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Re: [ambient-public] the VIEWID argument

[Paolo G. <pge...@al...>]

on January 7 I wrote:

> from Ambient/docs/arexx.txt:
> 'VIEWID/N: specifies view/widnow ID for which command is executed.

> I want to open a browser with 'LoadURI' and then change the view of the
> same window with 'Viewmode'
> it can be an ARexx example on how to properly handle this task using the
> VIEWID argument???


no answer until now but an old amigacian never gives up :-)
I've found on web the Ambient's source file 'appclass.c' and I understood
everything......

so, the undocumented 'ViewList' arexx command is the method I was looking for!! 
          
regards,
paolo

[ambient-public] the VIEWID argument

[Paolo G. <pge...@al...>]

hello,

from Ambient/docs/arexx.txt:
'VIEWID/N: specifies view/widnow ID for which command is executed. It overrides
msg-> param obj.'

for example:
I want to open a browser with 'LoadURI' and then change the view of the same
window with 'Viewmode'

it can be an ARexx example on how to properly handle this task using the VIEWID
argument???

and, there is a way to close a Ambient window via ARexx?

thanks,
paolo

Re: [ambient-public] SourceForge bugtracker: is it up to date ?

[Christian R. <to...@bi...>]

Hello leo...@fr...

On 07.09.08, you wrote:

> When submitting a bug fix and having a look at the list of the existing
> bugs to verify it hadn't already been added, I noticed there were a lot of
> old bugs (at least 2 years old): is anyone closing the bugs as they are
> fixed, assigning bugs to x or y,... ?

Once upon a time sourceforge.net was working more or less properly
with stable Amiga browsers. But one day it stopped to work and managing
bugitems bacame a huge PITA so Ambient developers looked only very
rarely to the bugtracker (f.ex. I didn't looked there for a year or 
so). And before someone suggests to use a real browser on a real OS
for this task... sourceforge.net website is also a real PITA on my
OSX Mac. The site is so blown up with flash advertisements and crap
it needs 100% CPU usage to have it open, is extremly slow and whatever.
Short: the website just stinks. :)

As most Ambient developers are part of the MorphOS Team the best ways
to report bugs are:

o Ambient Public Mailinglist
o MorphOS Public Mailinglist
o About MorphOS -> 'Report a Bug...'
o irc.freenode.net #ambient
o irc.freenode.net #morphos

All this way will reach the Ambient developers. Enough alternatives 
for the sucky bugtracker on sf.net, I think ;)

regards,
-- 
Christian Rosentreter

MorphOS 2.0 ~ http://www.morphos-team.net/

life as the passing sand; when it is grasped, slips between my fingers.

[ambient-public] SourceForge bugtracker: is it up to date ?

[<leo...@fr...>]

Hi,


When submitting a bug fix and having a look at the list of the existing bugs to
verify it hadn't already been added, I noticed there were a lot of old bugs (at
least 2 years old): is anyone closing the bugs as they are fixed, assigning bugs
to x or y,... ?

Regards

Re: [ambient-public] Suggestions/Questions

[Christian R. <to...@bi...>]

Hello leo...@fr...

On 25.08.08, you wrote:

>> I don't think so. 'Show All' concept must stay. Probably some forced
>> default
>> for Windows users who don't know it differently could be added. But
>> afaik
>> that's there already (see Lister settings).
> Why should it stay ?

> Seems like it's here for the listers.. But I'd like to see all files by
> default in any mode (including icons)...

Like I said an option should be doable. But it must default to off.



>>> Double-click anywhere in an ambient window = goto parent directory :)
>>> Dual Listers ? :)
>> 
>> Ambient is not supposed to become a DOpus clone. If you want DOpus
>> use DOpus. See it like this: Ambient is in the middle between Workbench
>> and DOpus but far more advanced than both of them.
>> 
>> And btw, there are enough broken DOpus concepts in Ambient already. :\
>> 
> I'm not asking for a DOpus clone, but for three usefull features found in
> (not only) DOpus...

It's about mixing up usage pattern and concepts. A desktop should have one
clear usage pattern when it comes to file operations. There is enough mess
and options there already to please almost everyone. Far too much IMHO.
Adding even more will just clutter the stuff to a completly unusable mess
(not only usability and configuration wise, but also from a source code
management point of view).

