Re: [Mplayerplug-in-devel] CVS Comments

[Kevin D. <kde...@ya...>]

John,

1. Anon CVS is upto date, just checked it

2. Again, something I am looking at and I see the value, but not on a high 
priority. Also, I want to do it right and have not spent the time on seeing 
if the way I think/want it should/to work, will actually work. Think slider 
bar and MUTE and look at the slave interface. I'm not sure the slave 
interface supports mute, as I have to dig into the mplayer code. If you use 
kmix and enabled the system tray icon moving your mouse over the speaker and 
moving the wheel on the mouse adjusts the volume very rapidly, no dialogs to 
open or anything. I wish Windows had that feature.

3. Using the dialog has some issues (more with the internal structures of the 
plugin and threading than the dialog, a pause while the save dialog is up 
seems to be required) and perhaps I'll put it in sometime, but at this moment 
what is in there works ok, but is not completly correct in my opinion.

4. Animated Logo, I doubt this will ever happen unless someone else codes it 
up. (can't see how it be less CPU intensive than what we have now (fewer 
updates, but more data so it seems to be about even)). I'll look at reducing 
the amount of screen status, but to me it is all valuable data and don't wish 
for it to go. 

Buffering is the correct word in this case (Even Windows Media Player uses it)
Buffering is used for a temporary copy and download is for something more 
permanent. So buffering stays.

Messages that currently come out
Buffering
Connect* messages
Playing
Initializing
Loading Media
Might be a couple more, but there really aren't that many status messages.

5. The black background in fullscreen will go in when I can do it right and 
remove it when it is not full screen. I have an idea, but have not tried it 
yet.

If you want to send a patch in, I'll review it and if it looks ok and works 
like I think it should then it will go in. If it is not accepted I'll tell 
you why and we can go from there.

Kevin
 
On Wednesday 07 April 2004 08:13 pm, John McCutchan wrote:
> 1. Okay.. I don't think sourceforge anonymous CVS has been updated.
>
> 2. I try and calibrate everything off a single volume as well, but
> sometimes when I am browsing the web, things will be too loud from the
> plug-in and I hate scrambling to load up the master volume control.
>
> 3. When SF updates it I will. I still think eventually that using
> the toolkits native file saving dialog would make the plug-in feel more
> integrated. Now I haven't seen it in action, but selecting "Save as
> {filename}" and the user not getting any feedback is probably confusing.
>
> 4. I think that having the logo glowing[animated] effect will provide
> enough the feedback to the user that the plug-in hasn't hung. I just
> asked my mother [a non-developer user] what she thought of the verbose
> text in the plug-in window and she said she didn't even understand what
> was going on. I think having an animated logo with a simple one line
> text description of what the plug-in is doing is better then having the
> verbose messages by default. I would go as far as saying that verbose
> status messages make a program less user friendly. I am not saying we
> shouldn't have feedback, but I think it should be presented in a more
> user-centric way. For users all they would want is something like this:
>
> ANIMATED LOGO
> Status message
>
> The logo should be animated so that the user feels like the program is
> still working. The status message should be along the lines of:
>
> - Connecting
> - Downloading 10% 50k/sec
>
> I don't know if Buffering is the right word, most users are familiar
> with the word 'Downloading' instead of 'Buffering'.
>
> 5. You are right about sticking with the theme. But in fullscreen mode,
> Black is the only choice, there is precedent for this in pretty much
> every single movie playing application.
>
> John
>
> On Wed, 2004-04-07 at 14:31, Kevin DeKorte wrote:
> > John,
> >
> > 1. The logo goes away in fullscreen mode in CVS now, it has for about a
> > week. As for the video going back, right click on the grey video window
> > or move the browser window a touch and it will come back. It is an
> > mplayer/gtk2 issue. It does not do that in GTK1 mode.
> >
> > 2. Volume probably won't be in, in the next release. Personally I just
> > use the system volume since I try an calibrate everything to be off 1
> > single volume control.
> >
> > 3. Try the current CVS when SF updates it. I think it will be good enough
> > for now.
> >
> > 4. Even as a non-developer I like to know if an app is doing something or
> > just hung. So for me as a user more status is better. You must have
> > pretty choppy video because it is pretty smooth for me. The [k/sec] might
> > be something I'll look in to, but don't expect it soon.
> >
> > Black background , NO, NO, NO.... I might change it in fullscreen mode,
> > but I will not change it in embedded mode. I'm trying to be a good
> > desktop citizen and RESPECT the preferences of the theme as much as I
> > can. Basically you have three camps: use the theme, use white and use
> > black. If anything I would use white and have in the past, but I think
> > using the theme is the best option.
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> > On Wednesday 07 April 2004 12:00 pm, John McCutchan wrote:
> > > 1. Your right, I didn't have my mplayer setup. Now I get the video
> > > properly scaled, but I would prefer if there was a black background
> > > instead of the standard window background and if the mplayerplug-in
> > > logo and text wasn't there.
> > >
> > > And when I switch back from fullscreen the video isn't shown in its
> > > original window. I was playing the AVP trailer on trailers.apple.com
> > >
> > > 2. Great, it would be good to include in the context menu as well in
> > > case the controls aren't shown.
> > >
> > > 3. What about just using the gtk file dialog of in gtk mode, and just
> > > putting it in the download-dir if running in X mode ?
> > >
> > > 4. It is during the buffering that the cpu spikes. Maybe a more passive
> > > progress meter would be appropriate? For the non-developer just having
> > > a small mplayerplug-in logo glowing with a one line text status below
> > > like "Connecting..", "Buffering.. 1% [50k/sec]" would be easier on the
> > > eyes. A regular user doesn't want to see all the details of what the
> > > plugin is doing. As well, a black background here would be great to.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > John
> > >
> > > On Wed, 2004-04-07 at 10:14, Kevin DeKorte wrote:
> > > > John,
> > > >
> > > > 1. Full screen does scale the image to be full screen...Although it
> > > > scales it proportionally. The Video should at least touch the
> > > > left/right edges of the screen. Are you using XV or X11 modes of
> > > > mplayer? If not then maybe that is why the image does not get bigger.
> > > >
> > > > 2. Been thinking about a volume control.
> > > >
> > > > 3. I'll look into what would need to be done to make that happen.
> > > > Might be some issues around that.. Since I don't want to have to
> > > > build a complete file dialog. Might just be a save button that puts
> > > > it in your download-dir directory or your home directory.
> > > >
> > > > 4. Which redraw is happening to quickly. If you are running in a GTK
> > > > mode all that is handled by GTK. The only one that updates alot is
> > > > the buffering, and that is not any more aggressive than an FTP
> > > > program that is showing you bytes downloaded ie it is updated on the
> > > > blocks downloaded.
> > > >
> > > > Kevin
> > >
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