Thread: [Mod-pubsub-developer] Wednesday meeting?

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Hey guys,

Is there any way we could move the meeting from Wednesday to some other day
this week?  Please suggest other times you can or can't meet, JP

On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 06:05:02PM -0800, Joyce Park wrote:
> Is there any way we could move the meeting from Wednesday to some other day
> this week?  Please suggest other times you can or can't meet, JP

I'm busy Tuesday and Thursday, and tonight is probably too short notice
for everyone else.  Friday's open, but of course Wednesday is better.

I've asked permission to use our offices for meeting space.  I'll hear
back tonight.

OK, how about Wednesday of next week?  That would be April 7th.  JP

--- Kragen Sitaker <kra...@ai...> wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 06:05:02PM -0800, Joyce Park wrote:
> > Is there any way we could move the meeting from Wednesday to some other day
> > this week?  Please suggest other times you can or can't meet, JP
> 
> I'm busy Tuesday and Thursday, and tonight is probably too short notice
> for everyone else.  Friday's open, but of course Wednesday is better.
> 
> I've asked permission to use our offices for meeting space.  I'll hear
> back tonight.

http://www.windley.com/2004/04/06.html#a1154

"It would be impressive if CanyonBridge used Javascript to build a slick
Outlook replacement, but its how they did it that got me excited. First,
they have a technology for just sending snippets of pages back and forth
between the server and the browser so that the Web page doesn't have to be
refreshed. The Javascript modifies the display using the DOM in accordance
with instructions from the server
Second, they built a SOAP front-end for Exchange so that they can deal with
Exchange using SOAP calls rather than MAPI. Of course once that's done, you
could substitute something else for Exchange itself and that's just what
they've done. They've got a Linux/MySQL replacement for Exchange in Alpha
right now.

Thirdly, they build a server side orchestration language for controlling the
presentation and interacting with SOAP-based services so that the action of
the client is controlled using an XML-based business logic language.

Fourth, the Javascript that runs the Outlook replacement isn't custom
one-off code, but built using a framework. Consequently, you can program
things besides Outlook fairly easily.

To demonstrate the power of this, one of the demonstrations they showed me
was a Salesforce.com integration with their Outlook replacement. Not only
could you see all of your Exchange-based calendar, contact, and messaging in
the tool, you could also see all of your leads and appointments from
Salesforce.com. The calendar showed Exchange hosed appointments in an
integrated view with the Salesforce.com appointments. Very cool. What's
more, they built it in 3 days."

http://www.mle.ie/~jonah/projects/clipit.html
Overview
ClipIt! Is a downloadable networked application that provides an ambient
connection to other people's desktops by distributing the contents of each
users clipboard. The project works as an automatic Post-It or sticky note
that is meant to allow people to catch a glimpse of the activity on other
people's machines.
Prototype
Copy and paste are ubiquitous elements of the modern computer GUI interface.
They are both infinitely useful for working with computers and are integral
elements to all computers across all platforms. Our use of these functions
is so natural that we even forget we use them and without them our methods
of computer interaction would change dramatically.

ClipIt! centers on this background activity of copy and paste. Specifically,
it looks at how we use, collect, distribute, and disseminate information.
Instead of using foreground applications like Instant Messengers and email,
where you have to actively connect to people, ClipIt! is deliberately
intended for background use. When multiple users are connected, their
clipboards are uploaded and shared with each other, thus providing an
ambient link and direct window into someone else's activities.

The project allows people to be aware of each other's computer usage and to
"get a feel" for what they are working on or thinking about in real-time.
ClipIt! follows in the footsteps of programs like Deskswap, an application
that allows you to share screenshots of desktops with other people, but is
more interested in sharing the low-bandwidth information of everyday
interaction.

System
The system works as a downloadable application for both Mac and PC that is
meant to run all day long in the background of your networked computer.
Users do not have to 'paste' anything to ClipIt!, they only have to copy
information as they would normally. The program loops through all of the
clipboards according to who logged in first and displays text and small
graphics that are copied.

Interesting...

===
http://www.paperairplane.us/
Paper Airplane is a Mozilla plugin that empowers people to easily create
collaborative communities, known as Paper Airplane Groups, without setting
up servers or spending money. It does this by integrating a web server into
the browser itself, including tools to create collaborative online
communities that are stored on the machine. Paper Airplane Groups are stored
locally on a user's machine. A peer-to-peer network is created between all
of the Paper Airplane nodes that are running in order to resolve group
names, reach normally unreachable peers due to firewalls or NAT devices, and
to replicate content.

