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[Mlterm-dev-en] irssi - alt+cursores

[Nuno A. <ik...@fl...>]

Hi,
I'd like to use mlterm while using irssi, but im having 2 issues
until now:

a) using alt+# ( 1 - 0 ) prints "?" in the text bar instead of changing channel.

b) using alt+cursores <left/right/up/down> does nothing, the expected behaviour
whould be to change channel.

with urxvt|aterm this works fine.

I have been reading the manual, but haven't found information
regarding these issues.

Maybe someone can point me at some document or tell me how I can "fix" this.


Thanks.

-- 

		Nuno Alexandre

[Mlterm-dev-en] bug with mlterm-j-genuine

[F. <ga...@z1...>]

hi,

i use mlterm -j genuine,
and then a lot of mlcients.

the work great, except for the following bug:
howto reproduce:
1. start mlterm -j genuine
2. start some mlclients
3. in one mlclient, start something, like "vim test.txt"
4. close that mlclient by closing it using the window-manager (alt-f4
usually)
5. now type 'exit'+<enter> in an other mlclient
6. it will display the content of the "vim test.txt" window before the
closing
7. all the other mlclients behave like that from now on

gabor

[Mlterm-dev-en] (no subject)

[Chenfeng Xu <Che...@gm...>]

Hi, list,
    It seems that mlterm will user roo much cpu resouce when refresh
the screen. For example
when I enter the command "ls -al" in a dir with many files,  the cpu
usage will jump to above
%40 from about 1%. Is it a bug? And can anynone help me?
   regards
   Chenfeng Xu

Re: [Mlterm-dev-en] only getting italic (right-slanted) fonts in most cases

[Seiichi S. <ss...@sh...>]

Hi,

On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 01:02:30PM -0500,
 Christian Smyth wrote:

> I like mlterm very much, especially since it supports variable-width
> fonts.  I have a question, though.  I have a vaafont file that looks like
> this:
> 
> ISO8859_1=devon-iso8859-1
> 
> mlterm is reading the file OK, but seems to be using the font:
> 
> -*-devon-medium-i-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1
> 
> instead of:
> 
> -*-devon-medium-r-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1

You cannot specify anti-aliased fonts in XLFD format.

> I assume it is picking the italic (i) font because i comes before r
> alphabetically.  There doesn't seem to be a place in the config anywhere
> to specify this "slant" attribute.  How do I make mlterm use the r font in
> this case?

In cases of *aafont, slant attribute is not supported.
The following way may help you. (replace "Arial" with "YOUR FONT")


vaafont:

ISO8859_1=Arial Italic-iso10646-1;


~/.fonts.conf:

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<!DOCTYPE fontconfig SYSTEM "fonts.dtd">
<!-- /etc/fonts/fonts.conf file to configure system font access -->
<fontconfig>
	<match target="pattern">
		<test name="family">
			<string>Arial Italic</string>
		</test>
		<edit name="family" mode="prepend" binding="same">
			<string>Arial</string>
		</edit>
		<edit name="style" mode="prepend" binding="same">
			<string>Italic</string>
		</edit>
	</match>
</fontconfig>

--
Seiichi

[Mlterm-dev-en] only getting italic (right-slanted) fonts in most cases

[Christian S. <cl...@fu...>]

Hi,

I like mlterm very much, especially since it supports variable-width
fonts.  I have a question, though.  I have a vaafont file that looks like
this:

ISO8859_1=devon-iso8859-1

mlterm is reading the file OK, but seems to be using the font:

-*-devon-medium-i-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1

instead of:

-*-devon-medium-r-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1

I assume it is picking the italic (i) font because i comes before r
alphabetically.  There doesn't seem to be a place in the config anywhere
to specify this "slant" attribute.  How do I make mlterm use the r font in
this case?

Sincerely,
Christian Smyth

Re: [Mlterm-dev-en] gtk2 input modules?