Wasn't there just someone asking for having less complicated solutions? :)


regards,
-- 
Christian Rosentreter

MorphOS 2.0 ~ http://www.morphos-team.net/

one's fate is very like the up-and-down tea-leaves in a glass.

Re: [ambient-public] Suggestions/Questions

[<leo...@fr...>]

Selon Christian Rosentreter <to...@bi...>:

>
> Hello Nicolas
>
> On 25.08.08, you wrote:
>
> > First of all I wanted to congrat the whole ambient team: a lot of
> > improvements have been made to this desktop. It's now a lot more usable
> > than any workbench clone (besides DOpus) !
>
> > And now here are some suggestions based on the Ambient version included in
> > MorphOS2 (some stuff may have already changed, but I'm not aware...)
>
> > 3. Inline rename
> > --
>
> > Seems like it isn't possible in lister mode: should work here as well
>
> It is, maybe you disabled it in the settings like me.
>
>
> > 3. different views
> > --
>
> > Simplify a lot the views... We have: lister/icons, then in each mode, we
> > have icons, show all, thumbnails...
>
> > That's 3x2 = 6 combinations: that's way too complex...
>
> That's non entirely true.
>
> There are 2 kind of views:  Lister and Icon
> There are 2 flags for both views: Thumbnails and Show All
>
> (don't get confused by the old - and probably soon going away - Cycles in
> the ambient view. Check how it's solved in the context menu or in the
> viewmode switcher button to get the idea.)
>
>
> > I think we should get rid of the show all stuff: this was usefull when we
> > were using floppy disks, but now we should show all files by default.
>
> I don't think so. 'Show All' concept must stay. Probably some forced default
> for Windows users who don't know it differently could be added. But afaik
> that's there already (see Lister settings).
Why should it stay ?

Seems like it's here for the listers.. But I'd like to see all files by default
in any mode (including icons)...

>
> > 4. Desktop
> > --
>
> > Is there a way to align icons on a grid ? Thought it was present in
> > earlier versions but couldn't find it in this version. Volume icons are
> > aligned but not shortcuts dropped on the desktop...
>
> There are aligned. Try to drag'n'drop a shortuct slightly overlapping to
> another one and it will drop to an aligned position. Don't forget to
> snapshot it if you have autosnapshot disabled in the preferences.
Indeed. But grid is smaller than I expected. So in fact when I moved it, it was
aligned using a nearer line... My mistake.

> > Double-click anywhere in an ambient window = goto parent directory :)
> > Dual Listers ? :)
>
> Ambient is not supposed to become a DOpus clone. If you want DOpus
> use DOpus. See it like this: Ambient is in the middle between Workbench
> and DOpus but far more advanced than both of them.
>
> And btw, there are enough broken DOpus concepts in Ambient already. :\
>
I'm not asking for a DOpus clone, but for three usefull features found in (not
only) DOpus...

Regards

Re: [ambient-public] Suggestions/Questions

[Christian R. <to...@bi...>]

Hello Nicolas

On 25.08.08, you wrote:

> First of all I wanted to congrat the whole ambient team: a lot of
> improvements have been made to this desktop. It's now a lot more usable
> than any workbench clone (besides DOpus) !

> And now here are some suggestions based on the Ambient version included in
> MorphOS2 (some stuff may have already changed, but I'm not aware...)

> 3. Inline rename
> --

> Seems like it isn't possible in lister mode: should work here as well

It is, maybe you disabled it in the settings like me.


> 3. different views
> --

> Simplify a lot the views... We have: lister/icons, then in each mode, we
> have icons, show all, thumbnails...

> That's 3x2 = 6 combinations: that's way too complex...

That's non entirely true.

There are 2 kind of views:  Lister and Icon
There are 2 flags for both views: Thumbnails and Show All

(don't get confused by the old - and probably soon going away - Cycles in 
the ambient view. Check how it's solved in the context menu or in the
viewmode switcher button to get the idea.)


> I think we should get rid of the show all stuff: this was usefull when we
> were using floppy disks, but now we should show all files by default.

I don't think so. 'Show All' concept must stay. Probably some forced default
for Windows users who don't know it differently could be added. But afaik
that's there already (see Lister settings).


> This way we would have lister/icons/thumnails mode.

