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[Ntw-devel] Web Site

[Ian L. <dr...@gm...>]

All,

I've done a rather large update to the NTW web site, so it should be a
lot more clear.  Hopefully it will be easier to find information on
there, and the documentation for the C server is now up to date, too.

-Ian

Re: [Ntw-devel] Web Site

[Yua C. <ca...@gz...>]

Very nice fixup to the web site. :)

Just had a thought... what do you think about an ActiveX client ( and lat=
er=20
a Mozilla extension ) so we could "embed" the client into a web page?  I=20
believe the C# could be used with Gtk# ( Gtk bindings for C# ) to create =
an=20
ActiveX component.  Obvious plus would be that the consumers ( users of t=
he=20
clients ) would not have to dl and install the component in a seperate=20
step...

thoughts?

Yua Ca Van

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Subject: [Ntw-devel] Web Site


> All,
>
> I've done a rather large update to the NTW web site, so it should be a
> lot more clear.  Hopefully it will be easier to find information on
> there, and the documentation for the C server is now up to date, too.
>
> -Ian
>
> Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, securit=
y?
> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job=20
> easier
> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geron=
imo
> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=3Dlnk&kid=3D120709&bid=3D263057&dat=
=3D121642
> _______________________________________________
> Ntw-devel mailing list
> Ntw...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ntw-devel
>
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Re: [Ntw-devel] Web Site

[Ian L. <dr...@gm...>]

That's a fantastic idea, you could do some really interesting things with that.

I don't know anything about ActiveX other than it's IE specific, and
I've never written an ActiveX control.  Are you familiar with it?

-Ian

On 7/3/06, Yua CaVan <ca...@gz...> wrote:
> Very nice fixup to the web site. :)
>
> Just had a thought... what do you think about an ActiveX client ( and later
> a Mozilla extension ) so we could "embed" the client into a web page?  I
> believe the C# could be used with Gtk# ( Gtk bindings for C# ) to create an
> ActiveX component.  Obvious plus would be that the consumers ( users of the
> clients ) would not have to dl and install the component in a seperate
> step...
>
> thoughts?
>
> Yua Ca Van
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ian Larsen" <dr...@gm...>
> To: "NTW Mailing List" <ntw...@li...>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 7:11 PM
> Subject: [Ntw-devel] Web Site
>
>
> > All,
> >
> > I've done a rather large update to the NTW web site, so it should be a
> > lot more clear.  Hopefully it will be easier to find information on
> > there, and the documentation for the C server is now up to date, too.
> >
> > -Ian
> >
> > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security?
> > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job
> > easier
> > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo
> > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ntw-devel mailing list
> > Ntw...@li...
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ntw-devel
> >
> >
>
>
>

Re: [Ntw-devel] Web Site

[Yua C. <ca...@gz...>]

I have written an ActiveX component. :)  But that was using MFC. :)  I'll=
=20
look into it more deeply, but, yes... the ActiveX component would only wo=
rk=20
with IE under Windoze, that's why I recommended looking into making the=20
client a Mozilla extension as well. :)

The other benefit to making the client an ActiveX component, on the Windo=
ze=20
side, is that the client could be embedded into ANYTHING that supports=20
ActiveX components... ie, any of the Office products. ;)  ...as well as a=
ny=20
new applications to be developed.

I think that, like the current client, any other client should require up=
 to=20
5 parameters (properties):
1. IP Address * REQUIRED * obviously. ;)
2. Port # - OPTIONAL -
3. location of .ntw file for 1 & 2 above - OPTIONAL -
4. Width - OPTIONAL -
5. Height - OPTIONAL -

The methods we would need would be, other than the accessing of the 5=20
properties, Connect and Disconnect... so 12 total methods:
1. Connect() - connect to the IP Address/port
2. Disconnect() - disconnect from the connection

3-12: Get/Set methods for the various properties.

