From: Chris B. <ch...@ba...> - 2004-09-29 14:41:23
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At the current rate of releases it probably wont happen until about March or April of next year but has anyone else considered the advent of v3 of Misterhouse? I wasn't a user of the software back then but I note from the announcements list that 2.00 was basically "1.100" <QUOTE> We overflowed the mh version number, so rather than go from version 1.99 to 1.100, we decided to use 2.00. This isn't a major re-write of mh (except for the web interface), but mh has had enough changes since 1.00 that we thought maybe it deserved a new number :) </QUOTE> It would seem some what of a pity that, almost four years later, we simply roll-over to yet another major version number without some sort of major-ish change. (Don't take that the wrong way guys! Cumulatively there've been hundreds of changes but the incrementing of the major version number is usually as a result of some sort of major change or milestone) Thoughts? Is there some sort of major work that needs doing that we can try and sort out before we roll over to 3.00? |
From: MH <mh...@va...> - 2004-09-29 22:50:58
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>Thoughts? Is there some sort of major work that needs doing that >we can try and sort out before we roll over to 3.00? The only a few things that come to mind - 1) A feature freeze, so we can get a super stable version out there. 2) How about a complete refresh of the web interface graphics? Other packages like Homeseer, Harmony and even the Comfort Alarm system are getting very slick, and MH is looking a bit dated. These things count in attracting new users... 3) On the same subject, how about a revamp of the MH website? While it <really> hate to say it, with more screen shots of the <new> web interface, etc showing what can be achieved and how easily. 4) Lastly, we really need to review the docs and get a newbie guide together, there are several starts but nothing that's a real solid but easy intro. Lee |
From: Gianni V. <gia...@ya...> - 2004-09-30 04:50:01
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I 'dare' to contribute my opinion, triggered by Lee's last comment. The documentation part of MH seems somehow neglected. Being an non-tech person I had very hard times to make MH work (and still have...). Added to it, when I addressed my queries to authors, or other MH Users, I did not have the response I was expecting... So perhaps a "Documentation Revamping' would be a valuable initiative combined with the next MH version. thanks for listening. GV. --- MH <mh...@va...> wrote: > > >Thoughts? Is there some sort of major work that > needs doing that > >we can try and sort out before we roll over to > 3.00? > > > The only a few things that come to mind - > > 1) A feature freeze, so we can get a super stable > version out there. > > 2) How about a complete refresh of the web interface > graphics? Other > packages like Homeseer, Harmony and even the Comfort > Alarm system are > getting very slick, and MH is looking a bit dated. > These things count in > attracting new users... > > 3) On the same subject, how about a revamp of the MH > website? While it > <really> hate to say it, with more screen shots of > the <new> web interface, > etc showing what can be achieved and how easily. > > 4) Lastly, we really need to review the docs and get > a newbie guide > together, there are several starts but nothing > that's a real solid but easy > intro. > > Lee > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: IT Product Guide > on ITManagersJournal > Use IT products in your business? Tell us what you > think of them. Give us > Your Opinions, Get Free ThinkGeek Gift Certificates! > Click to find out more > http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/guidepromo.tmpl > ________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from this list, go to: > http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=1365 > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo |
From: Mark R. <mar...@gm...> - 2004-09-30 18:58:31
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I think it would be helpful to have three different levels of documentation. One would be a quick overview (basically just a list of features and capabilities). The second level would be howto documents. The third level would have all the nitty gritty technical details (the same sort of details found in Unix man pages). I think it be easiest to start out with the technical level. Perhaps people could write about the features that they created or frequently use. That would provide details to volunteer technical writers, who would write the remaining documentation. It would also provide the technical writers with a list of contacts in case they need more information about a particular subject. Like Pete, I think that WIKI is a good idea. What do you all think? -- Mark On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 21:49:38 -0700 (PDT), Gianni Veloce <gia...@ya...> wrote: > I 'dare' to contribute my opinion, triggered by Lee's > last comment. > The documentation part of MH seems somehow neglected. > Being an non-tech person I had very hard times to make > MH work (and still have...). > Added to it, when I addressed my queries to authors, > or other MH Users, I did not have the response I was > expecting... > > So perhaps a "Documentation Revamping' would be a > valuable initiative combined with the next MH version. > > thanks for listening. > GV. > > > > --- MH <mh...@va...> wrote: > > > > > >Thoughts? Is there some sort of major work that > > needs doing that > > >we can try and sort out before we roll over to > > 3.00? > > > > > > The only a few things that come to mind - > > > > 1) A feature freeze, so we can get a super stable > > version out there. > > > > 2) How about a complete refresh of the web interface > > graphics? Other > > packages like Homeseer, Harmony and even the Comfort > > Alarm system are > > getting very slick, and MH is looking a bit dated. > > These things count in > > attracting new users... > > > > 3) On the same subject, how about a revamp of the MH > > website? While it > > <really> hate to say it, with more screen shots of > > the <new> web interface, > > etc showing what can be achieved and how easily. > > > > 4) Lastly, we really need to review the docs and get > > a newbie guide > > together, there are several starts but nothing > > that's a real solid but easy > > intro. > > > > Lee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: IT Product Guide > > on ITManagersJournal > > Use IT products in your business? Tell us what you > > think of them. Give us > > Your Opinions, Get Free ThinkGeek Gift Certificates! > > Click to find out more > > > http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/guidepromo.tmpl > > > ________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from this list, go to: > > http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=1365 > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: IT Product Guide on ITManagersJournal > Use IT products in your business? Tell us what you think of them. Give us > Your Opinions, Get Free ThinkGeek Gift Certificates! Click to find out more > http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/guidepromo.tmpl > ________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from this list, go to: http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=1365 > > |