[F. <ga...@z1...>]

On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 00:07 +0900, Seiichi SATO wrote:
> Hi gabor,
> 
> On Mon, Sep 13, 2004 at 01:36:15PM +0200,
>  Gábor Farkas wrote:
> 
> > as mlterm already uses gtk2...
> 
> Basically mlterm is an Xlib-based application and doesn't use
> GTK+. GTK+ is used for external tools such as mlconfig and
> mlterm-menu. mlterm itself are using only imlib or *gdk-pixbuf*
> for eye candy functions such as transparent background and
> scrollbar plugin.
> 
> > would it be hard to make it use the gtk2 input modules?
> 
> Yes, it is too hard.
> 
> I designed the pluggable IM module API for mlterm without
> dependece on GTK+, since mlterm is not a GTK+ application.
> For using GTK+ immodule within mlterm, Somthing like bridge
> between both APIs will be needed.
> 
> > but imho supporting the gtk2 input modules would bring a lot of input
> > modes.
> 
> A lot of input modes?
> Could you give me examples please?

well...i haven't really counted..
i just assumed that there should be much more...maybe there are not...
what i know about are 
scim and iiimf.

mlterm does everything what i need in it's current state (all i need is
english + slovak + japanese ;)

it was simply a wild idea ;)

gabor

Re: [Mlterm-dev-en] gtk2 input modules?

[Seiichi S. <ss...@sh...>]

Hi gabor,

On Mon, Sep 13, 2004 at 01:36:15PM +0200,
 G=C3=A1bor Farkas wrote:

> as mlterm already uses gtk2...

Basically mlterm is an Xlib-based application and doesn't use
GTK+. GTK+ is used for external tools such as mlconfig and
mlterm-menu. mlterm itself are using only imlib or *gdk-pixbuf*
for eye candy functions such as transparent background and
scrollbar plugin.

> would it be hard to make it use the gtk2 input modules?

Yes, it is too hard.

I designed the pluggable IM module API for mlterm without
dependece on GTK+, since mlterm is not a GTK+ application.
For using GTK+ immodule within mlterm, Somthing like bridge
between both APIs will be needed.

> but imho supporting the gtk2 input modules would bring a lot of input
> modes.

A lot of input modes?
Could you give me examples please?

Thanks for your comments in any case.

--=20
Seiichi

[Mlterm-dev-en] gtk2 input modules?

[F. <ga...@z1...>]

hi,

as mlterm already uses gtk2...
would it be hard to make it use the gtk2 input modules?

it's nice that it can use uim natively, and i use that feature,
but imho supporting the gtk2 input modules would bring a lot of input
modes.


ofcourse maybe it's impossible ;)

thanks,
gabor

Re: [Mlterm-dev-en] uim?

[Seiichi S. <ss...@sh...>]

On Mon, Aug 30, 2004 at 06:24:08AM +0900,
 Seiichi SATO wrote:

> When mlterm with uim and japanese conversion engine are running
> in UTF-8, mlterm requires fonts for japanese character set.
> preedit and candidate strings are encoded in EUC-JP(native
> encoding of conversion engine).
[...]
> In the future, this problem will be fixed.

fixed in cvs.

-- 
Seiichi

Re: [Mlterm-dev-en] a new mlterm user

[Seiichi S. <ss...@sh...>]

On Wed, Sep 01, 2004 at 11:21:15AM +0200,
 -f wrote:

> 1. colorBD and colorUL.  i read a lot man pages.  colorBD
>    and colorUL makes man pages much more readable.
>    could this be implemented in mlterm?

submitted to sf.net:

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1020339&group_id=40891&atid=429204

> 2. i can't seem to set the color of the cursor in the config
>    file, only using command line.  is this intentional?

Plesase use 'cursor_bg_color' and 'cursor_fg_color'.
I added these parameters to the man page in cvs.

> 3. the encoding= parameter in the config file "main" seems to
>    be ignored.

Sorry, the description about this parameter in the man page is
incorrect. It is uppercase 'ENCODING', not lowercase.
I fixed it in cvs.

--
Seiichi

[Mlterm-dev-en] a new mlterm user

[-f <f...@ob...>]

hi there,

now, i already see the frowning faces because of the subject ;-)

first of all, please cc: me, i am not on the list, and i am
just "evaluating" mlterm.

here are some issues which are not clear for me:

1. colorBD and colorUL.  i read a lot man pages.  colorBD
   and colorUL makes man pages much more readable.
   could this be implemented in mlterm?

2. i can't seem to set the color of the cursor in the config
   file, only using command line.  is this intentional?

3. the encoding= parameter in the config file "main" seems to
   be ignored.

i am using "mlterm version 2.8.0 patch level 1"

thanks for your help,
-f
-- 
call me blind but i didnt see it coming.

