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[Modeling-users] using modeling with plone/zope

[Kevin <py...@pr...>]

Hello-
I just recently ran into finding the modeling framework.  Given my 
history with NeXT / Apple tools, I am pretty excited about it. 

I am looking for tools to build a new application, and have recently 
turned towards python (I am an old Objective C hack)

I am wondering-

1.  What do those of you with similar past (WOF/EOF) use for the web 
application layer?  That is, what do you use to map business objects to 
webpages with?

2.  Has anyone used Modeling with plone/zope?  Any strong biases about 
this ("don't do it" or "do this instead")?

Thanks.
Kevin

Re: [Modeling-users] using modeling with plone/zope

[Mario R. <ma...@ru...>]

Hello!

I know that Sebastien has used modeling with zope, and I'm sure he'll 
comment about that shortly... (hey, maybe he is on a well-deserved 
holiday?) I had never worked with the WOF/EOF framework, but was always 
attracted to the concept. And, I have never used zope with modeling 
either... the last application i used modeling in has been with the 
cherrypy.org appserver , and i found the two to work very nicely 
together, or rather there is zero interference from one onto the other.

Cheers, mario


On May 30, 2004, at 8:27 PM, Kevin wrote:
>
> Hello-
> I just recently ran into finding the modeling framework.  Given my 
> history with NeXT / Apple tools, I am pretty excited about it.
> I am looking for tools to build a new application, and have recently 
> turned towards python (I am an old Objective C hack)
>
> I am wondering-
>
> 1.  What do those of you with similar past (WOF/EOF) use for the web 
> application layer?  That is, what do you use to map business objects 
> to webpages with?
>
> 2.  Has anyone used Modeling with plone/zope?  Any strong biases about 
> this ("don't do it" or "do this instead")?
>
> Thanks.
> Kevin

Re: [Modeling-users] using modeling with plone/zope

[Kevin <py...@pr...>]

Mario, and others,

Is there a clearing house for information about the different 
application frameworks (cherrypy, zope, others) that I could look at?  
If there is a good clearing house, please let me know. I have not found 
many articles that go in depth about the distintions between the tools, 
as one might find in some of the other languages....  (I have looked, 
just have not been successful yet.)

Thanks for your note!

Kevin

Mario Ruggier wrote:

> Hello!
>
> I know that Sebastien has used modeling with zope, and I'm sure he'll 
> comment about that shortly... (hey, maybe he is on a well-deserved 
> holiday?) I had never worked with the WOF/EOF framework, but was 
> always attracted to the concept. And, I have never used zope with 
> modeling either... the last application i used modeling in has been 
> with the cherrypy.org appserver , and i found the two to work very 
> nicely together, or rather there is zero interference from one onto 
> the other.
>
> Cheers, mario
>
>
> On May 30, 2004, at 8:27 PM, Kevin wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello-
>> I just recently ran into finding the modeling framework.  Given my 
>> history with NeXT / Apple tools, I am pretty excited about it.
>> I am looking for tools to build a new application, and have recently 
>> turned towards python (I am an old Objective C hack)
>>
>> I am wondering-
>>
>> 1.  What do those of you with similar past (WOF/EOF) use for the web 
>> application layer?  That is, what do you use to map business objects 
>> to webpages with?
>>
>> 2.  Has anyone used Modeling with plone/zope?  Any strong biases 
>> about this ("don't do it" or "do this instead")?
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Kevin
>
>
>
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Re: [Modeling-users] using modeling with plone/zope

[Sebastien B. <sbi...@us...>]

        Hi all,

> On May 30, 2004, at 8:27 PM, Kevin wrote:
> >
> > Hello-
> > I just recently ran into finding the modeling framework.  Given my=20
> > history with NeXT / Apple tools, I am pretty excited about it.
> > I am looking for tools to build a new application, and have recently=20
> > turned towards python (I am an old Objective C hack)
> >
> > I am wondering-
> >
> > 1.  What do those of you with similar past (WOF/EOF) use for the web=20
> > application layer?  That is, what do you use to map business objects=20
> > to webpages with?
> >

I still occasionnally do. We discussed this topic here:

http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=3D3851846&forum_id=
=3D10674

Agreed, this  is not an extensive  description, so feel free  to ask for
more.  To summarize,  I'm using pure-python for the  business logic, and
Products in  zope as VC components  --Zope Products can be  viewed as WO
components, the zpt  being the .wod+.html stuff, and  the python part of
the product the component.java.

