mysql-cocoa-users

[Mysql-cocoa-users] GPL and Mysql-cocoa

[Chris B. <cbl...@so...>]

Hi,

I just read that the mysql-cocoa framework is licensed under the GPL.  
This means that the following clause is implied: -

You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole  
or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any part  
thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties  
under the terms of this License.

This effectively means that it is illegal to derrive commercial  
software from the framework. Is this the intention of the author? If  
so then is there a way I can license the framework for use in some  
commercial software?

Thanks

Chris

Re: [Mysql-cocoa-users] GPL and Mysql-cocoa

[Kelly H. <kh...@po...>]

yup, that's my understanding. the LGPL is better (the extra L is for  
"library"), as it is intended for frameworks, and allows a commercial  
application to link to the framework without your linking application  
coming under GPL. But having worked with corporate atty's on both the  
GPL and LGPL, even the LGPL has flaws and, for example, Apple won't  
use code coming from either license type unless its willing to Darwin  
everything related to it. There have been revisions to these licenses  
over time, so my information may be out of date.

On Jan 22, 2007, at 1:19:08 PM, Chris Blackburn wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I just read that the mysql-cocoa framework is licensed under the  
> GPL. This means that the following clause is implied: -
>
> You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in  
> whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any  
> part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third  
> parties under the terms of this License.
>
> This effectively means that it is illegal to derrive commercial  
> software from the framework. Is this the intention of the author?  
> If so then is there a way I can license the framework for use in  
> some commercial software?
>
> Thanks
>
> Chris
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Re: [Mysql-cocoa-users] GPL and Mysql-cocoa

[Serge C. <ser...@m4...>]

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Hello there;

Indeed I'd be more than happy to provide a 'usable' licence for the =20
framework... The trouble is that MySQL is GPL (NOT LGPL), so to be =20
able to provide any-one with a non-GPL licence I have to have a =20
licence myself, and you (as a dev. releasing a non-GPL software using =20=

MySQL) need to get a licence for every soft you sale (one lic. per =20
copy as far as I understand).

Now this means that I'm not going into this trouble unless someone =20
tells me (with good confidence) that he's planning to do these effort =20=

for himself... And the price I'll ask for 'commercial' (ie. non-GPL) =20
licence will be close to what MySQL asks me for getting a licence for =20=

myself ...

If you are still interested, don't hesitate to mail me.

Waiting for replies/comments;
Cheers;

Serge.

PS : Indeed this will also be a good incentive to upgrade/maintain a =20
bit more all the framework!

Le 22 janv. 07 =E0 22:36, Kelly Hawk a =E9crit :

> yup, that's my understanding. the LGPL is better (the extra L is =20
> for "library"), as it is intended for frameworks, and allows a =20
> commercial application to link to the framework without your =20
> linking application coming under GPL. But having worked with =20
> corporate atty's on both the GPL and LGPL, even the LGPL has flaws =20
> and, for example, Apple won't use code coming from either license =20
> type unless its willing to Darwin everything related to it. There =20
> have been revisions to these licenses over time, so my information =20
> may be out of date.
>
> On Jan 22, 2007, at 1:19:08 PM, Chris Blackburn wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just read that the mysql-cocoa framework is licensed under the =20
>> GPL. This means that the following clause is implied: -
>>
>> You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in =20
>> whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any =20
>> part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third =20
>> parties under the terms of this License.
>>
>> This effectively means that it is illegal to derrive commercial =20
>> software from the framework. Is this the intention of the author? =20
>> If so then is there a way I can license the framework for use in =20
>> some commercial software?
>>
>> Thanks
>>

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Re: [Mysql-cocoa-users] GPL and Mysql-cocoa

[Steve S. <sst...@ma...>]

On Jan 22, 2007, at 8:27 PM, Serge Cohen wrote:

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> Hello there;
>
> Indeed I'd be more than happy to provide a 'usable' licence for the
> framework... The trouble is that MySQL is GPL (NOT LGPL), so to be
> able to provide any-one with a non-GPL licence I have to have a
> licence myself, and you (as a dev. releasing a non-GPL software using
> MySQL) need to get a licence for every soft you sale (one lic. per
> copy as far as I understand).

Isn't the core MySQL 'C' library LGPL?

There are certainly enough commercial products out there based on it...

S

Re: [Mysql-cocoa-users] GPL and Mysql-cocoa

[Serge C. <ser...@us...>]

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Hi Steve;

Unfortunately, even the 'Core C' library is under GPL since at least =20
4.0.
Before they had a bit of a unusual licence scheme, closer to LGPL.

Serge.

Le 23 janv. 07 =E0 03:34, Steve Steiner a =E9crit :

> On Jan 22, 2007, at 8:27 PM, Serge Cohen wrote:
>
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>> Hello there;
>>
>> Indeed I'd be more than happy to provide a 'usable' licence for the
>> framework... The trouble is that MySQL is GPL (NOT LGPL), so to be
>> able to provide any-one with a non-GPL licence I have to have a
>> licence myself, and you (as a dev. releasing a non-GPL software using
>> MySQL) need to get a licence for every soft you sale (one lic. per
>> copy as far as I understand).
>
> Isn't the core MySQL 'C' library LGPL?
>
> There are certainly enough commercial products out there based on =20
> it...
>
> S
>

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Re: [Mysql-cocoa-users] GPL and Mysql-cocoa

[Chris B. <cbl...@so...>]

Hey everyone,

I called MySQL Headquarters in the U.S. and their pricing structure  
is done on a per server basis. So, as far as I can tell, Serge does  
not need to pay any fees to MySQL because he is not actually using  
the framework on a specific implementation. However anyone using the  
framework needs to pay MySQL approx. 425 GBP per server to use the  
framework, on-top of whatever serge is charging.