That won't work, see above. 'Thumbnails' is not a mode but a flag.




> 4. Desktop
> --

> Is there a way to align icons on a grid ? Thought it was present in
> earlier versions but couldn't find it in this version. Volume icons are
> aligned but not shortcuts dropped on the desktop...

There are aligned. Try to drag'n'drop a shortuct slightly overlapping to 
another one and it will drop to an aligned position. Don't forget to 
snapshot it if you have autosnapshot disabled in the preferences.



> 5. Listview
> --

> Why isn't lasso selection available in this mode ?

It won't work by design... and honestly it doesn't make much sense in
list mode either.



> 6. DOpus stuff :)
> --

> Double-click anywhere in an ambient window = goto parent directory :)
> Dual Listers ? :)

Ambient is not supposed to become a DOpus clone. If you want DOpus
use DOpus. See it like this: Ambient is in the middle between Workbench 
and DOpus but far more advanced than both of them. 

And btw, there are enough broken DOpus concepts in Ambient already. :\


> FTP :)

Already on the Todo list AFAIK.


regards,
-- 
Christian Rosentreter

MorphOS 2.0 ~ http://www.morphos-team.net/

you notice things if you pay attention.

[ambient-public] Suggestions/Questions

[Nicolas R. <nic...@fr...>]

Hi,


First of all I wanted to congrat the whole ambient team: a lot of improvements have been made to this desktop. It's now a lot more usable than any workbench clone (besides DOpus) !

And now here are some suggestions based on the Ambient version included in MorphOS2 (some stuff may have already changed, but I'm not aware...)

1. Appicons
 --

A special panel that would hold all appicons, or an option to include appicons on a panel (maybe a new "appicon" object that would do that ?)


2. Internal Ambient music player
--

- Why does the player exits after having played a file ? What if I want to play again ?
- Add a little playlist support, so when clicking on a file we may add it to the queue, or replace it
- Add next/prev buttons

I know it isn't meant to replace an audio player. But adding these two options would make it a lot more usefull


3. Inline rename
--

Seems like it isn't possible in lister mode: should work here as well


3. different views
--

Simplify a lot the views... We have: lister/icons, then in each mode, we have icons, show all, thumbnails...

That's 3x2 = 6 combinations: that's way too complex...

I think we should get rid of the show all stuff: this was usefull when we were using floppy disks, but now we should show all files by default.

This way we would have lister/icons/thumnails mode.


4. Desktop
--

Is there a way to align icons on a grid ? Thought it was present in earlier versions but couldn't find it in this version. Volume icons are aligned but not shortcuts dropped on the desktop...


5. Listview
--

Why isn't lasso selection available in this mode ?


6. DOpus stuff :)
--

Double-click anywhere in an ambient window = goto parent directory :)
FTP :)
Dual Listers ? :)

I think that's it.. for now :)


Amicalement,
Nicolas RAMZ.
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[ambient-public] Keyboard shortcuts

[Sławomir K. <gru...@wp...>]

Hello!

I noticed it's impossible to add more than one command for one keys
combination in Ambient prefs/Keyboard settings. If I'm trying to put more
than one command, only the first one survives. Every single command after
that just disappears after clicking on "Ok".


Kind regards
-- 
Sławek "Kamul" Kamiński

[ambient-public] os4emu 2.0 and Ambient 1.43 (30.06.2008)

[Andrei S. <mob...@po...>]

Hello, 

   Tried to play Koules OS4 and found strange behaviour of Ambient (I think
so).
   I have installed os4emu (PatchLoadSegOS4 started from user-startup) and
it works fine when runs from shell. However, Ambient said that os4emu not
installed (you can found requester's image in attachment).

Kind regards
-- 
                                            Andrei Shestakov, Pegasos II

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Re: [ambient-public] My opinion about listers functionality

[<leo...@fr...>]

Selon Christian Rosentreter <to...@bi...>:

> Hi everyone,
>
> After a month of working with MOS2.0 I would like to express that... I HATE
> the
> two "All|List" and "Icons|All Files|Thumbnails" cycle gadgets in Ambient
> lister!
>
> >From 2 up to 4 mouse click are always needed to adjust the desidered view
> mode... ggrrrrr!! And same complications with the optional "Switch view"
> added
> in toolbar.....

