mockobjects-java-dev

[MO-java-dev] Project Status/Questions

[Simon L. <sim...@uk...>]

Hello All,

At WorldPay we are starting to define a rigid testing structure for our=20
Java code base. We've been investigating/using various methods in an=20
adhoc (mainly personal preference) manner for sometime, and now want to=20
standardise on one method and apply it across all our Java development.

One of the options used, and one into which we're investigating is (of=20
course) the MockObjects project; Hence this Email.

The missing contents of www.mockobjects.com and seemlingly (at least=20
partically) stagnent codebase has rung some alarm bells, but before=20
dismissing a potentially useful avenue (as it does alot of what we want)=20
I've been tasked with working out the status of the project.

I apologise for not looking too deeply into mockobjects.sf.net, browsing=20
CVS to greatly, or reading the maillist archive very far back (I know why=20
mockobjects.com gives a 404 now BTW), all of which may to some degree=20
answer the following questions:

Can someone give me an indication of the status of the project (ie. alive=20
and kicking, slightly dormant, dead, etc.)? CVS and/or the web-site=20
appear to have not been updated very much since May 2002.

We're particularly interested in the use mock objects in the testing of=20
JDBC access - Are these classes being worked on by anybody? We have a=20
particular requirement for CallableStatement support for example.

When we choose a testing strategy/technology, I do have a remit to be able=
=20
to work on said project and give the work I've done back to the project,=20
providing it benefits us to some degree (ie. in this case - enabling us=20
to test our code properly). Meaning both parties benefit.

Thanks for your time,

Simon.,
=2D-=20
=2D-------------------------------------------------------------------------
         Simon Levitt, Senior Development Engineer @ WorldPay plc,
WorldPay Centre, The Science Park, Milton Rd., Cambridge, CB4 0WE, ENGLAND =
=20
 Sim...@uk...   Ph:+44(0)1223 715151  F:+44(0)1223 715157
=2D------------------------ http://www.worldpay.com/ -----------------------

Re: [MO-java-dev] Project Status/Questions

[Jeff M. <je...@mk...>]

The Mock Objects project is still active, but has slowed. The reason for
this is that it now seems to fill the requirements that most people have
for it.

New classes/methods are being added to it, but this is done as and when
they are needed. Since we now have mocks for most of the commonly used
classes there are few new methods being added.

A release candidate for the next release was put up on sourceforge
recently, but it's not been officially released (I've not had time). As
far as I know no one has raised any issues with the code so it can be
considered to be the next release.

If you have any specific requirements for things to be added (e.g.
CallableStatement) just let us know and we'll see what we can do.
Although it's nice when people send in patches for things they need
added.

The web site is just one of those things that's been needing doing for a
while but no one got around to it, and it's just now got broken.

On Thu, 2002-08-15 at 17:57, Simon Levitt wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> At WorldPay we are starting to define a rigid testing structure for our 
> Java code base. We've been investigating/using various methods in an 
> adhoc (mainly personal preference) manner for sometime, and now want to 
> standardise on one method and apply it across all our Java development.
> 
> One of the options used, and one into which we're investigating is (of 
> course) the MockObjects project; Hence this Email.
> 
> The missing contents of www.mockobjects.com and seemlingly (at least 
> partically) stagnent codebase has rung some alarm bells, but before 
> dismissing a potentially useful avenue (as it does alot of what we want) 
> I've been tasked with working out the status of the project.
> 
> I apologise for not looking too deeply into mockobjects.sf.net, browsing 
> CVS to greatly, or reading the maillist archive very far back (I know why 
> mockobjects.com gives a 404 now BTW), all of which may to some degree 
> answer the following questions:
> 
> Can someone give me an indication of the status of the project (ie. alive 
> and kicking, slightly dormant, dead, etc.)? CVS and/or the web-site 
> appear to have not been updated very much since May 2002.
> 
> We're particularly interested in the use mock objects in the testing of 
> JDBC access - Are these classes being worked on by anybody? We have a 
> particular requirement for CallableStatement support for example.
> 
> When we choose a testing strategy/technology, I do have a remit to be able 
> to work on said project and give the work I've done back to the project, 
> providing it benefits us to some degree (ie. in this case - enabling us 
> to test our code properly). Meaning both parties benefit.
> 
> Thanks for your time,
> 
> Simon.,
> -- 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>          Simon Levitt, Senior Development Engineer @ WorldPay plc,
> WorldPay Centre, The Science Park, Milton Rd., Cambridge, CB4 0WE, ENGLAND  
>  Sim...@uk...   Ph:+44(0)1223 715151  F:+44(0)1223 715157
> ------------------------- http://www.worldpay.com/ -----------------------
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MO-java-dev] Project Status/Questions

[Steve F. <st...@m3...>]

We're still keen to keep going and people have been submitting patches.
We've run into a couple of technical problems with the site, which do not
reflect the status of the code.