Chris

Re: [Mysql-cocoa-users] GPL and Mysql-cocoa

[Serge C. <ser...@m4...>]

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Hi Chris;

Thanks for your efforts, I'll have a quick check directly myself (I =20
really need to be sure before getting any-further), and will try to =20
get this in writing (at least as a mail). I'll post my results here =20
(might take a day or two).

Then I guess I'll have to decide for myself what I'll charge you =20
guys ;-) (most likely a free licence of the soft you're releasing, =20
and a small extra ?)

If anyone wants to make comments on that, feel free (either to the =20
list or to me directly : ser...@us...).

Thanks again Chris for taking the trouble of making the first check !

Serge.

Le 23 janv. 07 =E0 12:03, Chris Blackburn a =E9crit :

> Hey everyone,
>
> I called MySQL Headquarters in the U.S. and their pricing structure
> is done on a per server basis. So, as far as I can tell, Serge does
> not need to pay any fees to MySQL because he is not actually using
> the framework on a specific implementation. However anyone using the
> framework needs to pay MySQL approx. 425 GBP per server to use the
> framework, on-top of whatever serge is charging.
>
> Chris

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Re: [Mysql-cocoa-users] GPL and Mysql-cocoa

[Steve S. <sst...@ma...>]

>> I called MySQL Headquarters in the U.S. and their pricing structure
>> is done on a per server basis. So, as far as I can tell, Serge does
>> not need to pay any fees to MySQL because he is not actually using
>> the framework on a specific implementation. However anyone using the
>> framework needs to pay MySQL approx. 425 GBP per server to use the
>> framework, on-top of whatever serge is charging.

That doesn't make a huge amount of sense as the one responsible for  
licensing is the one running MySQL on the server; i.e. the server's  
owner.

If you write a tool that can be used against multiple servers, and  
you have to pay a license fee per server, in addition to the one paid  
by the server's owner, that would be double-dipping by MySQL and that  
doesn't make any sense.

S

[Mysql-cocoa-users] universal binary distribution

[Camille GOUREAU-S. <ca...@lu...>]

Hi,

I just bought an intel macMini.
I'm trying to switch my softs to it.

I downloaded MCPKit_bin_3.0.1, and replaced the bundled framwork in  
my project.
First problem, it keeps telling me that it has been compiled on a  
ppc. I thought 3.0.1 was UB. Am I wrong ?

I downloaded MCPKit_src_3.0.1 and tried to compile the bundled  
flavour bu some files are missing:
plists files
prefix file.

Where am I doing wrong ?

Many thanks.

Camille

Re: [Mysql-cocoa-users] universal binary distribution

[Serge C. <ser...@us...>]

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Hi there;

This is a long standing question... I really have to test that I did =20
nor screw-up the release, and make a good one.
What I am sure off, is that it works UB on my machine. Unfortunately =20
I don't have a 'clean' machine, so I might miss a few mandatory files =20=

in the release (which never shows up when I'm trying the release =20
version on my mac).

I'll try to take care of that in the 2 coming days !

With all my excuses for the troubles caused by the bug in the release.

Serge.


Le 24 janv. 07 =E0 10:26, Camille GOUREAU-SUIGNARD a =E9crit :

> Hi,
>
> I just bought an intel macMini.
> I'm trying to switch my softs to it.
>
> I downloaded MCPKit_bin_3.0.1, and replaced the bundled framwork in
> my project.
> First problem, it keeps telling me that it has been compiled on a
> ppc. I thought 3.0.1 was UB. Am I wrong ?
>
> I downloaded MCPKit_src_3.0.1 and tried to compile the bundled
> flavour bu some files are missing:
> plists files
> prefix file.
>
> Where am I doing wrong ?
>
> Many thanks.
>
> Camille
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------=20=

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Re: [Mysql-cocoa-users] universal binary distribution

[Jeff K. <kop...@gm...>]

There's a Universal version of CocoaMySQL that I've been using:
CocoaMySQL-SBG and it works great.

http://www.theonline.org/cocoamysql/



On 1/24/07, Camille GOUREAU-SUIGNARD <ca...@lu...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just bought an intel macMini.
> I'm trying to switch my softs to it.
>
> I downloaded MCPKit_bin_3.0.1, and replaced the bundled framwork in
> my project.
> First problem, it keeps telling me that it has been compiled on a
> ppc. I thought 3.0.1 was UB. Am I wrong ?
>
> I downloaded MCPKit_src_3.0.1 and tried to compile the bundled
> flavour bu some files are missing:
> plists files
> prefix file.
>
> Where am I doing wrong ?
>
> Many thanks.
>
> Camille
>
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Re: [Mysql-cocoa-users] universal binary distribution

[Chris B. <cbl...@so...>]

Until there is an official release, try this

http://cocoamysql.sourceforge.net/downloads/MCPKit_bundled.framework.zip

Chris

On 24 Jan 2007, at 09:26, Camille GOUREAU-SUIGNARD wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I just bought an intel macMini.
> I'm trying to switch my softs to it.
>
> I downloaded MCPKit_bin_3.0.1, and replaced the bundled framwork in
> my project.
> First problem, it keeps telling me that it has been compiled on a
> ppc. I thought 3.0.1 was UB. Am I wrong ?
>
> I downloaded MCPKit_src_3.0.1 and tried to compile the bundled
> flavour bu some files are missing:
> plists files
> prefix file.
>
> Where am I doing wrong ?
>
> Many thanks.
>
> Camille
>
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Re: [Mysql-cocoa-users] universal binary distribution

[Camille GOUREAU-S. <ca...@lu...>]

> Until there is an official release, try this
>
> http://cocoamysql.sourceforge.net/downloads/ 
> MCPKit_bundled.framework.zip
It works great.

Thanks.

Camille


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