Re: [Modeling-users] using modeling with plone/zope

[Sebastien B. <sbi...@us...>]

        Hi all,

> On May 30, 2004, at 8:27 PM, Kevin wrote:
> >
> > Hello-
> > I just recently ran into finding the modeling framework.  Given my=20
> > history with NeXT / Apple tools, I am pretty excited about it.
> > I am looking for tools to build a new application, and have recently=20
> > turned towards python (I am an old Objective C hack)
> >
> > I am wondering-
> >
> > 1.  What do those of you with similar past (WOF/EOF) use for the web=20
> > application layer?  That is, what do you use to map business objects=20
> > to webpages with?
> >

I still occasionnally do. We discussed this topic here:

http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=3D3851846&forum_id=
=3D10674

Agreed, this  is not an extensive  description, so feel free  to ask for
more.  To summarize,  I'm using pure-python for the  business logic, and
Products in  zope as VC components  --Zope Products can be  viewed as WO
components, the zpt  being the .wod+.html stuff, and  the python part of
the product the component.java.

Mario Ruggier <ma...@ru...> wrote:
> Hello!
>=20
> I know that Sebastien has used modeling with zope, and I'm sure he'll=20
> comment about that shortly... (hey, maybe he is on a well-deserved=20
> holiday?)

I wish I  was in holidays!  In fact some nasty  hardware problems hit me
on my personal  machine, and since I've little time  for that things are
slowly evolving; most of the datas, incl. current work on the project is
now recovered, I still need to reinstall a whole system --big part being
reinstalling the test oracle dbs...

> > 2.  Has anyone used Modeling with plone/zope?  Any strong biases about=
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> > this ("don't do it" or "do this instead")?

Well, as you'll read in the  thread referenced above my approach w/ zope
/ plone was MVC-like, w/ business-logic coded in pure python and brought
to the  zope app.  server through dedicated  Products. The  only problem
people are  ranting about  is the absence  of optimistic  locking, which
hopefully will eventually come up soon.

Kevin <py...@pr...> wrote:
> Is there a clearing house for information about the different application
> frameworks (cherrypy, zope, others) that I could look at?  If there is a =
good
> clearing house, please let me know. I have not found many articles that g=
o in
> depth about the distintions between the tools, as one might find in some =
of
> the other languages....  (I have looked, just have not been successful ye=
t.)

Sorry, I don't know. A google search for "zope comparison" seems to show
some documents, and dedicated  search "comparison webware" e.g. leads to
other results. Seems like you have  a bunch of separate opinions to read
and  summarize...  BTW,  you  may   be  luckier  if  you  ask  dedicated
mailing-lists,  such as  the ones  for zope,  webware, etc.   If  by any
chance you end-up  with a link, or even with writing  your own, we'll be
interested here ;)


-- S=E9bastien.