Re: [Mlterm-dev-en] uim + accented characters..

[gabor <ga...@z1...>]

On Mon, 2004-08-30 at 22:01 +0900, Seiichi SATO wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 30, 2004 at 09:21:54AM +0200,
>  gabor wrote:
> 
> > and there i can 'combine' the accent into the character,
> > like i press '=' and then i press 'a', and i get [a'], ( [á] if you can
> > read this correctly).
> > 
> > when using mlterm with uim, i get ['a].
> > if i switch it to use XIM (with xim=none), it works correctly...
> 
> Could you test the attached patch?

thx,
it helped

gabor

Re: [Mlterm-dev-en] uim + accented characters..

[Seiichi S. <ss...@sh...>]

On Mon, Aug 30, 2004 at 09:21:54AM +0200,
 gabor wrote:

> and there i can 'combine' the accent into the character,
> like i press '=3D' and then i press 'a', and i get [a'], ( [=C3=A1] if =
you can
> read this correctly).
>=20
> when using mlterm with uim, i get ['a].
> if i switch it to use XIM (with xim=3Dnone), it works correctly...

Could you test the attached patch?

--=20
Seiichi

[Mlterm-dev-en] uim + accented characters..

[gabor <ga...@z1...>]

hi,

another problem with uim=20
(i hope noone will get angry because these problems ;))

input mode uim...


i am sometimes using slovak keyboard....

and there i can 'combine' the accent into the character,
like i press '=3D' and then i press 'a', and i get [a'], ( [=C3=A1] if yo=
u can
read this correctly).

when using mlterm with uim, i get ['a].
if i switch it to use XIM (with xim=3Dnone), it works correctly...

i don't think this is a problem of uim, because when using uim module in
gtk2, i
can input accented chars in this combined way without problems..
but maybe i am wrong ;)

thanks
--=20
gabor <ga...@z1...>

Re: [Mlterm-dev-en] uim?

[Seiichi S. <ss...@sh...>]

On Sun, Aug 29, 2004 at 10:15:22PM +0200,
 gabor wrote:

> problem:
> 
> i start mlterm with someting like:
> mlterm --type=xft
> 
> and activate uim.
> 
> now i enter "watashi"
> i get 3 squares.
> i press <space>, i get 1 square
> i press <enter>, i get the correct 私 symbol.
> 
> or:
> i enter "watashi"
> i get 3 squares.
> i press <enter>, i get "わたし" 
> 
> so, basically when the symbols are running "inside" uim,
> i cannot see them.
> but then when  i press <enter>, and they get back to mlterm,
> i can see them correctly.

That is a bug.

When mlterm with uim and japanese conversion engine are running
in UTF-8, mlterm requires fonts for japanese character set.
preedit and candidate strings are encoded in EUC-JP(native
encoding of conversion engine).

Please specify fonts for JISX0208_1978, JISX0208_1983 and
JISX0208_1990 in .mlterm/*font.

In the future, this problem will be fixed.

Thanks for your report, again.

-- 
Seiichi

Re: [Mlterm-dev-en] uim?

[gabor <ga...@z1...>]

On Sun, 2004-08-29 at 21:33 +0200, gabor wrote:
> On Sun, 2004-08-29 at 02:43 +0900, Seiichi SATO wrote:
> > On Sat, Aug 28, 2004 at 08:07:54AM +0200,
> >  gabor wrote:
> > 
> > > if i tell uim to use control+space as the hotkey, then it works.
> > > but if i tell uim to use left-windows-key+space (hyper+space in uim's
> > > config files),
> > > then it simply does not work.... any ideas why?
> > 
> > Fix has been committed to cvs just now. At this change, the
> > conversion from X modifier key to uim key became the same as
> > uim-xim and uim's immodule for gtk.
> > 
> > 	Mod1 -> Alt
> > 	Mod2 -> Meta
> > 	Mod3 -> Super
> > 	Mod4 -> Hyper
> > 
> > Personally I think that this hard-coded mapping is not good,
> > because modifier key mapping can be changed by xmodmap(1).
> > Probably uim developers already understand it.
> > 
> > Anyway, please retry the latest cvs version.
> thanks a lot...now it works nicely..
> 
> well, i had to select uim instead of xim in the menu,
> and select the correct uim input module.
> then it was ok ;)
well, not that nicely :((

problem:

i start mlterm with someting like:
mlterm --type=xft

and activate uim.

now i enter "watashi"
i get 3 squares.
i press <space>, i get 1 square
i press <enter>, i get the correct 私 symbol.

or:
i enter "watashi"
i get 3 squares.
i press <enter>, i get "わたし" 

so, basically when the symbols are running "inside" uim,
i cannot see them.
but then when  i press <enter>, and they get back to mlterm,
i can see them correctly.


btw i still cannot make --type=xcore display japanese fonts..can this be
somehow related to this problem?

thanks,
gabor

Re: [Mlterm-dev-en] uim?

