Is there a way to get the functionality of Ventrilo's phantoms in Mumble?
Basically its a one-way link but only for the user who created the link.(As
far as I know there are only channel-channel links).
Couldn't find an edit button. Anyways I think this may be possible using an
One way link? You mean whisper? That's in 1.2.0. You can whisper to groups,
I think you can do what you want with ACL's, can you be more specific about
what you want to do?
You need ACL "@out -speak".
In Ventrilo there are things called "phantoms".
Basically a user can set a Phantom in that channel without being in it. Once
set the user will hear everything going on in that channel but the people in
the channel won't hear the user.
The problem with using @out -speak. Is that this still works on a Channel-
The User = Joe | The music player = DJ
Imagine I want to set up a channel where one user(DJ) is playing his music
library. Now others might want to listen. Ideally Joe could just right-click
on that DJ's channel and select "Listen(or set Phantom)". Now Joe would hear
the DJ(s) in that channel but the DJ will not Joe. The problem with using Link
in this scenario is that everyone in Joe's channel will hear the DJ, not just
Phantoms are really useful for things like users sharing music or Karaoke
night. "SOME" of the functionality of phantoms can be obtained through Linking
and ACLs but not on a per USER basis. Also, in a lot of ways phantoms are a
lot easier to understand than ACLs.
That would make eavesdropping very easy.
It can be done per user with link and spesific ACL settings for that user.
The example you described could be done with linking and the DJ only
whispering to one of the linked channels.
Hidden Eavesdropping is prevented in Ventrillo by displaying the user as a
member of that channel with a "P" symbol in front of their name. Mumble could
display an icon like an Ear or something.
The problem for using whisper for this is that it requires the DJ to whisper
people. As opposed to listeners signing up.
I still think the best way to solve it is having not only a Link but a Listen
option when users right-click a channel. I do have a music channel that allows
you to link to it if you have link rights in the channel you are currently in.
However, like i said as soon as you make that link anyone in the channel with
you hears the music as well.
I think, this is a good idea to specify a listen option. Maybe do a feature
Know this is an old post, but has there been any update to when/if this
functionality will be added to Mumble?
The inability to do 'phantoms' is the single thing holding our group back from
migrating to it. Everything else is so much easier to do and less system
taxing than Ventrilo, but this is a deal breaker.
We use phantoms during game wars. There will be 4-6 channels with one squad
each, and a command center channel. We want only the squad leaders from the
other channels to be able to listen to the command center channel.
I've tinkered with ACL's with no success, but even then, a simple right-click
'ListenIn' option would be a great addition to Mumble.
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@basher99: What you're asking for can be done with the current ACL setup:
Just stop thinking with the Ventrilo "phantom" paradigm (which I'm not
certain, I do not speak for the Mumble devs as I'm only a contributor, but I
believe "phantoms" as Ventrilo implements them are a "never going to happen"
thing in Mumble) and start wading through the hideously complicated stuff that
can be done with Mumble's ACL and groups.
I think the above-linked example should be at least a little bit helpful, as
it sounds surprisingly close to what you're wanting to do. The @sub meta-group
is still voodoo to me for the most part (outside a few well-understood use
cases) so I'm afraid I can't give you an exact how-to for your particular set
up, but it sounds perfectly doable.
It is very close, and thank you for finding that. However it still has the
pesky problem of everyone in the sub channel being able to hear what's being
said in the linked command channel. That (unless I'm not reading it right) is
a setup to allow the squad leads to be the only ones to speak or create the
link to the command channel.
What would make it perfect, would be if there was a 'listen' or 'hear'
permission that could be denied to @all, and then allowed for those only in
the @groupleader group. The functionality I'm looking for is there, it's just
all in the wrong direction. :\
It's a shame that 'phantoms' or something as easily utilized by users, is not
in the planning. That is one of the single defining downsides I hear from
other guilds when I asked them about Mumble. "It doesn't do Phantoms, so we
Please add phantom listeners guys. This prevents flexible hierarchical voice chat. For example, if I want my squad leaders in my platoon to speak to eachother, they have to make custom binds. We often have several squads up who need to be able to talk frequently in their own rooms but have squad leaders that need their own channel for communication. With mumble this is impossible without making specific binds.
Please don't give me ACLs as an option. This should be as simple as right clicking and adding a listener to a channel!
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