Parts of Paper Airplane have been modularized into the P2P Sockets project,
a reimplementation of standard Java sockets on top of Jxta and ports of
standard web servers, servlet engines, etc. to run on top of a peer-to-peer
network. P2P Sockets is at a 1.0 beta level, while Paper Airplane
development is just beginning. Paper Airplane code will be posted to this
site as it is developed.

I'm trying to send a list of links to a mod-pubsub client application - the
knownews app.
It appears that the server is stripping out data that appears to be HTML (or
at least anchors).
Is this true?

I'd also like to send XML via mod-pubsub (like an Atom entry or feed) - is
this possible, or does the server only accept content-type of
application/www-form-urlencoded ?

I was thinking...
The mod-pubsub servers support returning several formats (js, flash, plain
text).
How about adding Atom as a format?

Think about a URI like the following:

http://www.mod-pubsub.org:9000/kn/topiczero.com/news/?do_max_age=3600&kn_response_format=atom
This would provide a feed in Atom format of events from the previous hour.

I've hooked up SearchAlert to the KnowNews app in mod-pubsub.
The SearchAlert notifies users of new search results and can post either
email or a Web notification.
I set up a subscription to post results of "American Presidental Election"
to mod-pubsub:

http://www.mod-pubsub.org/kn_apps/knownews/?/topiczero.com/politics/2004/ape

On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 12:44:58AM -0700, Asynch Messaging wrote:
> I'm trying to send a list of links to a mod-pubsub client application - the
> knownews app.
> It appears that the server is stripping out data that appears to be HTML (or
> at least anchors).
> Is this true?
> 
> I'd also like to send XML via mod-pubsub (like an Atom entry or feed) - is
> this possible, or does the server only accept content-type of
> application/www-form-urlencoded ?

Both!  You know that kn_payload can carry anything, right?  The
urlencoded structure is used as you would a SOAP envelope.  The
"content-type" parameter should also be used.

I didn't have any trouble using XML in the playing around I did with
it a while ago, though I'm not using it in my work.

Mark.
-- 
Mark Baker.   Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA.        http://www.markbaker.ca

Yah, I'm getting RSS just fine from Syndic8... although I believe I have to
escape the naughty bits.  ;-)  JP

--- Mark Baker <di...@ac...> wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 12:44:58AM -0700, Asynch Messaging wrote:
> > I'm trying to send a list of links to a mod-pubsub client application - the
> > knownews app.
> > It appears that the server is stripping out data that appears to be HTML
> (or
> > at least anchors).
> > Is this true?
> > 
> > I'd also like to send XML via mod-pubsub (like an Atom entry or feed) - is
> > this possible, or does the server only accept content-type of
> > application/www-form-urlencoded ?
> 
> Both!  You know that kn_payload can carry anything, right?  The
> urlencoded structure is used as you would a SOAP envelope.  The
> "content-type" parameter should also be used.
> 
> I didn't have any trouble using XML in the playing around I did with
> it a while ago, though I'm not using it in my work.

Right... forgot about that kn_payload thing... I'll play with it sometime...

I've updated the kn_apps/knownews sample app (minor formatting & added
dates), but I can't get the local server working to test it out (python
syntax errors - it looks like all the .py files have extra linefeeds)

Could someone push changes to kn_apps/knownews and kn_apps/knowbuddy out to
mod-pubsub.org?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joyce Park" <tru...@ya...>
To: "Mark Baker" <di...@ac...>; "Asynch Messaging"
<asy...@ho...>
Cc: <mod...@li...>
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Mod-pubsub-developer] Using XML and HTML in message content

> Yah, I'm getting RSS just fine from Syndic8... although I believe I have
to
> escape the naughty bits.  ;-)  JP
>
>
> --- Mark Baker <di...@ac...> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 12:44:58AM -0700, Asynch Messaging wrote:
> > > I'm trying to send a list of links to a mod-pubsub client
application - the
> > > knownews app.
> > > It appears that the server is stripping out data that appears to be
HTML
> > (or
> > > at least anchors).
> > > Is this true?
> > >
> > > I'd also like to send XML via mod-pubsub (like an Atom entry or
feed) - is
> > > this possible, or does the server only accept content-type of
> > > application/www-form-urlencoded ?
> >
> > Both!  You know that kn_payload can carry anything, right?  The
> > urlencoded structure is used as you would a SOAP envelope.  The
> > "content-type" parameter should also be used.
> >
> > I didn't have any trouble using XML in the playing around I did with
> > it a while ago, though I'm not using it in my work.
>

Hey Mike,

I think Someone who uses a Windows box did the build incorrectly.  You can
strip out the line feeds with Perl, I think.