I agree. It's way too much complicated...

Not to mention that if you have 10 files (without .icon), and are not in show
all files mode, the status bar will say "10 files": but what the ?? you do not
see them unless you click on show all files...

Re: [ambient-public] My opinion about listers functionality

[Ilkka L. <il...@is...>]

On Mon, 4 Aug 2008, Christian Rosentreter wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> 
> After a month of working with MOS2.0 I would like to express that... I HATE the
> two "All|List" and "Icons|All Files|Thumbnails" cycle gadgets in Ambient
> lister!

I have to admit I dont like it either. It is partially due to old legacy 
and partially due to old habits (like old Workbench works) and much other 
things...

> >From 2 up to 4 mouse click are always needed to adjust the desidered view
> mode... ggrrrrr!! And same complications with the optional "Switch view" added
> in toolbar.....
> 
> IMHO the old Amiga style concept of having a commutation "All Files" ON/OFF is
> now obsolete and meaningless: Why the user should not always want to see all his
> files? MIME recognition works so well that there is no longero need to
> associate icons to data files....
> 
> A single general switch "Show All Files" placed in the main Ambient preferences
> panel would be sufficient. For a contextual switching I think a "#?.info" filter
> when in "List" mode would have more sense.
> This way the two current cycle gadgets could be replaced by two simple, direct,
> less bulky and much more handy toggle "Icons|List" and "Thumbnails ON/OFF"
> buttons, bringing greater functionality and comfort in files management.

Maybe it could be useful if thumbnailing was made global option (use
thumbnail always, use thumbnail only if no associated icon, no
thumbnails). This would reduce cycle gadget to simple switch.

"Show All Files" is still needed for iconview...

Another option could be making three much smaller buttons which only 
switch state. One small toggle button (maybe some nice imagery?) for 
icons/listview, another toggle button for thumbnails and finally another 
one for "show all files" functionality. Cycle gadgets are clumcy but we 
coders love them because they are so easy to implement ;)


  Ilkka

Re: [ambient-public] My opinion about listers functionality

[S. G. <er...@gm...>]

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Christian Rosentreter
<to...@bi...>wrote:

>
> >Hello Paolo,
>
> >dunno if it's just me... but your mail arrived like
> >that for me:
>
> >>From    Christian Rosentreter <to...@bi...>
> >To    mor...@li...
> >Date    Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:06:53 +0100
> >Subject    [ambient-public] My opinion about listers functionality
>
> >Assuming it's not the sf.net list stuff fucking something up:
> >Please don't use my name/ email when you write eMails. Thanks.
>
>
> >On 04.08.08, paolo wrote:
>
> >> After a month of working with MOS2.0 I would like to express that... I
> >> HATE the two "All|List" and "Icons|All Files|Thumbnails" cycle gadgets
> in
> >> Ambient lister!
>
> >> From 2 up to 4 mouse click are always needed to adjust the desidered
> view
> >> mode... ggrrrrr!! And same complications with the optional "Switch view"
> >> added in toolbar.....
>
> >> IMHO the old Amiga style concept of having a commutation "All Files"
> >> ON/OFF is now obsolete and meaningless: Why the user should not always
> >> want to see all his files? MIME recognition works so well that there is
> no
> >> longero need to associate icons to data files....
>
> >> A single general switch "Show All Files" placed in the main Ambient
> >> preferences panel would be sufficient. For a contextual switching I
> think
> >> a "#?.info" filter when in "List" mode would have more sense. This way
> the
> >> two current cycle gadgets could be replaced by two simple, direct, less
> >> bulky and much more handy toggle "Icons|List" and "Thumbnails ON/OFF"
> >> buttons, bringing greater functionality and comfort in files management.
>
> >> Of course, this is only my humble conviction, posted for the curious to
> >> find out if someone agrees in whole or in part.....
>
>
> >While I agree that these Cycles are b*tt ugly (they will be optional
> >later) I prefer the system making a difference between just icon and
> >all files modes, like it is currently. Not everone uses deficons and
> >there are people who just like keeping the old way (including me).
>
> >There is currently a bug in MUI4 (like so many others) preventing to
> >select multiple entries at once from a context menu. If that one is
> >fixed you just have to open the context menu or the toggle view button
> >menu and can select all options at once before closing the menu. I
> >think kiero is working on that fix already.
>
>
> >regards,
> >--
> >Christian Rosentreter
>
> >MorphOS 2.0 ~ http://www.morphos-team.net/
>
> >they are up there looking down on us right now.
>
>
> Hi,
I understand your statement as it was the same for me, but i discovered the
magical shortcuts on the keypad and with "5" and "8" if i recall correctly,
i can do the same veeeeery quickly and it is (for me) efficient.
Only if i could store the display style i want per directory it would be
uber cool :-)