[gabor <ga...@z1...>]

On Sun, 2004-08-29 at 02:43 +0900, Seiichi SATO wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 28, 2004 at 08:07:54AM +0200,
>  gabor wrote:
> 
> > if i tell uim to use control+space as the hotkey, then it works.
> > but if i tell uim to use left-windows-key+space (hyper+space in uim's
> > config files),
> > then it simply does not work.... any ideas why?
> 
> Fix has been committed to cvs just now. At this change, the
> conversion from X modifier key to uim key became the same as
> uim-xim and uim's immodule for gtk.
> 
> 	Mod1 -> Alt
> 	Mod2 -> Meta
> 	Mod3 -> Super
> 	Mod4 -> Hyper
> 
> Personally I think that this hard-coded mapping is not good,
> because modifier key mapping can be changed by xmodmap(1).
> Probably uim developers already understand it.
> 
> Anyway, please retry the latest cvs version.
thanks a lot...now it works nicely..

well, i had to select uim instead of xim in the menu,
and select the correct uim input module.
then it was ok ;)

thanks,
gabor

Re: [Mlterm-dev-en] uim?

[Seiichi S. <ss...@sh...>]

On Sat, Aug 28, 2004 at 08:07:54AM +0200,
 gabor wrote:

> if i tell uim to use control+space as the hotkey, then it works.
> but if i tell uim to use left-windows-key+space (hyper+space in uim's
> config files),
> then it simply does not work.... any ideas why?

Fix has been committed to cvs just now. At this change, the
conversion from X modifier key to uim key became the same as
uim-xim and uim's immodule for gtk.

	Mod1 -> Alt
	Mod2 -> Meta
	Mod3 -> Super
	Mod4 -> Hyper

Personally I think that this hard-coded mapping is not good,
because modifier key mapping can be changed by xmodmap(1).
Probably uim developers already understand it.

Anyway, please retry the latest cvs version.

Thanks for your report.

-- 
Seiichi

Re: [Mlterm-dev-en] re: japanese font problem

[Seiichi S. <ss...@sh...>]

On Sat, Aug 28, 2004 at 10:43:36AM +0200,
 gabor wrote:

> ISO10646_UCS4_1_BIWIDTH= -misc-kochi mincho-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-
> c-0-iso10646-;
> 
> i cut&pasted this from a fonts.dir file ... problem is i have no idea
> how these files work ;)

ISO10646_UCS4_1_BIWIDTH = -misc-kochi mincho-medium-r-normal--%d-*-iso10646-1;

> can mlterm use the xft/fontconfig based fonts?
> and do i need to use alias mode to use them?

Yes.

	$ mlterm --type=xft --aa=false

For more detail about --type option, see man page.

Regards,

-- 
Seiichi

[Mlterm-dev-en] re: japanese font problem

[gabor <ga...@z1...>]

i experimented some more...

if i use antialiased mode ( -A ),
then i can specify this in ~/.mlterm/aafont:
ISO10646_UCS4_1_BIWIDTH=Kochi Gothic-iso10646-1;

and then it displays japanese symbols perfectly..

the problem is:

i don't want to use antialiased fonts, because they're a lot slower,
and also because my favourite font is not an antialiased one.

so i tried to add something to ~/.mlterm/font,
but with no luck:

ISO10646_UCS4_1_BIWIDTH= -misc-kochi mincho-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-
c-0-iso10646-;

i cut&pasted this from a fonts.dir file ... problem is i have no idea
how these files work ;)

can mlterm use the xft/fontconfig based fonts?
and do i need to use alias mode to use them?


gabor
-- 
gabor <ga...@z1...>

Re: [Mlterm-dev-en] uim?

