[MooseFS-users] Fwd: about moosefs 2.0

[Davies L. <dav...@gm...>]

On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Jakub Kruszona-Zawadzki
<ac...@mo...> wrote:
>
> On 06 Nov 2014, at 14:31, Andreas Hirczy <ah...@it...> wrote:
>
>> Jakub Kruszona-Zawadzki <jak...@ge...> writes:
>>
>>> On 6 Nov, 2014, at 2:51, Neddy, NH. Nam <na...@nd...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Is it still applied to upgrade from MFS 2.0.40 to LizardFS 2.5.2?
>>>
>>> It's BIG downgrade. LizardFS 2.5.2 is similar to MooseFS
>>> 1.6.27. MooseFS 2.0.X is far better, so changing system from Moose 2.0
>>> to Lizard is like changing Moose 2.0 to Moose 1.6. Rather bad idea.
>>
>> As I have written in private mail to Krzysztof I have been burned
>> (slightly) several times when basing core infrastructure on non fully
>> open source technologies.
>
> MooseFS CE is fully open sourced. The only change is license type (we changed it mainly because of Lizards). We just don't want to see more forks. Thats it. I spent almost ten years on programming MooseFS and don't want to see my code destroyed in such way.

Admire your awesome work on MooseFS, I love it very much. LizardFS
means that some people want that MooseFS can become better and better
(including me), but the reality is that the team behind MooseFS is so
closed to community. Building a active community is very important for
open sourced project, see that so many companies profit (or will) from
the open sourced projects from Apache. Open source project with paid
support is a good business today, I think it's better than selling
license of closed software. Maybe LizardFS did not do a good job, such
as it introduce so much dependency without any significant benefit and
I can not easily build it in Mac OS, but it did not destroy MooseFS,
it just means how great of the original MooseFS is.

MooseFS CE is announced as open sourced, but how can we download the
source code without waiting for reply from you?

Filesystem is such a fundamental component in infrastructure, once we
deploy it, we need to make sure that have a chance to fix it (fix it
by ourself or ask help from community). If we rely on the support from
your company (so source code available), what happened if your company
may fail some day? It will be a nightmare to us. So many people love
open source projects, even they are not as good as closed ones. The
source code, the community matters.

>>
>> While MooseFS 2.0 might be more capable than LizardFS at the moment, I
>> seriously doubt you will be able to maintain that position with your
>> current business model.
>
> Will see. But be aware, that this is file system, not some stupid game. Product needs to be sturdy and well tested. Safety of your data is very important for us.
> Do you really think that bunch of guys without experience can manage to create good product? Our product is first installed in our own environment (about 2PiB), and then released, so is very well tested.
>
>>
>> Your group did a very fine job on MooseFS, but I feel I have to move on
>> while migration is easy - this means upgrading to MooseFS 2.x is
>> something I would avoid under most circumstances.
>
> I still don't know why, but it's your choice. At least you should test Lizard and Moose 2.0 by yourself and then make your decision.
>
>>
>> Best regards and thanks for all your work!
>
> Thanks and good luck.
>
>> Andreas
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> Regards,
> Jakub Kruszona-Zawadzki.
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