Re: [ambient-public] My opinion about listers functionality

[Christian R. <to...@bi...>]

Hello Paolo,

dunno if it's just me... but your mail arrived like
that for me:

>From    Christian Rosentreter <to...@bi...>
To    mor...@li...
Date    Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:06:53 +0100
Subject    [ambient-public] My opinion about listers functionality

Assuming it's not the sf.net list stuff fucking something up:
Please don't use my name/ email when you write eMails. Thanks.


On 04.08.08, paolo wrote:

> After a month of working with MOS2.0 I would like to express that... I
> HATE the two "All|List" and "Icons|All Files|Thumbnails" cycle gadgets in
> Ambient lister!

>> From 2 up to 4 mouse click are always needed to adjust the desidered view
> mode... ggrrrrr!! And same complications with the optional "Switch view"
> added in toolbar.....

> IMHO the old Amiga style concept of having a commutation "All Files"
> ON/OFF is now obsolete and meaningless: Why the user should not always
> want to see all his files? MIME recognition works so well that there is no
> longero need to associate icons to data files....

> A single general switch "Show All Files" placed in the main Ambient
> preferences panel would be sufficient. For a contextual switching I think
> a "#?.info" filter when in "List" mode would have more sense. This way the
> two current cycle gadgets could be replaced by two simple, direct, less
> bulky and much more handy toggle "Icons|List" and "Thumbnails ON/OFF"
> buttons, bringing greater functionality and comfort in files management.

> Of course, this is only my humble conviction, posted for the curious to
> find out if someone agrees in whole or in part.....


While I agree that these Cycles are b*tt ugly (they will be optional 
later) I prefer the system making a difference between just icon and
all files modes, like it is currently. Not everone uses deficons and
there are people who just like keeping the old way (including me).

There is currently a bug in MUI4 (like so many others) preventing to 
select multiple entries at once from a context menu. If that one is 
fixed you just have to open the context menu or the toggle view button
menu and can select all options at once before closing the menu. I
think kiero is working on that fix already.


regards,
-- 
Christian Rosentreter

MorphOS 2.0 ~ http://www.morphos-team.net/

they are up there looking down on us right now.

[ambient-public] My opinion about listers functionality

[Christian R. <to...@bi...>]

Hi everyone,

After a month of working with MOS2.0 I would like to express that... I HATE the
two "All|List" and "Icons|All Files|Thumbnails" cycle gadgets in Ambient
lister!

>From 2 up to 4 mouse click are always needed to adjust the desidered view
mode... ggrrrrr!! And same complications with the optional "Switch view" added
in toolbar.....

IMHO the old Amiga style concept of having a commutation "All Files" ON/OFF is
now obsolete and meaningless: Why the user should not always want to see all his
files? MIME recognition works so well that there is no longero need to
associate icons to data files....

A single general switch "Show All Files" placed in the main Ambient preferences
panel would be sufficient. For a contextual switching I think a "#?.info" filter
when in "List" mode would have more sense.
This way the two current cycle gadgets could be replaced by two simple, direct,
less bulky and much more handy toggle "Icons|List" and "Thumbnails ON/OFF"
buttons, bringing greater functionality and comfort in files management.

Of course, this is only my humble conviction, posted for the curious to find out
if someone agrees in whole or in part.....


Best Regards,
Paolo  

[ambient-public] Path trouble in shell window

[Vincent M. <vin...@ne...>]

Hello,

When i am opening a window shell using the contextual directory menu in
lister mode and i type the path command, i only have "Current_directory and
C:".
If i open one using the "Ambient" main menu, the path is complete.

Is it possible to correct this ?