Mario Ruggier <ma...@ru...> wrote:
> Hello!
>=20
> I know that Sebastien has used modeling with zope, and I'm sure he'll=20
> comment about that shortly... (hey, maybe he is on a well-deserved=20
> holiday?)

I wish I  was in holidays!  In fact some nasty  hardware problems hit me
on my personal  machine, and since I've little time  for that things are
slowly evolving; most of the datas, incl. current work on the project is
now recovered, I still need to reinstall a whole system --big part being
reinstalling the test oracle dbs...

> > 2.  Has anyone used Modeling with plone/zope?  Any strong biases about=
=20
> > this ("don't do it" or "do this instead")?

Well, as you'll read in the  thread referenced above my approach w/ zope
/ plone was MVC-like, w/ business-logic coded in pure python and brought
to the  zope app.  server through dedicated  Products. The  only problem
people are  ranting about  is the absence  of optimistic  locking, which
hopefully will eventually come up soon.

Kevin <py...@pr...> wrote:
> Is there a clearing house for information about the different application
> frameworks (cherrypy, zope, others) that I could look at?  If there is a =
good
> clearing house, please let me know. I have not found many articles that g=
o in
> depth about the distintions between the tools, as one might find in some =
of
> the other languages....  (I have looked, just have not been successful ye=
t.)

Sorry, I don't know. A google search for "zope comparison" seems to show
some documents, and dedicated  search "comparison webware" e.g. leads to
other results. Seems like you have  a bunch of separate opinions to read
and  summarize...  BTW,  you  may   be  luckier  if  you  ask  dedicated
mailing-lists,  such as  the ones  for zope,  webware, etc.   If  by any
chance you end-up  with a link, or even with writing  your own, we'll be
interested here ;)


-- S=E9bastien.

Re: [Modeling-users] using modeling with plone/zope

[Mario R. <ma...@ru...>]

Hello S=E9bastien!

nice to hear from you again... funny I also had a hard disk crash=20
recently ;( A real pain...

> Kevin <py...@pr...> wrote:
>> Is there a clearing house for information about the different=20
>> application
>> frameworks (cherrypy, zope, others) that I could look at?  If there=20=

>> is a good
>> clearing house, please let me know. I have not found many articles=20
>> that go in
>> depth about the distintions between the tools, as one might find in=20=

>> some of
>> the other languages....  (I have looked, just have not been=20
>> successful yet.)
>
> Sorry, I don't know. A google search for "zope comparison" seems to=20
> show
> some documents, and dedicated  search "comparison webware" e.g. leads=20=

> to
> other results. Seems like you have  a bunch of separate opinions to=20
> read
> and  summarize...  BTW,  you  may   be  luckier  if  you  ask =20
> dedicated
> mailing-lists,  such as  the ones  for zope,  webware, etc.   If  by=20=

> any
> chance you end-up  with a link, or even with writing  your own, we'll=20=

> be
> interested here ;)

In case you are not aware of these resources:

WebProgramming - PythonInfo Wiki
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/moinmoin/WebProgramming
Lots of links, also to all known frameworks, plus a new article w.r.t.=20=

j2ee

The Web Framework Shootout
http://colorstudy.com/docs/shootout.html
Nice comparison, also with a sample app for some

Python Web Programming: Web Application Frameworks
http://www.informit.com/articles/article.asp?p=3D26860&redir=3D1
Long article, just discovered it... not read yet.


Cheers, mario
 =20=

Re: [Modeling-users] using modeling with plone/zope

[Kevin <py...@pr...>]

Thanks Mario, Thanks Sebastian.  I will look these links over, and I 
will certainly share comparisons that I do as well as others that I find.

Thanks again!
Kevin