From: Pete F. <pj...@ca...> - 2004-09-30 20:54:42
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Does anybody know what happened to the Misterhouse in 24 days idea ???? or it's status -Pete On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:58:27 -0600, Mark Rogers wrote > I think it would be helpful to have three different levels of > documentation. One would be a quick overview (basically just a list > of features and capabilities). The second level would be howto > documents. The third level would have all the nitty gritty technical > details (the same sort of details found in Unix man pages). > > I think it be easiest to start out with the technical level. Perhaps > people could write about the features that they created or frequently > use. That would provide details to volunteer technical writers, who > would write the remaining documentation. It would also provide the > technical writers with a list of contacts in case they need more > information about a particular subject. > > Like Pete, I think that WIKI is a good idea. > > What do you all think? > > -- Mark > > On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 21:49:38 -0700 (PDT), Gianni Veloce > <gia...@ya...> wrote: > > I 'dare' to contribute my opinion, triggered by Lee's > > last comment. > > The documentation part of MH seems somehow neglected. > > Being an non-tech person I had very hard times to make > > MH work (and still have...). > > Added to it, when I addressed my queries to authors, > > or other MH Users, I did not have the response I was > > expecting... > > > > So perhaps a "Documentation Revamping' would be a > > valuable initiative combined with the next MH version. > > > > thanks for listening. > > GV. > > > > > > > > --- MH <mh...@va...> wrote: > > > > > > > > >Thoughts? Is there some sort of major work that > > > needs doing that > > > >we can try and sort out before we roll over to > > > 3.00? > > > > > > > > > The only a few things that come to mind - > > > > > > 1) A feature freeze, so we can get a super stable > > > version out there. > > > > > > 2) How about a complete refresh of the web interface > > > graphics? Other > > > packages like Homeseer, Harmony and even the Comfort > > > Alarm system are > > > getting very slick, and MH is looking a bit dated. > > > These things count in > > > attracting new users... > > > > > > 3) On the same subject, how about a revamp of the MH > > > website? While it > > > <really> hate to say it, with more screen shots of > > > the <new> web interface, > > > etc showing what can be achieved and how easily. > > > > > > 4) Lastly, we really need to review the docs and get > > > a newbie guide > > > together, there are several starts but nothing > > > that's a real solid but easy > > > intro. > > > > > > Lee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: IT Product Guide > > > on ITManagersJournal > > > Use IT products in your business? Tell us what you > > > think of them. Give us > > > Your Opinions, Get Free ThinkGeek Gift Certificates! > > > Click to find out more > > > > > http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/guidepromo.tmpl > > > > > ________________________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe from this list, go to: > > > http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=1365 > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: IT Product Guide on ITManagersJournal > > Use IT products in your business? Tell us what you think of them. Give us > > Your Opinions, Get Free ThinkGeek Gift Certificates! Click to find out more > > http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/guidepromo.tmpl > > ________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from this list, go to: http://sourceforge.net/mail/? group_id=1365 > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: IT Product Guide on ITManagersJournal > Use IT products in your business? Tell us what you think of them. > Give us Your Opinions, Get Free ThinkGeek Gift Certificates! Click > to find out more http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/guidepromo.tmpl > ________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from this list, go to: http://sourceforge.net/mail/? group_id=1365 |
From: MH <mh...@va...> - 2004-09-30 21:06:32
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It kinda fizzled out... On that front I've been writing up my notes, from when I reinstalled MH back in May time. Spurred on by this thread, I may have to really pull out the stops and get it all finished, and then start asking for contributions to fill in the gaps... Lee -----Original Message----- From: Pete Flaherty [mailto:pj...@ca...] Sent: 30 September 2004 21:55 To: mis...@li... Subject: Re: [misterhouse-users] As we approach v3.00 Does anybody know what happened to the Misterhouse in 24 days idea ???? or it's status -Pete |
From: Neil C. <nc...@co...> - 2004-09-30 23:59:10
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MH wrote: > It kinda fizzled out... > > On that front I've been writing up my notes, from when I reinstalled MH back > in May time. Spurred on by this thread, I may have to really pull out the > stops and get it all finished, and then start asking for contributions to > fill in the gaps... I'm about to chip in as I have a nice new server for Misterhouse. I was going to start from scratch and move forward. So far I'm using Gentoo Linux (not part of the Howto, it ain't easy to install!), I've got 512M of RAM, 30G of Disk and a CM11A to start with. Before anyone gets any ideas I have a lot more equipment but I want to restart simple. Eventually Asterisk, Jabber and a few other items will join this server. I've already got the Moxi board in place (8 serial ports). -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry nc...@co... http://home.comcast.net/~ncherry/ (Text only) http://hcs.sourceforge.net/ (HCS II) http://linuxha.blogspot.com/ My HA Blog |
From: Neil C. <nc...@co...> - 2004-10-01 00:10:04
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MH wrote: > It kinda fizzled out... Oh, one more thing. Can we finally get my named spelled correctly. I've corrected it twice (really I know how to spell my name :-). -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry nc...@co... http://home.comcast.net/~ncherry/ (Text only) http://hcs.sourceforge.net/ (HCS II) http://linuxha.blogspot.com/ My HA Blog |
From: Mickey A. <AO@MickeyArgo.com> - 2004-10-07 03:44:17