Other than that, the code in the client.c would be the primary makeup of =
the=20
component. :-D

Yua Ca Van

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distribution or use of the information contained herein (including any=20
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----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Ian Larsen" <dr...@gm...>
To: "Yua CaVan" <ca...@gz...>
Cc: "NTW Mailing List" <ntw...@li...>
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ntw-devel] Web Site


> That's a fantastic idea, you could do some really interesting things wi=
th=20
> that.
>
> I don't know anything about ActiveX other than it's IE specific, and
> I've never written an ActiveX control.  Are you familiar with it?
>
> -Ian
>
> On 7/3/06, Yua CaVan <ca...@gz...> wrote:
>> Very nice fixup to the web site. :)
>>
>> Just had a thought... what do you think about an ActiveX client ( and=20
>> later
>> a Mozilla extension ) so we could "embed" the client into a web page? =
 I
>> believe the C# could be used with Gtk# ( Gtk bindings for C# ) to crea=
te=20
>> an
>> ActiveX component.  Obvious plus would be that the consumers ( users o=
f=20
>> the
>> clients ) would not have to dl and install the component in a seperate
>> step...
>>
>> thoughts?
>>
>> Yua Ca Van
>>
>> This transmission many contain information that is privileged,=20
>> confidential
>> and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the=20
>> intended
>> recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying,
>> distribution or use of the information contained herein (including any
>> reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this=20
>> transmission
>> in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the materi=
al=20
>> in
>> its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format.
>> <----- GZ Link, Inc. (c) 2006 All Rights Reserved ------>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ian Larsen" <dr...@gm...>
>> To: "NTW Mailing List" <ntw...@li...>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 7:11 PM
>> Subject: [Ntw-devel] Web Site
>>
>>
>> > All,
>> >
>> > I've done a rather large update to the NTW web site, so it should be=
 a
>> > lot more clear.  Hopefully it will be easier to find information on
>> > there, and the documentation for the C server is now up to date, too.
>> >
>> > -Ian
>> >
>> > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services,=20
>> > security?
>> > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your j=
ob
>> > easier
>> > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache=20
>> > Geronimo
>> > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=3Dlnk&kid=3D120709&bid=3D263057&=
dat=3D121642
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Ntw-devel mailing list
>> > Ntw...@li...
>> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ntw-devel
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>=20

Re: [Ntw-devel] Web Site

[Ian L. <dr...@gm...>]

Yua,

Unfortunately, I'm out of my area of expertise when it comes to
Windows specific things like this, but it's very intriguing.  If you
can get anything working I'd be happy to put it in CVS and give you
access.  Even supporting just a window, button, and label for a basic
hello world app would be a big start, I could probably add to it from
there.

Another possibility for browser embedding is a Java applet client,
which would be cross-platform and has the advantage that most people
already have Java installed.  I tried to keep Swing in mind when
designing NTW, so a Swing client should be relatively straightforward.

I'll probably work on that after I finish the Lisp server (the end is
in sight) and either the Java or Python server.  I also want to do a
catchy demo app, like a game, that would show off some of NTW's
capabilities.