[gabor <ga...@z1...>]

On Sat, 2004-08-28 at 06:22 +0900, Seiichi SATO wrote:
> Hi gabor,
> 
> > but i found that mlterm can use uim.
> > can he use it directly (without xim?)? 
> 
> Yes, mlterm (in the latest cvs) can use uim without uim-xim bridge.
> 
> > i tried...and cannot turn it on :)
> > 
> > uim is activated with left-windows-key + space 
> > (Hyper + space  in uim config file)
> > 
> > but i cannot activate it in mlterm.
> ,
> 

thanks for the help...
now it works, but:

if i tell uim to use control+space as the hotkey, then it works.
but if i tell uim to use left-windows-key+space (hyper+space in uim's
config files),
then it simply does not work.... any ideas why?


-- 
gabor <ga...@z1...>

Re: [Mlterm-dev-en] uim?

[Seiichi S. <ss...@sh...>]

Hi gabor,

On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 07:23:01PM +0200,
 gabor wrote:

> but i found that mlterm can use uim.
> can he use it directly (without xim?)? 

Yes, mlterm (in the latest cvs) can use uim without uim-xim bridge.

> i tried...and cannot turn it on :)
> 
> uim is activated with left-windows-key + space 
> (Hyper + space  in uim config file)
> 
> but i cannot activate it in mlterm.

You may need to recompile mlterm with '--enable-uim' For native
uim support as below.

	$ make clean
	$ ./configure --enable-uim --OTHER-YOUR-FAVORITE-OPTIONS
	$ make
	# make install (as root)

How to specify input method:

	uim with anthy engine
	$ mlterm --im=uim:anthy

	XIM with default XIM server
	$ mlterm --im=xim

	XIM with xcin on the current locale.
	$ mlterm --im=xim:xcin

	XIM with Ami on ko_KR.eucKR locale.
	$ mlterm --im=xim:Ami:ko_KR.eucKR

	Or add the following line into ~/.mlterm/main or
	<PREFIX>/etc/mlterm/main
	input_method = uim:anthy

Also, you can dynamically change the input method and/or the
conversion engine via external configuration tools such as
mlconfig and mlterm-menu.

> so: how is uim 'integrated' into mlterm?

as loadable module.

BTW, my TODO list for input method is:

	- rewrite the framework (I'm working for)
	- write documentations (not written yet)
	- iiimf support (help)

Regards,

-- 
Seiichi

[Mlterm-dev-en] japanese font problem

[gabor <ga...@z1...>]

hi,

i am learning japanese and trying to use mlterm....
(i decided to send many emails ..one for every problem, 
i hope it's better this way)

fonts:

somehow jpn-fonts look ugly.

screenshots:
http://z10n.net/mlterm.png
http://z10n.net/xterm.png
http://z10n.net/rxvt-unicode.png

both xterm and rxvt-unicode jpn-fonts look readable..
it can very much be that i configured something wrong...
so:
how can i specify the font that i want to use?


p.s: one question to native japanese users...
what font size do you use? because for me it's always 
a problem, because the kanji are the same size as the latin letters,
and for me at least they are quite hard to read at that size.
but if i increase the font size, latin letters became veeery large ;)
 
thanks
-- 
gabor <ga...@z1...>

[Mlterm-dev-en] uim?

[gabor <ga...@z1...>]

hi,

i am learning japanese, and trying to use uim with it...

xim works, but for that i need to set up a japanese locale (i use uim-
anthy).
but i found that mlterm can use uim.
can he use it directly (without xim?)? 

i tried...and cannot turn it on :)

uim is activated with left-windows-key + space 
(Hyper + space  in uim config file)

but i cannot activate it in mlterm.

so: how is uim 'integrated' into mlterm?

thanks a lot

-- 
gabor <ga...@z1...>

[Mlterm-dev-en] howto setup font for UTF-8?

[ngo r. <ngo...@ya...>]

Hello everyone!
i want to config mlterm to use with new vietnamese
charset,
i want to use UTF-8 with font Courier New ( this font
can render vietnamese character correctly).
with default config, the chatset is correct :-), but i
don't know howto setup font "Courier New" for mlterm,
so there are some character that is displayed
incorrectly :-(.
i look at some font config file in /etc/mlterm/, but i
don't know how to config it :-(,
can someone help me?
cheers! 



	
		
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