- we're stuck between domain name registrars at the moment, hence the loss
of the website. Joker.com and easyDNS seem to be unable to complete the
handshake. I can't tell which one is to blame.
- we've been trying to find the time to rework the website. The current
implementation was originally set up for a potential merge with Cactus,
which didn't happen. Unfortunately, it's now in the way and we just haven't
had the time to roll back and fix it.
- I've been spending a lot of my time working on a book which I intend to
post on the site once we can get it back up.

at a more philosophical level, you don't need us that much (how do you like
the hard sell ;-). The most important part is the expectation library which
really does help to structure tests. Much of the rest is to do with sharing
effort.

I'll contact you directly.

Steve

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Steve Freeman
st...@m3...

"Nonsense is just nonsense, but the study of nonsense is science."

----- Original Message -----
From: "Simon Levitt" <sim...@uk...>
To: <Moc...@li...>
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 5:57 PM
Subject: [MO-java-dev] Project Status/Questions


> Hello All,
>
> At WorldPay we are starting to define a rigid testing structure for our
> Java code base. We've been investigating/using various methods in an
> adhoc (mainly personal preference) manner for sometime, and now want to
> standardise on one method and apply it across all our Java development.
>
> One of the options used, and one into which we're investigating is (of
> course) the MockObjects project; Hence this Email.
>
> The missing contents of www.mockobjects.com and seemlingly (at least
> partically) stagnent codebase has rung some alarm bells, but before
> dismissing a potentially useful avenue (as it does alot of what we want)
> I've been tasked with working out the status of the project.
>
> I apologise for not looking too deeply into mockobjects.sf.net, browsing
> CVS to greatly, or reading the maillist archive very far back (I know why
> mockobjects.com gives a 404 now BTW), all of which may to some degree
> answer the following questions:
>
> Can someone give me an indication of the status of the project (ie. alive
> and kicking, slightly dormant, dead, etc.)? CVS and/or the web-site
> appear to have not been updated very much since May 2002.
>
> We're particularly interested in the use mock objects in the testing of
> JDBC access - Are these classes being worked on by anybody? We have a
> particular requirement for CallableStatement support for example.
>
> When we choose a testing strategy/technology, I do have a remit to be able
> to work on said project and give the work I've done back to the project,
> providing it benefits us to some degree (ie. in this case - enabling us
> to test our code properly). Meaning both parties benefit.
>
> Thanks for your time,
>
> Simon.,
> --
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>          Simon Levitt, Senior Development Engineer @ WorldPay plc,
> WorldPay Centre, The Science Park, Milton Rd., Cambridge, CB4 0WE, ENGLAND
>  Sim...@uk...   Ph:+44(0)1223 715151  F:+44(0)1223 715157
> ------------------------- http://www.worldpay.com/ -----------------------
>
>
>
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Re: [MO-java-dev] Project Status/Questions

[Darren H. <da...@fa...>]

Oddly enough, http://mockobjects.com works, its just www.mockobjects.com that 
doesn't.

-Darren

On Thursday 15 August 2002 22:02, Steve Freeman wrote:
> - we're stuck between domain name registrars at the moment, hence the loss
> of the website. Joker.com and easyDNS seem to be unable to complete the
> handshake. I can't tell which one is to blame.

Re: [MO-java-dev] Project Status/Questions

[Steve F. <st...@m3...>]

Sigh. I despair of this whole business.

S.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Steve Freeman
st...@m3...

"Nonsense is just nonsense, but the study of nonsense is science."

----- Original Message -----
From: "Darren Hobbs" <da...@fa...>
To: <Moc...@li...>
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: [MO-java-dev] Project Status/Questions


> Oddly enough, http://mockobjects.com works, its just www.mockobjects.com
that
> doesn't.
>
> -Darren
>
> On Thursday 15 August 2002 22:02, Steve Freeman wrote:
> > - we're stuck between domain name registrars at the moment, hence the
loss
> > of the website. Joker.com and easyDNS seem to be unable to complete the
> > handshake. I can't tell which one is to blame.