-Ian


On 7/3/06, Yua CaVan <ca...@gz...> wrote:
> I have written an ActiveX component. :)  But that was using MFC. :)  I'll
> look into it more deeply, but, yes... the ActiveX component would only work
> with IE under Windoze, that's why I recommended looking into making the
> client a Mozilla extension as well. :)
>
> The other benefit to making the client an ActiveX component, on the Windoze
> side, is that the client could be embedded into ANYTHING that supports
> ActiveX components... ie, any of the Office products. ;)  ...as well as any
> new applications to be developed.
>
> I think that, like the current client, any other client should require up to
> 5 parameters (properties):
> 1. IP Address * REQUIRED * obviously. ;)
> 2. Port # - OPTIONAL -
> 3. location of .ntw file for 1 & 2 above - OPTIONAL -
> 4. Width - OPTIONAL -
> 5. Height - OPTIONAL -
>
> The methods we would need would be, other than the accessing of the 5
> properties, Connect and Disconnect... so 12 total methods:
> 1. Connect() - connect to the IP Address/port
> 2. Disconnect() - disconnect from the connection
>
> 3-12: Get/Set methods for the various properties.
>
> Other than that, the code in the client.c would be the primary makeup of the
> component. :-D
>
> Yua Ca Van
>
> This transmission many contain information that is privileged, confidential
> and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended
> recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying,
> distribution or use of the information contained herein (including any
> reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission
> in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in
> its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format.
> <----- GZ Link, Inc. (c) 2006 All Rights Reserved ------>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ian Larsen" <dr...@gm...>
> To: "Yua CaVan" <ca...@gz...>
> Cc: "NTW Mailing List" <ntw...@li...>
> Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 2:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ntw-devel] Web Site
>
>
> > That's a fantastic idea, you could do some really interesting things with
> > that.
> >
> > I don't know anything about ActiveX other than it's IE specific, and
> > I've never written an ActiveX control.  Are you familiar with it?
> >
> > -Ian
> >
> > On 7/3/06, Yua CaVan <ca...@gz...> wrote:
> >> Very nice fixup to the web site. :)
> >>
> >> Just had a thought... what do you think about an ActiveX client ( and
> >> later
> >> a Mozilla extension ) so we could "embed" the client into a web page?  I
> >> believe the C# could be used with Gtk# ( Gtk bindings for C# ) to create
> >> an
> >> ActiveX component.  Obvious plus would be that the consumers ( users of
> >> the
> >> clients ) would not have to dl and install the component in a seperate
> >> step...
> >>
> >> thoughts?
> >>
> >> Yua Ca Van
> >>
> >> This transmission many contain information that is privileged,
> >> confidential
> >> and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the
> >> intended
> >> recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying,
> >> distribution or use of the information contained herein (including any
> >> reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this
> >> transmission
> >> in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material
> >> in
> >> its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format.
> >> <----- GZ Link, Inc. (c) 2006 All Rights Reserved ------>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Ian Larsen" <dr...@gm...>
> >> To: "NTW Mailing List" <ntw...@li...>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 7:11 PM
> >> Subject: [Ntw-devel] Web Site
> >>
> >>
> >> > All,
> >> >
> >> > I've done a rather large update to the NTW web site, so it should be a
> >> > lot more clear.  Hopefully it will be easier to find information on
> >> > there, and the documentation for the C server is now up to date, too.
> >> >
> >> > -Ian
> >> >
> >> > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services,
> >> > security?
> >> > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job
> >> > easier
> >> > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache
> >> > Geronimo
> >> > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Ntw-devel mailing list
> >> > Ntw...@li...
> >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ntw-devel
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>

Re: [Ntw-devel] Web Site

[Yua C. <ca...@gz...>]

A java applet would be a nice way to go about it, Ian. :)

The only problem would be client-side file loading... I still believe that 
NTW needs to have a way for customers to load files to be worked on... like 
the text editor widget is almost useless because there's no way for the 
customer to load/save files.  A good example would be something like Open 
Office/MS Office. ;)  lol.  On a more serious note?  I think a solitaire 
program or a tic-tac-toe program would be fairly trivial to write up. :)

What WOULD be a nice example would be a multi-user application, like a "Chat 
Wall" program that stores text messages in a MySQL db and periodically sends 
the 25 latest messages to the users. :)

Yua Ca Van

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ian Larsen" <dr...@gm...>
To: "Yua CaVan" <ca...@gz...>
Cc: "NTW Mailing List" <ntw...@li...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 3:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Ntw-devel] Web Site