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I've been going back to school for the last two years (in addition to my day job as an Air Force First Sergeant) so I haven't had much time for programming MisterHouse. However, in all of my Computer Science classes that required some type project, I've used MH as the basis of the project. These include a quick start guide for MH (Technical Writing), proof of concept for AI-like control of HVAC using a database and SQL statements (Database Management), to different types of networking protocols of MH (Computer Networking). As I head into my last semester (Calculus III and Network Security), I still won't have time to do anything. If anyone would like to take what I have, and remove all the BS (it is after all a BS in CS;) and see if it can be turned into some type of documentation, I will be more then happy to pass it on. Mickey Argo -----Original Message----- From: mis...@li... [mailto:mis...@li...] On Behalf Of Mark Rogers Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 1:58 PM To: mis...@li... Subject: Re: [misterhouse-users] As we approach v3.00 I think it would be helpful to have three different levels of documentation. One would be a quick overview (basically just a list of features and capabilities). The second level would be howto documents. The third level would have all the nitty gritty technical details (the same sort of details found in Unix man pages). I think it be easiest to start out with the technical level. Perhaps people could write about the features that they created or frequently use. That would provide details to volunteer technical writers, who would write the remaining documentation. It would also provide the technical writers with a list of contacts in case they need more information about a particular subject. Like Pete, I think that WIKI is a good idea. What do you all think? -- Mark On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 21:49:38 -0700 (PDT), Gianni Veloce <gia...@ya...> wrote: > I 'dare' to contribute my opinion, triggered by Lee's last comment. > The documentation part of MH seems somehow neglected. > Being an non-tech person I had very hard times to make MH work (and > still have...). > Added to it, when I addressed my queries to authors, or other MH > Users, I did not have the response I was expecting... > > So perhaps a "Documentation Revamping' would be a valuable initiative > combined with the next MH version. > > thanks for listening. > GV. > > > > --- MH <mh...@va...> wrote: > > > > > >Thoughts? Is there some sort of major work that > > needs doing that > > >we can try and sort out before we roll over to > > 3.00? > > > > > > The only a few things that come to mind - > > > > 1) A feature freeze, so we can get a super stable version out there. > > > > 2) How about a complete refresh of the web interface graphics? Other > > packages like Homeseer, Harmony and even the Comfort Alarm system > > are getting very slick, and MH is looking a bit dated. > > These things count in > > attracting new users... > > > > 3) On the same subject, how about a revamp of the MH website? While > > it <really> hate to say it, with more screen shots of the <new> web > > interface, etc showing what can be achieved and how easily. > > > > 4) Lastly, we really need to review the docs and get a newbie guide > > together, there are several starts but nothing that's a real solid > > but easy intro. > > > > Lee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: IT Product Guide on > > ITManagersJournal Use IT products in your business? Tell us what you > > think of them. Give us Your Opinions, Get Free ThinkGeek Gift > > Certificates! > > Click to find out more > > > http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/guidepromo.tmpl > > > ________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from this list, go to: > > http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=1365 > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: IT Product Guide on > ITManagersJournal Use IT products in your business? Tell us what you > think of them. Give us Your Opinions, Get Free ThinkGeek Gift > Certificates! Click to find out more > http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/guidepromo.tmpl > ________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from this list, go to: > http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=1365 > > ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: IT Product Guide on ITManagersJournal Use IT products in your business? Tell us what you think of them. Give us Your Opinions, Get Free ThinkGeek Gift Certificates! Click to find out more http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/guidepromo.tmpl ________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from this list, go to: http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=1365 |
From: Neil C. <nc...@co...> - 2004-10-08 15:43:19
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Mickey Argo wrote: > I've been going back to school for the last two years (in addition to my day > job as an Air Force First Sergeant) so I haven't had much time for > programming MisterHouse. However, in all of my Computer Science classes > that required some type project, I've used MH as the basis of the project. > These include a quick start guide for MH (Technical Writing), proof of > concept for AI-like control of HVAC using a database and SQL statements > (Database Management), to different types of networking protocols of MH > (Computer Networking). As I head into my last semester (Calculus III and > Network Security), I still won't have time to do anything. If anyone would > like to take what I have, and remove all the BS (it is after all a BS in > CS;) and see if it can be turned into some type of documentation, I will be > more then happy to pass it on. Send it on forward, I'll cut it up and add it in. You will get full credit, though I'll probably get the blame. :-) Good luck with Calc III & Network Security. I'll be also going back to school also, EET/BS but I already have my Master's thesis planned out (no I'm not kidding). -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry nc...@co... http://home.comcast.net/~ncherry/ (Text only) http://hcs.sourceforge.net/ (HCS II) http://linuxha.blogspot.com/ My HA Blog |
From: Brian P. <br...@th...> - 2004-10-12 02:12:25
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Let me add some ideas of what I had my MH system doing (before my recent disk failure - word of caution here - don't run a RAID array in a box that doesn't have fans - OUCH!) My HVAC system was tied into a bunch of triggers. I could define events like "kids to sleep", "kids wake up", "parents to work", "parents to sleep", etc. These events would put the HVAC system into a known state. For example, when it was time for the parents to go to sleep, the HVAC system would make sure that the temperature was within comfort level. Basically, I would define comfortable as 71 degrees and then program in how long it would take to heat a room by 1 degree (a smart system might figure this out on its own). This would ensure that the room was at the right temperature at bedtime. Then, the system might let the heat drop down to a good sleeping temperature (let's say 65 degrees - in reality, I didn't heat the room at all during the night). It would later start warming it up to the comfort level for the wakeup time. Now that's all fine and good for the bedroom... Other rooms were more interesting. The kitchen (where we spend a lot of time), I