Kind regards
-- 
Vincent MORENAS
Amiga and MorphOS user

[ambient-public] arexx question

[Paolo G. <pge...@al...>]

just joined = my first post.... Hi everyone :-)
(& sorry bad eng)

I know 'LoadURI' syntax to open a view at given coords&size.
I'am now writing a rexx macro for some Ambient automation
and next goal is to move/resize lister windows.
Acceptable solution can be to close and re-open same
path lister with the new geometry but I don't know how
a specific Ambient window can be closed directly
(or indirectly) from rexx....
Can it be made?

bye,
 paolo

Re: [ambient-public] locale spanish

[Christian R. <to...@bi...>]

Hello Jose

please contact Jaime Cagigal <jca...@gm...>. I don't
know about current state but there was some work planned or =

in progress already.

But any help is appreciated. :)

regards,
tokai

On 22.08.07, you wrote:

> Hello,

> Anybody has the task of translating Ambient to the Spanish officially? =
If
> it does not have, i would like with pleasure to take that task. Will be=

> member of the group of developer of ambient or morphos? Also I will nee=
d
> to download from time to time ambient-cvs in present state and to raise=
 my
> progresses, the one that there is in ambient-project.org is obsolete (o=
f
> 2007/04).

> Jose Mari Rodriguez
> jo...@gm...

> (Note: I have a pegasos2 and a efika)

> 2007/2/13, Guido Mersmann <ge...@gm...>:

>> Hello Jose

>>> i would like to contribute to that ambient this locating to the
>>> Castilian language (spanish).

>> Well, there is already an espa=C3=B1ol/ambient.catalog. This is the li=
st of
>> catalogs provided with the current Ambient:

>> czech, dansk, deutsch, english, espa=C3=B1ol, fran=C3=A7ais, italiano,=
 magyar,
>> polski, suomi and svenska

>> Guido Mersmann

>> http://www.geit.de


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Re: [ambient-public] locale spanish

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Re: [ambient-public] Drag and drop copying/moving - suggestion

[<ka...@in...>]

Hello!

On 13.07.07 you wrote:

> Here it is:
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php? 
> func=detail&aid=1643410&group_id=131132&atid=720051

OK. So I won't write any bug related posts here until I read once more
all bugtacker contents. I promise. ;)


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and people who doesn't know a binary system.

Re: [ambient-public] Drag and drop copying/moving - suggestion

[Gruber K. <gk...@lk...>]

On 2007. j=FAl. 13., at 12:12, gru...@wp... wrote:

> So maybe it should be added to a bugtracker?

Here it is:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?=20
func=3Ddetail&aid=3D1643410&group_id=3D131132&atid=3D720051

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Re: [ambient-public] Drag and drop copying/moving - suggestion

[<gru...@wp...>]

Hello!

On 10.07.07 you wrote:

> No, It's more than annoying :). And you can't change your mind
> while  dragging the files (you can't press ALT after dragging
> files, neither  you can't release it).

So maybe it should be added to a bugtracker?

Isn't it possible to simply check if alt is pressed exactly in momemnt
when the dragged file(s) are droped to destination lister?

Sorry for the delay, but I had a problem with my e-mail account.


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-- 
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and people who doesn't know a binary system.

Re: [ambient-public] Hidden files

[<gru...@wp...>]

Hello!

On 11.07.07 you wrote:

> Please note that the H flag which you can set with protect command
> doesn't stand for "hidden", but "hold". There is no such thing as
> hidden files concept in AmigaDOS.

That's quite possible. But there's really a nice chaos about this bit.
In AmigaOS 2.0 mannual it's even not mentioned about H bit. But in
DosMan guide (can be founded on Aminet) H is described as hidden
attribute. Also DOpus treats H like hidden attribute.

I'm just wondering: what "hold" attribute could be used for?

> In Ambient/ Workbench icon-less
> files are usually hidden. This behaviour changed with all the
> modern features a bit though... as most ppl will keep all files
> visible all the time these days.

That's right. I personally used hidding files only for a few specific
cases. For example I have hidden T, Clipboards etc. in Ram_Disk:. I
often use ram disk for testing some programs or for temporary downloaded
files. It makes less chaos in ram disk in such a case, if these dirs (t,
clips...) are hidden.


Kind regards
-- 
Slawek "Kamul" Kaminski


There are 10 groups of people: people who knows,
and people who doesn't know a binary system.