne Grossmann: 
> Iirc, I read swhere that 'nofollow' was what was wanted, but I don't
> know the topic well. Iirc, robots (not browsers) get a FOLLOW.You're
> positive about 'follow'? Can someone point me to swhere where I can
> find out myself?

http://fr.selfhtml.org/html/entete/meta.htm#robots

I guess french is okay for you :)


> # <body class="http://wiki.octave.org/">
> # Such a class doesn't exist. As well, the classes 'header' and 'footer'
> # don't exist.
> 
>   How do I change that? It's set around line 1770 of wiki.pl

Well, then just leave it like that. If you want to customize the css in
the future, it's still there and doesn't hurt now. I just thought you
had missed something.


>   Also what r feelings for/against scariness in 'ScaryOctave'?

Honestly? Just drop the 'scary'. We should use one name (Octave).

Regards
	Thomas

Re: [OctDev] Wiki css, passwords, etc ...

[Etienne G. <et...@cs...>]

On Sun, Feb 26, 2006 at 12:21:08AM +0100, Thomas Weber wrote:
# Am Samstag, den 25.02.2006, 15:07 -0500 schrieb Etienne Grossmann: 
# > Iirc, I read swhere that 'nofollow' was what was wanted, but I don't
# > know the topic well. Iirc, robots (not browsers) get a FOLLOW.You're
# > positive about 'follow'? Can someone point me to swhere where I can
# > find out myself?
# 
# http://fr.selfhtml.org/html/entete/meta.htm#robots
# 
# I guess french is okay for you :)

Set to index,follow
 
# 
# > # <body class="http://wiki.octave.org/">
# > # Such a class doesn't exist. As well, the classes 'header' and 'footer'
# > # don't exist.
# > 
# >   How do I change that? It's set around line 1770 of wiki.pl
# 
# Well, then just leave it like that. If you want to customize the css in
# the future, it's still there and doesn't hurt now. I just thought you
# had missed something.
# 

Ok

# >   Also what r feelings for/against scariness in 'ScaryOctave'?
# 
# Honestly? Just drop the 'scary'. We should use one name (Octave).

Point taken.



# Regards
# 	Thomas

-- 
Etienne Grossmann ------ http://www.cs.uky.edu/~etienne