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[Module::Build] .PL files && Module::Build

[Jaap K. <j.g...@st...>]

Greetings,

I'm trying to move a rather large package to Module::Build. It has lot's
of custom built-time config so I moved away from MM a while ago and have
used a hack for a while.

I have to rely on .PL files a lot now to do config stuff and I was
wondering whether there is an interface in Module::Build to get build
variables. Basicly I want to know the run-time equivalent of the
contents of _build/build_params. The hack would be to read build_params
myself, but this won't be portable I guess; also if the user supplies
commandline arguments to ./Build they get ignored. 
If Module::Build does not provide this (yet) I will write a patch that
ads an option to dumps the run-time variables to a tmp file.

Do you plan to have the 'checkdeps' (check dependenies) and
'installdeps' (install dependencies from CPAN) actions ?
Would you include these if I send you a patch ?

Nice work so far, like it better then MM allready :)

	Jaap Karssenberg <pa...@cp...>

PS. sorry for not directly using the list - didn't see it at first

P.P.S. And another question, where do I leave extra manpages for section
1, could there be a equivalent for 'pod_files', 'pod1_files' or
something similar ?

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Re: [Module::Build] .PL files && Module::Build

[Randy W. S. <Ra...@Th...>]

On 1/15/2004 10:01 AM, Jaap Karssenberg wrote:
> Greetings,
> 
> I'm trying to move a rather large package to Module::Build. It has lot's
> of custom built-time config so I moved away from MM a while ago and have
> used a hack for a while.
> 
> I have to rely on .PL files a lot now to do config stuff and I was
> wondering whether there is an interface in Module::Build to get build
> variables. Basicly I want to know the run-time equivalent of the
> contents of _build/build_params. The hack would be to read build_params
> myself, but this won't be portable I guess; also if the user supplies
> commandline arguments to ./Build they get ignored. 
> If Module::Build does not provide this (yet) I will write a patch that
> ads an option to dumps the run-time variables to a tmp file.

What config information do you need? Why? There needs to be a good 
reason for a module to expose any of its private data.

Commandline arguments are not ignored; can you elaborate? What did you 
try? What did you expect?

> Do you plan to have the 'checkdeps' (check dependenies) and
> 'installdeps' (install dependencies from CPAN) actions ?
> Would you include these if I send you a patch ?

One of the first things Module::Build does when it's run is check 
dependencies and then display any that are missing. For automatically 
installing dependencies, see CPAN.pm, CPANPLUS, & Module::Install.

> Nice work so far, like it better then MM allready :)
> 
> 	Jaap Karssenberg <pa...@cp...>
> 
> PS. sorry for not directly using the list - didn't see it at first
> 
> P.P.S. And another question, where do I leave extra manpages for section
> 1, could there be a equivalent for 'pod_files', 'pod1_files' or
> something similar ?

I'm not sure how to answer this one. Why would you have POD that belongs 
in section 1 that does not belong to a script?

Regards,
Randy.

Re: [Module::Build] .PL files && Module::Build

[Jaap K. <j.g...@st...>]

On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 15:17:52 -0500 Randy W. Sims wrote:
: On 1/15/2004 10:01 AM, Jaap Karssenberg wrote:
: > Do you plan to have the 'checkdeps' (check dependenies) and
: > 'installdeps' (install dependencies from CPAN) actions ?
: > Would you include these if I send you a patch ?
: 
: One of the first things Module::Build does when it's run is check 
: dependencies and then display any that are missing. For automatically 
: installing dependencies, see CPAN.pm, CPANPLUS, & Module::Install.

For compatibility with the many other packaging modules it might be nice
to have default support for the "checkdeps" and "installdeps"  actions.
Checkdeps would indeed not add any functionality but some users and
frameworks expect it to be there. Installdeps would indeed use CPAN,
CPANPLUS or Module::Install.

: > P.P.S. And another question, where do I leave extra manpages for
: > section 1, could there be a equivalent for 'pod_files', 'pod1_files'
: > or something similar ?
: 
: I'm not sure how to answer this one. Why would you have POD that
: belongs in section 1 that does not belong to a script?

Perl has it :) Also I want to package a "devel" and a "faq" page with my
program. I know some people argue this should be just one big page, but
I like to keep it seperated, matter of taste I'm afraid.

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Re: [Module::Build] .PL files && Module::Build

[Ken W. <ke...@ma...>]

On Thursday, January 15, 2004, at 09:01  AM, Jaap Karssenberg wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> I'm trying to move a rather large package to Module::Build. It has 
> lot's
> of custom built-time config so I moved away from MM a while ago and 
> have
> used a hack for a while.
>
> I have to rely on .PL files a lot now to do config stuff and I was
> wondering whether there is an interface in Module::Build to get build
> variables. Basicly I want to know the run-time equivalent of the
> contents of _build/build_params. The hack would be to read build_params
> myself, but this won't be portable I guess;

By "run-time", do you mean during "Build test", or after the module is 
installed?  If it's the former, you can use the 
Module::Build->current() method, then use the interface of the returned 
object.  If it's the latter, M::B currently doesn't have much to help 
in this area.

  -Ken

Re: [Module::Build] .PL files && Module::Build

[Jaap K. <j.g...@st...>]

On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 09:20:19 -0600 Ken Williams wrote:
: > I have to rely on .PL files a lot now to do config stuff and I was
: > wondering whether there is an interface in Module::Build to get
: > build variables. Basicly I want to know the run-time equivalent of
: > the contents of _build/build_params. The hack would be to read
: > build_params myself, but this won't be portable I guess;
: 
: By "run-time", do you mean during "Build test", or after the module is
: 
: installed?  If it's the former, you can use the 
: Module::Build->current() method, then use the interface of the
: returned object.  If it's the latter, M::B currently doesn't have much
: to help in this area.

I need the former to "compile" values into my program so I can
accomplish the later :) The Module::Build->current() method will do
nicely, thanks.

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