Re: [Moose-g3-devel] GENESIS development sites and mailing lists

[Michael E. <mie...@gm...>]

Comments inline.

On 9/7/06, Dave Beeman <db...@do...> wrote:
> When is the move likely to happen?  How much time do we have before we
> are forced to do something?

The timing of the move is not critical.  The folks that have been
administering the machine genesis-sim.org is on are currently feeling
a bit short handed and have been pushing for me to deal with Jim's
machines personally.  The easiest, and most sensible from my point of
view, way for me to do that is for them to be moved to my existing web
server at UTSA.

> Is it a certainty that we can't run the present combination of perl and
> sendmail for a while, until we properly set up the new system?  Is it a
> problem of administrators not wanting us to run our own mail server
> through the UTSA firewall?

Correct.  Otherwise, I suppose I could simply move the current machine
to UTSA, get it an IP address here and leave things more or less as
they are.  I personally think this is an excelent oportunity to
"upgrade" and move babel to sourceforge, but thats just my 0.02$.

> Would these same considerations prevent us from running the MailMan
> software ourselves from UTSA?

Also correct. Baring some political roughhousing from Jim, UTSA has
again made it clear that they really don't want us to run a mail
server.  For some semi-reasonable reasons...

> How big of a deal is it to set up MailMan ourselves?  It seems that once it
> is set up, it isn't any easier to manage the mailing list on Sourceforge
> than it would be to manage it on our own machine.  The big advantage of
> Sourceforge is that they have it all installed and set up.  Is that
> correct?

I have never set up sendmail or MailMan myself.  This is one of the
semi-reasonable reasons UTSA doesn't want me to run a mail server,
though there are a whole list of mainly security/administrative
overhead issues cited as well.

I am told it is a bit of a pain to get things working smoothly,
especially running a fairly complicated set up like we would need to
accomidate both my in-house organizational email needs as well as
those for Genesis.

Once it was set up, it would be functionally equivalent to
sourceforge's system (probably) but any lists or email addresses would
have the genesis-sim.org name attached to it (which is nice).

> (2) Should the site for the MOOSE and GENESIS 3 development (including the
> moose-g3-devel mailing list and source code repository) be moved from the
> present Sourceforge site to our own server?

As Joe has already set things up on sourceforge (I haven't been able
to connect to it today, myself to look at it) if those arangements are
satisfactory, why rock the boat?  Especially as running the site on
sourceforge makes it slightly easier for arbitrary developers to deal
with the site (since they already have a SF login to check out the
code).  If people are unhappy with the performance of the SF site, we
can move it at a later date.