noffle-users

[Noffle-users] X-NOFFLE-Status not filled until article read

[Dan J. <ji...@ji...>]

Ugg, for some groups, noffle does not fill in X-NOFFLE-Status until
the article's body has been read.

$ telnet localhost nntp
200 NNTP server NOFFLE 1.1.5
GROUP gmane.comp.gis.freegis
211 714 1 714 gmane.comp.gis.freegis selected
HEAD 685
X-NOFFLE-Status:
X-NOFFLE-LastAccess: 2004-10-24 03:35:00
article 685
X-NOFFLE-Status: INTERESTING
X-NOFFLE-LastAccess: 2004-11-03 08:43:34
HEAD 685
X-NOFFLE-Status: INTERESTING
X-NOFFLE-LastAccess: 2004-11-03 08:43:34

The problem seems to be in groups that are subscribed to in full mode
(on articles who have passed filters, if any were used, or all
articles, if none were used.)

Re: [Noffle-users] X-NOFFLE-Status not filled until article read

[Jim H. <jim...@ac...>]

On 03-Nov-2004 Dan Jacobson wrote:
> Ugg, for some groups, noffle does not fill in X-NOFFLE-Status until
> the article's body has been read.
> 
> $ telnet localhost nntp
> 200 NNTP server NOFFLE 1.1.5
> GROUP gmane.comp.gis.freegis
> 211 714 1 714 gmane.comp.gis.freegis selected
> HEAD 685
> X-NOFFLE-Status:
> X-NOFFLE-LastAccess: 2004-10-24 03:35:00
> article 685
> X-NOFFLE-Status: INTERESTING
> X-NOFFLE-LastAccess: 2004-11-03 08:43:34
> HEAD 685
> X-NOFFLE-Status: INTERESTING
> X-NOFFLE-LastAccess: 2004-11-03 08:43:34

You're right. A HEAD doesn't flag an article as interesting - you have to read
the body for that to be true.

I think the reason for this is the possibility that a newsreader uses HEAD to
read the various article headers required to show the article presence. If that
were to happen, all articles in a group would be marked interesting and
subsequently downloaded. trn, a most venerable newsreader to which I am still
addicted, does a HEAD on the first unread article in a group befoe issuing a
succession of XHDR and XOVER; I suspect possibly it is verifying that Xref
headers are present.

-- 
Jim Hague - jim...@ac...          Never trust a computer you can't lift.

[Noffle-users] X-NOFFLE-Status in gnus summaries: success

[Dan J. <ji...@ji...>]

J> You're right. A HEAD doesn't flag an article as interesting - you
J> have to read the body for that to be true.

OK, then an empty X-NOFFLE-Status must mean the article has already
been downloaded, I hope.

Well I wish X-NOFFLE-Status flags were real simple:
REQUESTED #for download next time or even refresh
DOWNLOADED or FULL etc. # have the full article
HEADER #just have header
etc. maybe add them as an upwardly compatible addition.

Anyways, I can now see the first letter of each X-NOFFLE-Status item
from the gnus summary buffer without peeking further, triggering
unwanted requests. It is in http://jidanni.org/comp/gnus.el.txt.gz

J> trn, a most venerable newsreader to which I am still addicted

well, I bet you can't tell the status of articles there without
"invasive testing", "did I have that spam?", "No, but now it has been
requested".