Re: [MO-java-dev] Project Status/Questions

[Jeff M. <je...@mk...>]

Is there a reason behind all this mucking about or is it just for
devilment?

I was thinking of trying to sort out the web site a bit to make it
easier to change. Are people already thinking about this?

My plan was to use the same system we use for http://www.mkodo.com/
where a single php page is used as a wrapper around html bodies
containing simple h1/p level tags. Should be easier to understand and
sourceforge already supports php.

On Thu, 2002-08-15 at 22:35, Steve Freeman wrote:
> Sigh. I despair of this whole business.
> 
> S.
> 
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Steve Freeman
> st...@m3...
> 
> "Nonsense is just nonsense, but the study of nonsense is science."
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Darren Hobbs" <da...@fa...>
> To: <Moc...@li...>
> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 10:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [MO-java-dev] Project Status/Questions
> 
> 
> > Oddly enough, http://mockobjects.com works, its just www.mockobjects.com
> that
> > doesn't.
> >
> > -Darren
> >
> > On Thursday 15 August 2002 22:02, Steve Freeman wrote:
> > > - we're stuck between domain name registrars at the moment, hence the
> loss
> > > of the website. Joker.com and easyDNS seem to be unable to complete the
> > > handshake. I can't tell which one is to blame.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MO-java-dev] Project Status/Questions

[Steve F. <st...@m3...>]

There were sound historical reasons for setting things up this way which
have now gone away. We should do something simple. I prefer the idea of a
generated static site, rather than dynamic, so that people can have local
copies.

S.

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Steve Freeman
st...@m3...

"Nonsense is just nonsense, but the study of nonsense is science."

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Martin" <je...@mk...>
To: "MockObjects" <moc...@li...>
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [MO-java-dev] Project Status/Questions


> Is there a reason behind all this mucking about or is it just for
> devilment?
>
> I was thinking of trying to sort out the web site a bit to make it
> easier to change. Are people already thinking about this?
>
> My plan was to use the same system we use for http://www.mkodo.com/
> where a single php page is used as a wrapper around html bodies
> containing simple h1/p level tags. Should be easier to understand and
> sourceforge already supports php.

Re: [MO-java-dev] Project Status/Questions

[Scott L. <sl...@sl...>]

Darren Hobbs wrote:
> Oddly enough, http://mockobjects.com works, its just www.mockobjects.com that 
> doesn't.
> 
> -Darren
> 
> On Thursday 15 August 2002 22:02, Steve Freeman wrote:
> 
>>- we're stuck between domain name registrars at the moment, hence the loss
>>of the website. Joker.com and easyDNS seem to be unable to complete the
>>handshake. I can't tell which one is to blame.

Can't help much with the registrar transfer, but if it should help I 
could provide DNS and/or HTTP service for mockobjects.com. Looks like 
you're using easydns's now, dunno if it's any good or not.

ns[12].easydns.com are now doing:

mockobjects.com. in a 216.136.171.204 ; usw-pr-vhost.sourceforge.net.
www.mockobjects.com. in cname vhosts.sourceforge.net.

As Darren said, the former works for me, the latter does not.

-- 
Scott Lamb

Re: [MO-java-dev] Project Status/Questions

[Steve F. <st...@m3...>]

All sorted now, and there was a typo in the cname (turns red with
embarrasment).

Let's see if it comes back over the next coupla days.

Steve

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Steve Freeman
st...@m3...

"Nonsense is just nonsense, but the study of nonsense is science."

----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Lamb" <sl...@sl...>
To: <moc...@li...>
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: [MO-java-dev] Project Status/Questions


> Darren Hobbs wrote:
> > Oddly enough, http://mockobjects.com works, its just www.mockobjects.com
that
> > doesn't.
> >
> > -Darren
> >
> > On Thursday 15 August 2002 22:02, Steve Freeman wrote:
> >
> >>- we're stuck between domain name registrars at the moment, hence the
loss
> >>of the website. Joker.com and easyDNS seem to be unable to complete the
> >>handshake. I can't tell which one is to blame.
>
> Can't help much with the registrar transfer, but if it should help I
> could provide DNS and/or HTTP service for mockobjects.com. Looks like
> you're using easydns's now, dunno if it's any good or not.
>
> ns[12].easydns.com are now doing:
>
> mockobjects.com. in a 216.136.171.204 ; usw-pr-vhost.sourceforge.net.
> www.mockobjects.com. in cname vhosts.sourceforge.net.
>
> As Darren said, the former works for me, the latter does not.
>
> --
> Scott Lamb
>
>
>
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