would set to always be "Occupied" (and heated accordingly) when it was nighttime and the lights were on. Basically, I figured that if somebody was in the room during the night, they would have the lights on. When the lights were off, the room was called "Unoccupied" and the heat would turn off. To supplement this (my wife likes to leave lights on), I would hook up a motion sensor to the room and turn off the lights if there was no movement for one hour. In the end, the system seemed very smart, as the heat would go off when there are no lights on, and the lights would go off if there was no movement. However, the only "AI" component was what I programmed in. For what it's worth : the simple HVAC system that I just described knocked off 30% from my heating bill. Well, to be fair, I used 30% fewer units of heat. With the recent surge of gas fuel prices, my heating bill stayed about the same. On Oct 6, 2004, at 11:44 PM, Mickey Argo wrote: > I've been going back to school for the last two years (in addition to > my day > job as an Air Force First Sergeant) so I haven't had much time for > programming MisterHouse. However, in all of my Computer Science > classes > that required some type project, I've used MH as the basis of the > project. > These include a quick start guide for MH (Technical Writing), proof of > concept for AI-like control of HVAC using a database and SQL statements > (Database Management), to different types of networking protocols of MH > (Computer Networking). As I head into my last semester (Calculus III > and > Network Security), I still won't have time to do anything. If anyone > would > like to take what I have, and remove all the BS (it is after all a BS > in > CS;) and see if it can be turned into some type of documentation, I > will be > more then happy to pass it on. > > Mickey Argo > > -----Original Message----- > From: mis...@li... > [mailto:mis...@li...] On Behalf Of > Mark > Rogers > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 1:58 PM > To: mis...@li... > Subject: Re: [misterhouse-users] As we approach v3.00 > > I think it would be helpful to have three different levels of > documentation. > One would be a quick overview (basically just a list of features and > capabilities). The second level would be howto documents. The third > level > would have all the nitty gritty technical details (the same sort of > details > found in Unix man pages). > > I think it be easiest to start out with the technical level. Perhaps > people > could write about the features that they created or frequently use. > That > would provide details to volunteer technical writers, who would write > the > remaining documentation. It would also provide the technical writers > with a > list of contacts in case they need more information about a particular > subject. > > Like Pete, I think that WIKI is a good idea. > > What do you all think? > > -- Mark > > > On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 21:49:38 -0700 (PDT), Gianni Veloce > <gia...@ya...> wrote: >> I 'dare' to contribute my opinion, triggered by Lee's last comment. >> The documentation part of MH seems somehow neglected. >> Being an non-tech person I had very hard times to make MH work (and >> still have...). >> Added to it, when I addressed my queries to authors, or other MH >> Users, I did not have the response I was expecting... >> >> So perhaps a "Documentation Revamping' would be a valuable initiative >> combined with the next MH version. >> >> thanks for listening. >> GV. >> >> >> >> --- MH <mh...@va...> wrote: >> >>> >>>> Thoughts? Is there some sort of major work that >>> needs doing that >>>> we can try and sort out before we roll over to >>> 3.00? >>> >>> >>> The only a few things that come to mind - >>> >>> 1) A feature freeze, so we can get a super stable version out there. >>> >>> 2) How about a complete refresh of the web interface graphics? Other >>> packages like Homeseer, Harmony and even the Comfort Alarm system >>> are getting very slick, and MH is looking a bit dated. >>> These things count in >>> attracting new users... >>> >>> 3) On the same subject, how about a revamp of the MH website? While >>> it <really> hate to say it, with more screen shots of the <new> web >>> interface, etc showing what can be achieved and how easily. >>> >>> 4) Lastly, we really need to review the docs and get a newbie guide >>> together, there are several starts but nothing that's a real solid >>> but easy intro. >>> >>> Lee >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: IT Product Guide on >>> ITManagersJournal Use IT products in your business? Tell us what you >>> think of them. Give us Your Opinions, Get Free ThinkGeek Gift >>> Certificates! >>> Click to find out more >>> >> http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/guidepromo.tmpl >>> >> ________________________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe from this list, go to: >>> http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=1365 >>> >>> >> >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. >> http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: IT Product Guide on >> ITManagersJournal Use IT products in your business? Tell us what you >> think of them. Give us Your Opinions, Get Free ThinkGeek Gift >> Certificates! Click to find out more >> http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/guidepromo.tmpl >> ________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from this list, go to: >> http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=1365 >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: IT Product Guide on > ITManagersJournal Use > IT products in your business? Tell us what you think of them. Give us > Your > Opinions, Get Free ThinkGeek Gift Certificates! 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From: Ron <ro...@za...> - 2004-09-30 09:06:10
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Hi, About the webinterface; I made ia5 a few years back. It was a lot of work in those days since no framework existed yet. And now MH is packed with even more features, so more html pages are needed :) I agree it looks a bit dated now. But remember that I made it especially for the Audrey's I have (ie small applicances), didn't know it was going to be the default interface.. I'm just in the process of reinstalling my MisterHouse server from the bottom up. So any free time is sparse at the moment. What kinda new web layout did you have in mind then? I'm a MythTV user myself, and started thinking about a MythTV kinda layout for MisterHouse, but for some parts it looks unsuitable, since TV screens have a small resolution, so graphs etc are mostly unreadable anyway. Regards, Ron Klinkien -----Original Message----- From: mis...@li... [mailto:mis...@li...] On Behalf Of MH Sent: donderdag 30 september 2004 0:55 To: mis...@li... Subject: RE: [misterhouse-users] As we approach v3.00 >Thoughts? Is there some sort of major work that needs doing that we can >try and sort out before we roll over to 3.00? The only a few things that come to mind - 1) A feature freeze, so we can get a super stable version out there. 2) How about a complete refresh of the web interface graphics? Other packages like Homeseer, Harmony and even the Comfort Alarm system are getting very slick, and MH is looking a bit dated. These things count in attracting new users... 3) On the same subject, how about a revamp of the MH website? While it <really> hate to say it, with more screen shots of the <new> web interface, etc showing what can be achieved and how easily. 4) Lastly, we really need to review the docs and get a newbie guide together, there are several starts but nothing that's a real solid but easy intro. Lee ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: IT Product Guide on ITManagersJournal Use IT products in your business? Tell us what you think of them. Give us Your Opinions, Get Free ThinkGeek Gift Certificates! Click to find out more http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/guidepromo.tmpl ________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from this list, go to: http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=1365 |
