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#298 "Mild", "Moderate" "Severe" - potential for HPO terms
Hi All,
As has been raised at least once in the past, there is some inconsistency in the availability of the modifiers "mild", "moderate", "severe". Recently a user was wondering if these concepts would be appropriate for addition to the ontology on their own, so that users would be able to use an official HPO term as a modifier of another. We would certainly appreciate your thoughts on this matter.
Sincerely,
Heather Trang
PhenoTips team member
This is a good idea, and we will be basically mapping these terms to PATO and then making sure there is a good way of keeping track of everything. More to follow. -Peter
Hi everybody,
I have had a look at PATO and thought a little bit about how to create a hierarchy of modifiers. I think we need something like this
modifier
--intensity
--duration
--occurence
--position
--spatial pattern
--not sure how to include SECONDARY (?observed causality)
--response-to-treatment
For many of these, there is a basis in PATO. However, we will need to write our own definitions and probably say that the terms are children of the PATO terms. We will need to add quite a few terms to PATO. Here is what I found:
intensity PATO:0000049
--mild
--moderate
--severe
(additionally need: borderline, profound)
duration quality of a process PATO:0001309
--acute
--subacute
--chronic
(Not sure what to do about PATO term "duration of disease")
occurrence quality PATO:0000057 (Note: this is not consistent, either remove "of a process" from "duration quality" or add it here)
--non-progressive
--progressive
--recurrent
(Note the PATO term sporadic is used in the sense of "recurrent" in scattered intervals, but I do not think this word is optimal, in medicine sporadic means "occuring once out of the blue", e.g. a sporadic mutation)
(Missing: episodic)
position
--distal to (this is a relative adjective, but I think we want the absolute adjective "distal" which I did not find in PATO)
--proximal to (ditto)
--bilateral (Unilateral is missing)
spatial pattern
--generalized
--localised (this is inconsistent, mix of UK and US spellings)
Missing
--refractory
--secondary
Hi Heather and everybody,
I have now developed the new "Clinical modifer" subontology, which addresses Heather's comment. I have tried to put all of the items that we are using as Annotation modifers into this subontology, which should clean things up a bit. Comments, please!
Peter, I addressed these in PATO, were you able to take a look? (in the edit file) I would really like this vocabulary to be available for all the phenotype ontologies. We can reconcile at hackathon.
Hi Melissa,
I think that the use of these modifiers in human medicine is specification of the PATO definitions, but I thought we had decided to basically define them using equivalencies in the OWL version of the HPO. I do not think it is a good idea to use the PATO definitions directly in software like phenotips, and I still think there are lots of issues with PATO. We should try to go through a lot of the sections that are relevant to human disease, I am often not sure why certain terms are there or why certain choices were made for the structure.
-Peter
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Betreff: [obo:human-phenotype-requests] #298 "Mild", "Moderate" "Severe" - potential for HPO terms
Peter, I addressed these in PATO, were you able to take a look? (in the edit file) I would really like this vocabulary to be available for all the phenotype ontologies. We can reconcile at hackathon.
[human-phenotype-requests:#298]http://sourceforge.net/p/obo/human-phenotype-requests/298/ "Mild", "Moderate" "Severe" - potential for HPO terms
Status: closed-accepted
Group: musculoskeletal
Created: Sat Apr 19, 2014 02:51 PM UTC by Heather Trang
Last Updated: Fri Jun 06, 2014 05:52 AM UTC
Owner: Peter N. Robinson
Hi All,
As has been raised at least once in the past, there is some inconsistency in the availability of the modifiers "mild", "moderate", "severe". Recently a user was wondering if these concepts would be appropriate for addition to the ontology on their own, so that users would be able to use an official HPO term as a modifier of another. We would certainly appreciate your thoughts on this matter.
Sincerely,
Heather Trang
PhenoTips team member
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#298I agree that the human and even model organism phenotyping use case is more specific than what might be in PATO, and that PATO is a bit odd ;-). However, we need these terms to be used across the phenotype ontologies, so my suggestion is that they are imported into HPO regardless of how/where we specify them, so that we can have this consistency. I had thought that we could make an HPO specific slim that had the required labels and community-definitions in PATO (this is why I added them there), but of course this could be its own little vocabulary elsewhere as well. The main thing is to take a more modular approach so that we can have better interoperability across all the phenotype ontologies. I would not release anything in HPO until we can reconcile things next week, convenient timing!
-melissa