Re: [Mockobjects-java-dev] RE: Speed of Mock Objects project ...

[Vincent M. <vm...@oc...>]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Mackinnon" <tim...@po...>
To: <moc...@li...>
Cc: "Vincent Massol" <vm...@oc...>
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 7:40 PM
Subject: [Mockobjects-java-dev] RE: Speed of Mock Objects project ...


> Hey - Vincent, I admire your enthusiasm - but give us a chance to kick in
> some effort. To be honest - I don't know how you find time to do all of
the
> things that you do (my time from 9:30 to 6 is basically spent at work
doing

I don't sleep ... :) No, just kidding of course ...
To tell the truth I have the chance of having an understanding wife who let
me work on that at night and during some parts of the week end ... !

> heavy duty programming with a lot of mock objects. It is hard to find time
> to check newsgroups etc. becuase I am expected to do work that will
> contribute to the companies end goal - however I am trying to do a once a

... welcome to the club :-) ... my open source participation is some after
work activity ... However I have the benefit of having flexibility to
organize my work.

> day check. That said, the whole idea behind mock objects was based on this
> extreme working pattern, and many new ideas which are just starting to
> germinate are based on this as well. We are also putting a lot of work
into
> automated acceptance tests that iterate accross operating systems -
> something which people are only just starting to get interested in now).

I know the issues, I have been doing this on my last project. It is quite
hard and usually there are few tools: you have to build your own mechanism,
usually based on shell scripts and the like ... yuck .... :)

>
> Now I can understand that you want to move quick - and I agree that we
need
> a kick - but you have to balance this with actually spending time using
> MockObjects in your own programming (not just in the periphery). It
impacts
> your coding style a lot (especially if you pair program with someone) and
I
> think this is an area you may want to devote some time on (I am not sure
we
> always talk from the same perspective). Then we can really harness your
> programming knowledge and apply it to EJB's etc, instead of just raping
your
> ANT/OpenSource experience.

That's true, I have not used Mock Objects yet ! Which is why I am thinking
about a good project where I/we could do this and compare Cactus vs MO ...
More in a future mail.

>
> We need to push on a bit as you have been pioneering - however I think we
> will see a slowdown as we stop to learn about the next generation of
> ideas/expectations. Obviously - if you are sick of trailblazing, I can
> understand your frustration... hang in a bit though.

no worry ... ! :)

>
> Tim
-Vincent