From: Robert R. <ro...@fr...> - 2004-09-30 15:49:08
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Hi, see comments below: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" <ro...@za...> To: <mis...@li...> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 11:08 AM Subject: RE: [misterhouse-users] As we approach v3.00 > Hi, > > About the webinterface; I made ia5 a few years back. > It was a lot of work in those days since no framework existed yet. > And now MH is packed with even more features, so more html pages are needed > :) > > I agree it looks a bit dated now. > But remember that I made it especially for the Audrey's I have (ie small > applicances), > didn't know it was going to be the default interface.. > > I'm just in the process of reinstalling my MisterHouse server from the > bottom > up. So any free time is sparse at the moment. > > What kinda new web layout did you have in mind then? Well I'll try to add some opinions. I'm interacting with quite some people seeing MH web interface and for newcomers I could agree to some extension that it's a bit complicated or has too much buttons, features. My thoughts go in direction of another possibility to represent home informations to user in sense of live, dynamic web pages alias floorplan. Recent additions of SVG technology to MH look promising to me. So I'd like to put things user needs into familiar interface - maybe floorplan, maybe virtual house (like music room, news room, utility, ...) with all functionalities displayed as familiar devices on floorplan (speakers for music control, clock for alarms, newspaper for latest news, etc...). There are also other things I think could be helpful to concentrate on some IMHO more competitive advantages that MH could achieve: - to enhance automatic generation of html pages (so there will be not much work for any additions); we already have some sort of capability at hand with generating buttons, maybe we could extend this to html templates, skins support, etc... - to enhance whole house audio/video distribution by cooperation between MH and other media programs (videolan, mythtv, ..) - to enhance user-MH speech interface (to create virtual house butler dealing with all kinds of situations in house) - Currently I do some sort "proof of concept" using AIML open source technology (it won latest Turing test competition), where user can communicate with system through common talk (typing at the moment, speech recognition in future) and where keywords are extracted and acted upon if they are commands to MH... - to enhance MH structure into more regular plugin structure, where system could be updated automatically, leaving choice of needed plugins to user... - more tight integration with personal communication apps (like VOIP telephony (each room with mic and speakers could be IP telehone), instant messaging, video telephony - mythtv has full SIP compliant video phone as plugin feature) cause these are most promising applications nowadays in the Internet world... Helping people to communicate more and actually use available technology possibilities... - integration with some light groupware software (there are currently more than 10 open source groupware applications available - so some lighter app could be selected and used with MH ) These are just some thoughts, I hope I helped a little bit... > I'm a MythTV user myself, and started thinking about a MythTV kinda layout > for > MisterHouse, but for some parts it looks unsuitable, since TV screens have a > small > resolution, so graphs etc are mostly unreadable anyway. > Well Mythtv could be one app that will in cooperation with MH get great step forward for both of them. I'm also mythtv fan and would like to integrate MH into it - at least with home automation stuff and also SIP telephony seems at hand... Regards, Robert. |
From: MH <mh...@va...> - 2004-09-30 19:50:21
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Ron, I have no problem with the web interface, I use two Audrey's myself! I was just suggesting a refresh of the graphics/icons to make it look a bit more up to date - so it can compete with the competition... :) I agree that the MythTV interface is very slick, but I'm not sure how it would work with the huge number of MH options :) Lee -----Original Message----- From: Ron [mailto:ro...@za...] Sent: 30 September 2004 10:08 To: mis...@li... Subject: RE: [misterhouse-users] As we approach v3.00 Hi, About the webinterface; I made ia5 a few years back. It was a lot of work in those days since no framework existed yet. And now MH is packed with even more features, so more html pages are needed :) I agree it looks a bit dated now. But remember that I made it especially for the Audrey's I have (ie small applicances), didn't know it was going to be the default interface.. I'm just in the process of reinstalling my MisterHouse server from the bottom up. So any free time is sparse at the moment. What kinda new web layout did you have in mind then? I'm a MythTV user myself, and started thinking about a MythTV kinda layout for MisterHouse, but for some parts it looks unsuitable, since TV screens have a small resolution, so graphs etc are mostly unreadable anyway. Regards, Ron Klinkien -----Original Message----- From: mis...@li... [mailto:mis...@li...] On Behalf Of MH Sent: donderdag 30 september 2004 0:55 To: mis...@li... Subject: RE: [misterhouse-users] As we approach v3.00 >Thoughts? Is there some sort of major work that needs doing that we can >try and sort out before we roll over to 3.00? The only a few things that come to mind - 1) A feature freeze, so we can get a super stable version out there. 2) How about a complete refresh of the web interface graphics? Other packages like Homeseer, Harmony and even the Comfort Alarm system are getting very slick, and MH is looking a bit dated. These things count in attracting new users... 3) On the same subject, how about a revamp of the MH website? While it <really> hate to say it, with more screen shots of the <new> web interface, etc showing what can be achieved and how easily. 4) Lastly, we really need to review the docs and get a newbie guide together, there are several starts but nothing that's a real solid but easy intro. Lee |
