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From: Frank A. Zdarsky <zdarsky@in...>  20051209 14:32:53

I'm trying to use MathML Support with MoinMoin 1.5.0beta5, and have patched the sources according to http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MathMlSupport. However, whenever the onload="translate()" statement is added, the "Edit (GUI)"Link does not display anymore. Any solution? Thanks.  Frank Z. 
From: <skip@po...>  20051209 17:31:42

Frank> I'm trying to use MathML Support with MoinMoin 1.5.0beta5... Hijacking your thread... What is MathML? What does it offer beyond the LaTeX macro/parser stuff I installed from the MacroMarket? A quick Google took me to w3.org, and my Firefox instance was able to display some of the test page, though it is missing fonts. Though LaTeX is complex, lots of math types here learned it when doing their dissertations. MathML input doesn't look very much like the equations it encodes... Thx,  Skip Montanaro Katrina Benefit Concerts: http://www.musical.com/katrina skip@... 
From: Paul Moore <p.moore@gm...>  20051210 11:14:36

On 12/9/05, skip@... <skip@...> wrote: > > Frank> I'm trying to use MathML Support with MoinMoin 1.5.0beta5... > > Hijacking your thread... What is MathML? Basically, an XMLsyntax extension to allow incorporation of maths in (X)HT= ML. > What does it offer beyond the LaTeX macro/parser stuff I installed from = the > MacroMarket? Native display of maths, rather than generated image files. Oh, and less complete crossbrowser support :) (Although there's a plugin for IE, if you care about that browser). > A quick Google > took me to w3.org, and my Firefox instance was able to display some of th= e > test page, though it is missing fonts. Though LaTeX is complex, lots of > math types here learned it when doing their dissertations. MathML input > doesn't look very much like the equations it encodes... You might want to look at ASCIIMathML (http://www1.chapman.edu/~jipsen/mathml/asciimath.html) which offers a more TeXlike syntax. It's not directly supported within MoinMoin, but I'd have thought that it wouldn't be too hard to write a macro. (There's some notes on using it on the MoinMoin wiki, but they seem old, and related to older versions of Moin and ASCIIMathML  as well as being quite complex...) Paul. 
From: Frank A. Zdarsky <zdarsky@in...>  20051212 10:08:18

On Friday 09 December 2005 18:32, skip@... wrote: > Hijacking your thread... What is MathML? What does it offer beyond the > LaTeX macro/parser stuff I installed from the MacroMarket? A quick Google > took me to w3.org, and my Firefox instance was able to display some of the > test page, though it is missing fonts. Though LaTeX is complex, lots of > math types here learned it when doing their dissertations. MathML input > doesn't look very much like the equations it encodes... I agree that writing MathML markup directly is neither very appealing nor comfortable. The good news: With the "MathML Support" that I was referring to, you do not have to know or use MathML at all. You simply encode the formula in _LaTeX_ (or alternatively in an ASCII math style) and a JavaScript automatically converts your formulas into MathML markup. As Paul wrote, the advantage of MathML is that formulas display much more nicely together with text than those generated bitmap formulas (and if you're used to LaTeX you're probably concerned about nice layout of formulas ;)). The disadvantage: Only the latest browsers do support MathML directly (Firefox >= 1.5 and upcoming IE versions, I believe), older Browsers need a plugin such as MathPlayer (for IE6). Installing the math support is not so difficult if you follow the instructions on http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MathMlSupport. They seem to be written for an older version, but in principle they work with MoinMoin 1.5 as well (apart from this strange behavior that suddenly the "Edit (GUI)" link does not display anymore). Personally, I do not think that the suggested solution of using the ASCIIMathML.js script to convert formulas at the client is very elegant (let alone requiring JavaScript to be activated in the browser). Another solution would be to have something like "texvc", which is used by other wikis and can convert LaTeX formulas into native HTML, MathML, or PNG depending on the user's preference and browser capabilities. Or maybe WikiTeX ( http://wikisophia.org/wiki/Wikitex#Teng)...  Frank 
From: <skip@po...>  20051214 20:35:06

Frank> Another solution would be to have something like "texvc", which Frank> is used by other wikis and can convert LaTeX formulas into native Frank> HTML, MathML, or PNG depending on the user's preference and Frank> browser capabilities. Or maybe WikiTeX ( Frank> http://wikisophia.org/wiki/Wikitex#Teng)... Thanks for the response. It appears that texvc requires the installation of OCaml, yes? Relying on Javascript here at work is no big deal and would avoid installation of yet another package. Skip 
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