mockobjects-java-dev

[Mockobjects-java-dev] RE: Speed of Mock Objects project ...

[Tim M. <tim...@po...>]

Hey - Vincent, I admire your enthusiasm - but give us a chance to kick in
some effort. To be honest - I don't know how you find time to do all of the
things that you do (my time from 9:30 to 6 is basically spent at work doing
heavy duty programming with a lot of mock objects. It is hard to find time
to check newsgroups etc. becuase I am expected to do work that will
contribute to the companies end goal - however I am trying to do a once a
day check. That said, the whole idea behind mock objects was based on this
extreme working pattern, and many new ideas which are just starting to
germinate are based on this as well. We are also putting a lot of work into
automated acceptance tests that iterate accross operating systems -
something which people are only just starting to get interested in now).

Now I can understand that you want to move quick - and I agree that we need
a kick - but you have to balance this with actually spending time using
MockObjects in your own programming (not just in the periphery). It impacts
your coding style a lot (especially if you pair program with someone) and I
think this is an area you may want to devote some time on (I am not sure we
always talk from the same perspective). Then we can really harness your
programming knowledge and apply it to EJB's etc, instead of just raping your
ANT/OpenSource experience.

We need to push on a bit as you have been pioneering - however I think we
will see a slowdown as we stop to learn about the next generation of
ideas/expectations. Obviously - if you are sick of trailblazing, I can
understand your frustration... hang in a bit though.

Tim


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vincent Massol [mailto:vm...@oc...]
> Sent: 9 August 2001 10:24 am
> To: Steve Freeman; Tim Mackinnon
> Subject: Speed of Mock Objects project ...
>
>
> Steve, Tim,
>
> Just a short note to tell you that I am going to drop speed on the
> mockobjects project. My idea was to give it a momentum and to get
> it out of
> oblivion and up and thriving before other frameworks like it
> (like EasyMock
> or others). Apparently you cannot devote too much time on it, which is ok,
> but it simply means the project will have to continue on its slow pace
> (which may be just fine, it's just I like it a bit more dynamic ... :) ).
>
> I'll continue to participate of course, but just don't expect me to do it
> all and to drive it. For example I can bet that the 0.01 release will not
> happen before 2 months ... (whereas with very little work it can be
> delivered in less than a week) ...
>
> Again, the biggest problem is lack of responsivness.
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>

[Mockobjects-java-dev] How to deploy the web site to SF

[Vincent M. <vm...@oc...>]

Hi,

I have added a new target to our build.xml file : "deploy-site".
To use it type 'ant -Dusername=your_sf_user_name deploy-site'

In order for it to work you must have :
- a user account on SF with ssh access to mockobjects project
- ssh in your path
- scp in your path

I don't know if it works if you are not using a public key (i.e. if you have
to type in your password). I don't know how Ant handles reading characters
from the keyboard ... it may not work ?

Thanks
-Vincent

[Mockobjects-java-dev] [howto] make CVS changes (Reminder list)

[Vincent M. <vm...@oc...>]

This is a reminder of the actions to do whenever we make changes to CVS :

* Ensure that the change does not break anything. Please run 'ant all' to
ensure this. Nothing should be committed that break something. If it is the
case it should be discussed first on the mailing list
* Try to respect the coding conventions (yes I know we have not published
them - will do soon)
* When you have finished something, ensure that you add it to the
changes.xml file so that everyone knows what's new in the future version. It
is a pain to try to remember retroactively what everyone has changed ...
* Remove the item from the todo list when finished

Thanks
-Vincent

Re: [Mockobjects-java-dev] RE: Speed of Mock Objects project ...

[Vincent M. <vm...@oc...>]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Mackinnon" <tim...@po...>
To: <moc...@li...>
Cc: "Vincent Massol" <vm...@oc...>
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 7:40 PM
Subject: [Mockobjects-java-dev] RE: Speed of Mock Objects project ...


> Hey - Vincent, I admire your enthusiasm - but give us a chance to kick in
> some effort. To be honest - I don't know how you find time to do all of
the
> things that you do (my time from 9:30 to 6 is basically spent at work
doing

I don't sleep ... :) No, just kidding of course ...
To tell the truth I have the chance of having an understanding wife who let
me work on that at night and during some parts of the week end ... !

> heavy duty programming with a lot of mock objects. It is hard to find time
> to check newsgroups etc. becuase I am expected to do work that will
> contribute to the companies end goal - however I am trying to do a once a

... welcome to the club :-) ... my open source participation is some after
work activity ... However I have the benefit of having flexibility to
organize my work.

> day check. That said, the whole idea behind mock objects was based on this
> extreme working pattern, and many new ideas which are just starting to
> germinate are based on this as well. We are also putting a lot of work
into
> automated acceptance tests that iterate accross operating systems -
> something which people are only just starting to get interested in now).

I know the issues, I have been doing this on my last project. It is quite
hard and usually there are few tools: you have to build your own mechanism,
usually based on shell scripts and the like ... yuck .... :)

>
> Now I can understand that you want to move quick - and I agree that we
need
> a kick - but you have to balance this with actually spending time using
> MockObjects in your own programming (not just in the periphery). It
impacts
> your coding style a lot (especially if you pair program with someone) and
I
> think this is an area you may want to devote some time on (I am not sure
we
> always talk from the same perspective). Then we can really harness your
> programming knowledge and apply it to EJB's etc, instead of just raping
your
> ANT/OpenSource experience.

That's true, I have not used Mock Objects yet ! Which is why I am thinking
about a good project where I/we could do this and compare Cactus vs MO ...
More in a future mail.

>
> We need to push on a bit as you have been pioneering - however I think we
> will see a slowdown as we stop to learn about the next generation of
> ideas/expectations. Obviously - if you are sick of trailblazing, I can
> understand your frustration... hang in a bit though.

no worry ... ! :)

>
> Tim
-Vincent