From: Gaetan L. <mis...@ga...> - 2004-09-30 14:00:34
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Here's my 2C comment on this The spirit of open source come with the user contribution. Misterhouse is mostly a user contributed software, and Bruce the maintener. I agree that software like Homeseer and other might have a better appearence, but remember, people pay to get this. On the other side, contributors to MH, are mostly hobyist who do this to add new features, and mostly to add features they want personnaly. Unless there is a bunch of dedicated programmers to rewrote and redesign the software, MH will probably continue to keep the same route. meaning including fix and feature provided by user. Not only software applies to this taught, but also documentation. There is many peoples who learn the hard way, I agree. Maybe some of them, without any programming experience could write some documentation, and contribute their way to MH. Just my 2C comment on a software I use 24 hres/day MH said: > >>Thoughts? Is there some sort of major work that needs doing that >>we can try and sort out before we roll over to 3.00? > > > The only a few things that come to mind - > > 1) A feature freeze, so we can get a super stable version out there. > > 2) How about a complete refresh of the web interface graphics? Other > packages like Homeseer, Harmony and even the Comfort Alarm system are > getting very slick, and MH is looking a bit dated. These things count in > attracting new users... > > 3) On the same subject, how about a revamp of the MH website? While it > <really> hate to say it, with more screen shots of the <new> web interface, > etc showing what can be achieved and how easily. > > 4) Lastly, we really need to review the docs and get a newbie guide > together, there are several starts but nothing that's a real solid but easy > intro. > > Lee > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: IT Product Guide on ITManagersJournal > Use IT products in your business? Tell us what you think of them. Give us > Your Opinions, Get Free ThinkGeek Gift Certificates! Click to find out more > http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/guidepromo.tmpl > ________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from this list, go to: > http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=1365 > |
From: Pete F. <pj...@ca...> - 2004-09-30 15:35:46
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Agreed, I too use MH and it runs 24/7/365 +/- Lets not forget the WIKI. This may be the best place for flushing out documentation, a little at a time. then reviewing it for inclusion on occasion (or by request when a category looks complete) Additionally, the #@ comments section of the individual modules provide a convienient place for specific instructions for each module, as well as their ini parameters. As for the interface (correct me if I'm worng) it is my understanding that the iax series of web pages are for 'Internet Appliances' like the Audrey. That said, the effort to change the pages will need consideration for any of the devices that use the web interface. There may be some things that we could do to 'spiff-up' the look of the interface, namely add a background, and perhaps update the myrid of icons/ Button sets initially .... The background may be the most visible characteristic to be considered for the 'major' update (eg changing the default then, and using the standard for now) Just my 2 cents (is that 4 or 6 cents total on this subject ? maybe when we get to a buck it can um... stop there (or at least have resolution) On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:59:20 -0400 (EDT), Gaetan Lord wrote > Here's my 2C comment on this > > The spirit of open source come with the user contribution. > Misterhouse is mostly a user contributed software, and Bruce the > maintener. I agree that software like Homeseer and other might have > a better appearence, but remember, people pay to get this. > > On the other side, contributors to MH, are mostly hobyist who do > this to add new features, and mostly to add features they want personnaly. > > Unless there is a bunch of dedicated programmers to rewrote and > redesign the software, MH will probably continue to keep the same > route. meaning including fix and feature provided by user. Not only > software applies to this taught, but also documentation. There is > many peoples who learn the hard way, I agree. Maybe some of them, > without any programming experience could write some documentation, > and contribute their way to MH. > > Just my 2C comment on a software I use 24 hres/day > > MH said: > > > >>Thoughts? Is there some sort of major work that needs doing that > >>we can try and sort out before we roll over to 3.00? > > > > > > The only a few things that come to mind - > > > > 1) A feature freeze, so we can get a super stable version out there. > > > > 2) How about a complete refresh of the web interface graphics? Other > > packages like Homeseer, Harmony and even the Comfort Alarm system are > > getting very slick, and MH is looking a bit dated. These things count in > > attracting new users... > > > > 3) On the same subject, how about a revamp of the MH website? While it > > <really> hate to say it, with more screen shots of the <new> web interface, > > etc showing what can be achieved and how easily. > > > > 4) Lastly, we really need to review the docs and get a newbie guide > > together, there are several starts but nothing that's a real solid but easy > > intro. > > > > Lee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: IT Product Guide on ITManagersJournal > > Use IT products in your business? Tell us what you think of them. Give us > > Your Opinions, Get Free ThinkGeek Gift Certificates! Click to find out more > > http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/guidepromo.tmpl > > ________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from this list, go to: > > http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=1365 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: IT Product Guide on ITManagersJournal > Use IT products in your business? Tell us what you think of them. > Give us Your Opinions, Get Free ThinkGeek Gift Certificates! Click > to find out more http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/guidepromo.tmpl > ________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from this list, go to: http://sourceforge.net/mail/? group_id=1365 |
From: Pete F. <pj...@ca...> - 2004-09-30 15:35:59
