[Mockobjects-java-dev] RE: Speed of Mock Objects project ...

[Tim M. <tim...@po...>]

Hey - Vincent, I admire your enthusiasm - but give us a chance to kick in
some effort. To be honest - I don't know how you find time to do all of the
things that you do (my time from 9:30 to 6 is basically spent at work doing
heavy duty programming with a lot of mock objects. It is hard to find time
to check newsgroups etc. becuase I am expected to do work that will
contribute to the companies end goal - however I am trying to do a once a
day check. That said, the whole idea behind mock objects was based on this
extreme working pattern, and many new ideas which are just starting to
germinate are based on this as well. We are also putting a lot of work into
automated acceptance tests that iterate accross operating systems -
something which people are only just starting to get interested in now).

Now I can understand that you want to move quick - and I agree that we need
a kick - but you have to balance this with actually spending time using
MockObjects in your own programming (not just in the periphery). It impacts
your coding style a lot (especially if you pair program with someone) and I
think this is an area you may want to devote some time on (I am not sure we
always talk from the same perspective). Then we can really harness your
programming knowledge and apply it to EJB's etc, instead of just raping your
ANT/OpenSource experience.

We need to push on a bit as you have been pioneering - however I think we
will see a slowdown as we stop to learn about the next generation of
ideas/expectations. Obviously - if you are sick of trailblazing, I can
understand your frustration... hang in a bit though.

Tim


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vincent Massol [mailto:vm...@oc...]
> Sent: 9 August 2001 10:24 am
> To: Steve Freeman; Tim Mackinnon
> Subject: Speed of Mock Objects project ...
>
>
> Steve, Tim,
>
> Just a short note to tell you that I am going to drop speed on the
> mockobjects project. My idea was to give it a momentum and to get
> it out of
> oblivion and up and thriving before other frameworks like it
> (like EasyMock
> or others). Apparently you cannot devote too much time on it, which is ok,
> but it simply means the project will have to continue on its slow pace
> (which may be just fine, it's just I like it a bit more dynamic ... :) ).
>
> I'll continue to participate of course, but just don't expect me to do it
> all and to drive it. For example I can bet that the 0.01 release will not
> happen before 2 months ... (whereas with very little work it can be
> delivered in less than a week) ...
>
> Again, the biggest problem is lack of responsivness.
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>