> Yua,
>
> Unfortunately, I'm out of my area of expertise when it comes to
> Windows specific things like this, but it's very intriguing.  If you
> can get anything working I'd be happy to put it in CVS and give you
> access.  Even supporting just a window, button, and label for a basic
> hello world app would be a big start, I could probably add to it from
> there.
>
> Another possibility for browser embedding is a Java applet client,
> which would be cross-platform and has the advantage that most people
> already have Java installed.  I tried to keep Swing in mind when
> designing NTW, so a Swing client should be relatively straightforward.
>
> I'll probably work on that after I finish the Lisp server (the end is
> in sight) and either the Java or Python server.  I also want to do a
> catchy demo app, like a game, that would show off some of NTW's
> capabilities.
>
> -Ian
>
>
> On 7/3/06, Yua CaVan <ca...@gz...> wrote:
>> I have written an ActiveX component. :)  But that was using MFC. :)  I'll
>> look into it more deeply, but, yes... the ActiveX component would only 
>> work
>> with IE under Windoze, that's why I recommended looking into making the
>> client a Mozilla extension as well. :)
>>
>> The other benefit to making the client an ActiveX component, on the 
>> Windoze
>> side, is that the client could be embedded into ANYTHING that supports
>> ActiveX components... ie, any of the Office products. ;)  ...as well as 
>> any
>> new applications to be developed.
>>
>> I think that, like the current client, any other client should require up 
>> to
>> 5 parameters (properties):
>> 1. IP Address * REQUIRED * obviously. ;)
>> 2. Port # - OPTIONAL -
>> 3. location of .ntw file for 1 & 2 above - OPTIONAL -
>> 4. Width - OPTIONAL -
>> 5. Height - OPTIONAL -
>>
>> The methods we would need would be, other than the accessing of the 5
>> properties, Connect and Disconnect... so 12 total methods:
>> 1. Connect() - connect to the IP Address/port
>> 2. Disconnect() - disconnect from the connection
>>
>> 3-12: Get/Set methods for the various properties.
>>
>> Other than that, the code in the client.c would be the primary makeup of 
>> the
>> component. :-D
>>
>> Yua Ca Van
>>
>> This transmission many contain information that is privileged, 
>> confidential
>> and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the 
>> intended
>> recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying,
>> distribution or use of the information contained herein (including any
>> reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this 
>> transmission
>> in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material 
>> in
>> its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format.
>> <----- GZ Link, Inc. (c) 2006 All Rights Reserved ------>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ian Larsen" <dr...@gm...>
>> To: "Yua CaVan" <ca...@gz...>
>> Cc: "NTW Mailing List" <ntw...@li...>
>> Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 2:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ntw-devel] Web Site
>>
>>
>> > That's a fantastic idea, you could do some really interesting things 
>> > with
>> > that.
>> >
>> > I don't know anything about ActiveX other than it's IE specific, and
>> > I've never written an ActiveX control.  Are you familiar with it?
>> >
>> > -Ian
>> >
>> > On 7/3/06, Yua CaVan <ca...@gz...> wrote:
>> >> Very nice fixup to the web site. :)
>> >>
>> >> Just had a thought... what do you think about an ActiveX client ( and
>> >> later
>> >> a Mozilla extension ) so we could "embed" the client into a web page? 
>> >> I
>> >> believe the C# could be used with Gtk# ( Gtk bindings for C# ) to 
>> >> create
>> >> an
>> >> ActiveX component.  Obvious plus would be that the consumers ( users 
>> >> of
>> >> the
>> >> clients ) would not have to dl and install the component in a seperate
>> >> step...
>> >>
>> >> thoughts?
>> >>
>> >> Yua Ca Van
>> >>
>> >> This transmission many contain information that is privileged,
>> >> confidential
>> >> and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the
>> >> intended
>> >> recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying,
>> >> distribution or use of the information contained herein (including any
>> >> reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this
>> >> transmission
>> >> in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the 
>> >> material
>> >> in
>> >> its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format.
>> >> <----- GZ Link, Inc. (c) 2006 All Rights Reserved ------>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Ian Larsen" <dr...@gm...>
>> >> To: "NTW Mailing List" <ntw...@li...>
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 7:11 PM
>> >> Subject: [Ntw-devel] Web Site
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > All,
>> >> >
>> >> > I've done a rather large update to the NTW web site, so it should be 
>> >> > a
>> >> > lot more clear.  Hopefully it will be easier to find information on
>> >> > there, and the documentation for the C server is now up to date, 
>> >> > too.
>> >> >
>> >> > -Ian
>> >> >
>> >> > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services,
>> >> > security?
>> >> > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your 
>> >> > job
>> >> > easier
>> >> > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache
>> >> > Geronimo
>> >> > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642
>> >> > _______________________________________________
>> >> > Ntw-devel mailing list
>> >> > Ntw...@li...
>> >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ntw-devel
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>