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Agreed, I too use MH and it runs 24/7/365 +/- Lets not forget the WIKI. This may be the best place for flushing out documentation, a little at a time. then reviewing it for inclusion on occasion (or by request when a category looks complete) Additionally, the #@ comments section of the individual modules provide a convienient place for specific instructions for each module, as well as their ini parameters. As for the interface (correct me if I'm worng) it is my understanding that the iax series of web pages are for 'Internet Appliances' like the Audrey. That said, the effort to change the pages will need consideration for any of the devices that use the web interface. There may be some things that we could do to 'spiff-up' the look of the interface, namely add a background, and perhaps update the myrid of icons/ Button sets initially .... The background may be the most visible characteristic to be considered for the 'major' update (eg changing the default then, and using the standard for now) Just my 2 cents (is that 4 or 6 cents total on this subject ? maybe when we get to a buck it can um... stop there (or at least have resolution) -Pete On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:59:20 -0400 (EDT), Gaetan Lord wrote > Here's my 2C comment on this > > The spirit of open source come with the user contribution. > Misterhouse is mostly a user contributed software, and Bruce the > maintener. I agree that software like Homeseer and other might have > a better appearence, but remember, people pay to get this. > > On the other side, contributors to MH, are mostly hobyist who do > this to add new features, and mostly to add features they want personnaly. > > Unless there is a bunch of dedicated programmers to rewrote and > redesign the software, MH will probably continue to keep the same > route. meaning including fix and feature provided by user. Not only > software applies to this taught, but also documentation. There is > many peoples who learn the hard way, I agree. Maybe some of them, > without any programming experience could write some documentation, > and contribute their way to MH. > > Just my 2C comment on a software I use 24 hres/day > > MH said: > > > >>Thoughts? Is there some sort of major work that needs doing that > >>we can try and sort out before we roll over to 3.00? > > > > > > The only a few things that come to mind - > > > > 1) A feature freeze, so we can get a super stable version out there. > > > > 2) How about a complete refresh of the web interface graphics? Other > > packages like Homeseer, Harmony and even the Comfort Alarm system are > > getting very slick, and MH is looking a bit dated. These things count in > > attracting new users... > > > > 3) On the same subject, how about a revamp of the MH website? While it > > <really> hate to say it, with more screen shots of the <new> web interface, > > etc showing what can be achieved and how easily. > > > > 4) Lastly, we really need to review the docs and get a newbie guide > > together, there are several starts but nothing that's a real solid but easy > > intro. > > > > Lee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: IT Product Guide on ITManagersJournal > > Use IT products in your business? Tell us what you think of them. Give us > > Your Opinions, Get Free ThinkGeek Gift Certificates! Click to find out more > > http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/guidepromo.tmpl > > ________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from this list, go to: > > http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=1365 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: IT Product Guide on ITManagersJournal > Use IT products in your business? Tell us what you think of them. > Give us Your Opinions, Get Free ThinkGeek Gift Certificates! Click > to find out more http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/guidepromo.tmpl > ________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from this list, go to: http://sourceforge.net/mail/? group_id=1365 |
From: Bruce W. <br...@mi...> - 2004-10-01 05:13:14
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>Thoughts? Is there some sort of major work that needs doing that >we can try and sort out before we roll over to 3.00? I was wondering the same thing. All the suggestions that have been posted (an updated web interface, better documentation, a re-vamped website, etc), are all noble goals. Another is a usable VR interface, maybe with the new Sphinx 4.0 or the now open sourced IBM ViaVoice engine. I hope to actually have enough of a lull at work to be able to use some vacation time before the end of the year, so maybe then I can do a bit more development work in some of these areas. Looking back at the log, I see we have had 60 official releases, with 1500 enhancements and fixes, since 2.0 4.5 years ago, with 250 different people contributing! That is an impressive group accomplishment I think we all can be proud of. Bruce |
From: Sean W. <li...@su...> - 2004-10-01 17:29:59
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Bruce Winter wrote: >>Thoughts? Is there some sort of major work that needs doing that >>we can try and sort out before we roll over to 3.00? >> >> > >I was wondering the same thing. All the suggestions that have been posted >(an updated web interface, better documentation, a re-vamped website, etc), >are all noble goals. Another is a usable VR interface, maybe with the new >Sphinx 4.0 or the now open sourced IBM ViaVoice engine. > > I've been working with the Sphinx4 system and the alpha wasn't ready yet. Now with the beta out, I'll start back into working on it. The API for Sphinx4 is much cleaner than for Sphinx2. As far as I know, the stuff IBM released isn't ViaVoice, but whatever it is, the news is that it "/doesn't include any source for the actual speech recognition engine" /Whatever that is supposed to mean. -- Sean Walker http://sean.surfmy.net/ http://sacwifi.net/ |
From: Amy <w_h...@co...> - 2004-10-02 02:03:12
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i have only, as of late, come up to speed with misterhouse. fasle start x3 before i got it. It has been worth the effort. One beautiful thing about homevision, is the ability to make scripts/macros by just clicking an object/event and then clicking the actions you want to take. (if door open, turn on light AND say hello AND turn on tv) Nice and gui. if we could make a pick list of all of the objects and for each one, be able to pick which other ones to change, it would be ever so cool. probably could be just some program that serves up the objects and then autogenerates your code. I have to add, that if that function existed when i started mh, i would know alot less about how to really get the most out of it. could make newcommers lazy, or it might just be enough to get them through the early fustrations. who knows. btw I love the ia5 interface dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Winter" <br...@mi...> To: <mis...@li...> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 1:12 AM Subject: RE: [misterhouse-users] As we approach v3.00 > >Thoughts? Is there some sort of major work that needs doing that > >we can try and sort out before we roll over to 3.00? > > I was wondering the same thing. All the suggestions that have been posted > (an updated web interface, better documentation, a re-vamped website, etc), > are all noble goals. Another is a usable VR interface, maybe with the new > Sphinx 4.0 or the now open sourced IBM ViaVoice engine. > > I hope to actually have enough of a lull at work to be able to use some > vacation time before the end of the year, so maybe then I can do a bit more > development work in some of these areas. > > Looking back at the log, I see we have had 60 official releases, with 1500 > enhancements and fixes, since 2.0 4.5 years ago, with 250 different people > contributing! That is an impressive group accomplishment I think we all > can be proud of. > > Bruce > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: IT Product Guide on ITManagersJournal > Use IT products in your business? Tell us what you think of them. Give us > Your Opinions, Get Free ThinkGeek Gift Certificates! Click to find out more > http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/guidepromo.tmpl > ________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from this list, go to: http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=1365 > > |