Unfortunately, none of our CGI apps are working right now on the server because
Ben asked me to recompile Apache/PHP and that required some kind of upgrade
that broke mod-perl.  We're blocked on that.  JP

--- Asynch Messaging <asy...@ho...> wrote:

> I've updated the kn_apps/knownews sample app (minor formatting & added
> dates), but I can't get the local server working to test it out (python
> syntax errors - it looks like all the .py files have extra linefeeds)
> 
> Could someone push changes to kn_apps/knownews and kn_apps/knowbuddy out to
> mod-pubsub.org?

Joyce wrote:
> I think Someone who uses a Windows box did the build incorrectly.  You can
> strip out the line feeds with Perl, I think.
> Unfortunately, none of our CGI apps are working right now on the server because
> Ben asked me to recompile Apache/PHP and that required some kind of upgrade
> that broke mod-perl.  We're blocked on that.

This sounds like as good a time as any to have a mod-pubsub-developer
meeting and work through some of these issues.  (Ben: we need you
there! :)

So how about we have it at CommerceNet:

   http://www.commerce.net/contact/directions.asp

We'll get started at 6pm on Wednesday, September 14, and either order
in dinner or go out to dinner from there... Joyce, please forward this
to Sterling in case he's interested, too...

   Adam

My bad.  Next Wednesday is 9/15.

   http://www.commerce.net/contact/directions.asp

See you then,
   Adam

On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:45:02 -0700, Adam Rifkin <ifi...@gm...> wrote:
> Joyce wrote:
> > I think Someone who uses a Windows box did the build incorrectly.  You can
> > strip out the line feeds with Perl, I think.
> > Unfortunately, none of our CGI apps are working right now on the server because
> > Ben asked me to recompile Apache/PHP and that required some kind of upgrade
> > that broke mod-perl.  We're blocked on that.
> 
> This sounds like as good a time as any to have a mod-pubsub-developer
> meeting and work through some of these issues.  (Ben: we need you
> there! :)
> 
> So how about we have it at CommerceNet:
> 
>   http://www.commerce.net/contact/directions.asp
> 
> We'll get started at 6pm on Wednesday, September 14, and either order
> in dinner or go out to dinner from there... Joyce, please forward this
> to Sterling in case he's interested, too...
> 
>   Adam
>

Not to be a pain, but I won't be able to make it that night -- going to
Michigan.  JP

--- Adam Rifkin <ifi...@gm...> wrote:

> My bad.  Next Wednesday is 9/15.
> 
>    http://www.commerce.net/contact/directions.asp

Ok, we need Joyce there so let's move the meeting to the following week.

That is, we will meet on Wednesday September 22 at 6pm at CommerceNet

    http://www.commerce.net/contact/directions.asp

to discuss all things Mod-pubsub.

     Adam

P.S. -- I just installed Firefox 0.9.3 on my work machine yesterday
and in less than a day it has become my Web browser of choice.  It's
fast, it easily imports all my preferences, and it works great.  I
plan on installing it on all the other machines I use. 
http://www.getfirefox.com/

On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:26:50 -0700 (PDT), Joyce Park
<tru...@ya...> wrote:
> Not to be a pain, but I won't be able to make it that night -- going to
> Michigan.  JP

This is just a reminder message that we will have a mod-pubsub meeting
tomorrow.  Meet at CommerceNet at 6pm; we might go to dinner from
there or have something brought in depending on number of attendees.

See you then,
  Adam

On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:39:56 -0700, Adam Rifkin <ifi...@gm...> wrote:
> Ok, we need Joyce there so let's move the meeting to the following week.
> 
> That is, we will meet on Wednesday September 22 at 6pm at CommerceNet
> 
>     http://www.commerce.net/contact/directions.asp
> 
> to discuss all things Mod-pubsub.
> 
>      Adam
> 
> P.S. -- I just installed Firefox 0.9.3 on my work machine yesterday
> and in less than a day it has become my Web browser of choice.  It's
> fast, it easily imports all my preferences, and it works great.  I
> plan on installing it on all the other machines I use.
> http://www.getfirefox.com/
> 
> On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:26:50 -0700 (PDT), Joyce Park
> <tru...@ya...> wrote:
> > Not to be a pain, but I won't be able to make it that night -- going to
> > Michigan.  JP
>

So, how long until the mod-pubsub.org site is back?
The kn_apps directory is completely gone right now.