From: Clive F. <sc...@fi...> - 2004-10-04 22:14:41
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My vote is for not making any major changes. It is great as it is, and I have my own customized version which I don't want to have to update to adjust to major new changes. Adding enhancements a few at a time suits me just fine. Well done to Bruce for the many hours he has spent producing and enhancing a great series of programs. Clive |
From: Kirk B. <ki...@ka...> - 2004-10-04 22:42:59
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On Mon, 4 Oct 2004, Clive Freedman wrote: > My vote is for not making any major changes. It is great as it is, and I > have my own customized version which I don't want to have to update to > adjust to major new changes. Adding enhancements a few at a time suits me > just fine. I agree -- new features are great. More docs are great. Improvements are great. But we have a huge codebase and a lot of features and I see no reason to redo anything that works. And I also think that Bruce made the right decision with Perl. Any other language would have made this a lot harder to contribute to... Perl is just so flexible. Plus there are so many existing libraries out there to use. -- Kirk Bauer <ki...@ka...> http://linux.kaybee.org | www.autorpm.org | www.logwatch.org |
From: <mo...@be...> - 2004-10-05 19:00:52
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> > > >Thoughts? Is there some sort of major work that needs doing that > >we can try and sort out before we roll over to 3.00? > > > The only a few things that come to mind - > > 1) A feature freeze, so we can get a super stable version out there. I love this idea. That's kind of the approach that Linus takes with the Linux kernel source code as a new release approaches. At some point, new features stop being included into the tree and bug fixes are done to get to a stable version ready for release. I know it's not as sexy and fun to fix code as it is to add new features and toys; but maybe if we did a little of that we could make an already great application even better? Or... Along the same lines as the Linux kernel model.... Two versions: After a realease, set the version number to an even number for the minor digits. (3.0) as an example. The 3.0 code tree gets bug fixes only. No new features. Fork off a 3.1 (odd number in the minor digits) version that, in the very beginning is exactly the same as the 3.0 code tree. New features and major re-writes or drastic changes are done to the "development" version. After some period of time, the development version goes into code-freeze and no new features are accepted, just bug fixes in preparation for for the next "production" release of 3.2. For what it's worth, this model seems to work very well for the Linux kernel. Users who install a 3.0.x (bug fix to a stable/production release version) version of the code can be reasonably sure that there aren't major changes and that their current configuration will mostly just work as is. People who are more seasoned with the code, or who do a lot of development or perhaps people who are lucky enough to be able to have a "production" mh system and a "test" mh system; can install the 3.1.x (not stable, may contain major changes to sections and/or require modification to the way config files work or may need newer versions of PERL libraries, etc. etc.) and "know what they are getting into". This way, people who use MH and are non-programmer "users"; can upgrade at an easier and less steep learning curve for bug fix versions and jump into the next major release at a slower pace. Just my current $.02 worth.. (how much are we up to now? have we gotten to $1 yet? ;) ) -- -Monte |
From: Rick D. <ri...@de...> - 2004-10-03 02:54:37
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On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 00:38 +1000, Chris Barrett wrote: > It would seem some what of a pity that, almost four years later, we simpl= y=20 > roll-over to yet another major version number without some sort of major-= ish=20 > change. (Don't take that the wrong way guys! Cumulatively there've been=20 > hundreds of changes but the incrementing of the major version number is=20 > usually as a result of some sort of major change or milestone) >=20 > Thoughts? Is there some sort of major work that needs doing that we can = try=20 > and sort out before we roll over to 3.00? One of the things I've been wishing that MH had was better separation between the function and the user interface. I used to run MH manually, and when I did I'd run the TK interface. Then I switched to running it as a service (I'm running on Linux), and the TK interface had to go. It would be nice if the core MH function could run, and the TK interface (or something like it) could be run separately and talk to the core function. Of course there might be a way to do this which I haven't discovered, in which case, refer to the other posts about documentation. |
From: Neil C. <nc...@co...> - 2004-10-03 15:40:08
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OK, here's a change I'd like to see for 3.0. I just reinstalled MH on a fresh machine. I started it up and proceeded to the admin menus to select the code I wanted. While in the middle of selecting code I was interrupted. A few minutes later I come back and find photos had kicked in (Grrr). So I work my way back through the menus and begin selecting code again. Now I've not selected any test code because I find it annoying to have my X10 go on and off every minute. Now, I go about editing the mh.private.ini file and simply add the CM11A & CM17A, then I restart MH. Immediately I notice that the B1 is going on an off! Oh, my I have ghosts! ;-) So I'd like to see the defaults of various things to be off. Including the test stuff. Also wouldn't it be nice if the photos were off when I haven't selected photos! Despite my complaints I still love MH! Now I'm going to document installing and starting MH up with the CM11A under Linux. I just took a look at "24 Days to Complete Home Control" and it really needs some work. So I'll start with the install. Is anyone else working on "24 Days ..."? -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry nc...@co... http://home.comcast.net/~ncherry/ (Text only) http://hcs.sourceforge.net/ (HCS II) http://linuxha.blogspot.com/ My HA Blog |