From: Kevin R. K. <ke...@kr...> - 2013-10-10 19:10:18
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So there are three Sub Forums for MisterHouse on Nabble: Issues User Announce Both User and Announce are linked to the respective sourceforge mailing lists. However, the Issues subforum is just a free-standing forum, so when messages are posted in that forum, they are not sent to any mailing list. It looks like a hand full of people have actually posted in the Issues forum, the majority of those posts go unanswered, likely because most people like me didn't realize that this was a separate thing. Do we need the Issue SubForum? (I say no) Does anyone have the authority to close it? If not, can we do something to warn users? |
From: Lieven H. <li...@li...> - 2013-10-10 20:17:18
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Hi Kevin, good find. I for one was not aware of the separate forum on Nabble. I agree with you don't need a separate forum there. Let's point the users to either this mailing list we're using or to the ticket/issue system on github. Actually: is everybody who is reading this mailinglist aware there is an issue tracker linked to the github account where we host our code? Should we make a link between the two one way or the other? Or should we make that clear one way or the other? Kind regards, Lieven. On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 9:10 PM, Kevin Robert Keegan <ke...@kr...>wrote: > So there are three Sub Forums for MisterHouse on Nabble: > Issues > User > Announce > > Both User and Announce are linked to the respective sourceforge mailing > lists. > > However, the Issues subforum is just a free-standing forum, so when > messages are posted in that forum, they are not sent to any mailing list. > It looks like a hand full of people have actually posted in the Issues > forum, the majority of those posts go unanswered, likely because most > people like me didn't realize that this was a separate thing. > > Do we need the Issue SubForum? (I say no) > Does anyone have the authority to close it? > If not, can we do something to warn users? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > October Webinars: Code for Performance > Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. > Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most > from > the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register > > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60134071&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > ________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from this list, go to: > http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=1365 > > > |
From: Kevin R. K. <ke...@kr...> - 2013-10-10 20:17:43
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Hijacking my own thread: On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Lieven Hollevoet <li...@li...> wrote: > > Actually: is everybody who is reading this mailinglist aware there is an > issue tracker linked to the github account where we host our code? Should > we make a link between the two one way or the other? Or should we make that > clear one way or the other? > I generally assume that only those "actively" working on or interested in developing MH actually see the github messages. I use github issues to track or document problems. But for more in depth discussions I always post to the maillist. I am disinclined to forward github messages onto the mailing list b/c I feel like many of them get too deeply into the details that will just annoy everyone else. |
From: Lieven H. <li...@li...> - 2013-10-10 20:25:53
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Kevin, On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:17 PM, Kevin Robert Keegan <ke...@kr...>wrote: > Hijacking my own thread: > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Lieven Hollevoet <li...@li...> wrote: >> >> Actually: is everybody who is reading this mailinglist aware there is an >> issue tracker linked to the github account where we host our code? Should >> we make a link between the two one way or the other? Or should we make that >> clear one way or the other? >> > > I generally assume that only those "actively" working on or interested in > developing MH actually see the github messages. I use github issues to > track or document problems. But for more in depth discussions I always > post to the maillist. I am disinclined to forward github messages onto the > mailing list b/c I feel like many of them get too deeply into the details > that will just annoy everyone else. > I agree with your 'disinclinement', I basically wanted to check how many people lurking the list know there is an issue tracker too. Not trying to hijack your thread :-) Lieven. |
From: Kevin R. K. <ke...@kr...> - 2013-11-26 18:04:07
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Good news, I was able to petition for control of the Nabble forum. Turns out, no one in our group had any control over the forum, it was only Nabble employees. Anywho, I have added the same group of admin from github to nabble (Lieven, Marc, Michael, Jim. If you don't have a nabble account, when you sign up you should have admin access). Now, here is what I propose. 1. Lock down the Issues and Announce sub-forums so that no one can post there, but they are still searchable. 2. Add a banner at the top of those forums explaining that they are read only. 3. (Most controversial) Possibly lock down the main forum as well. I believe that this will prevent nabble users from directly posting to the forum, but the forum will still display messages sent to the Sourceforge mailing list. Essentially, this would make the nabble forum a read-only repository of messages. I believe that currently, if a nabble user posts directly to the forum, without using the sourceforge mailing list, the messages appear in the nabble forum only and are not sent to the mailing list. 3. (Alternative) I have no idea if this is possible, but currently when you post to the main forum at nabble you get the following message: ```The mailing list may require your subscription before accepting your post. Please note that being registered with Nabble does NOT automatically subscribe you to this mailing list. If you haven't subscribed yet, please do it now. If you aren't sure or don't remember, just subscribe again because there is no harm.``` Does anyone know if there is a way to alter the sourceforge list so that it will accept any message posted to nabble, even by an user not registered on the mailing list? Kevin On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Lieven Hollevoet <li...@li...> wrote: > Kevin, > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:17 PM, Kevin Robert Keegan <ke...@kr...>wrote: > >> Hijacking my own thread: >> >> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Lieven Hollevoet <li...@li...>wrote: >>> >>> Actually: is everybody who is reading this mailinglist aware there is an >>> issue tracker linked to the github account where we host our code? Should >>> we make a link between the two one way or the other? Or should we make that >>> clear one way or the other? >>> >> >> I generally assume that only those "actively" working on or interested in >> developing MH actually see the github messages. I use github issues to >> track or document problems. But for more in depth discussions I always >> post to the maillist. I am disinclined to forward github messages onto the >> mailing list b/c I feel like many of them get too deeply into the details >> that will just annoy everyone else. >> > > I agree with your 'disinclinement', I basically wanted to check how many > people lurking the list know there is an issue tracker too. Not trying to > hijack your thread :-) > > Lieven. > > |
From: Marc M. <ma...@me...> - 2013-11-27 02:39:08
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On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:03:56AM -0800, Kevin Robert Keegan wrote: > Does anyone know if there is a way to alter the sourceforge list so that it > will accept any message posted to nabble, even by an user not registered on > the mailing list? I'm on a boat on vacation, so not easy to check, but I'm pretty sure mailman allows filtering messages by Email header. This could be used to auto accept messages from nabble (I think). Marc -- "A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" - A.S.R. Microsoft is to operating systems .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | PGP 1024R/763BE901 |
From: JimMH <jsk...@sb...> - 2013-11-27 17:59:52
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I am not sure of the details but the system seems to work well the way it is (IMHO). I don't think the nabble list should be read only. I use it for most of my posts and find it works well (although I would be open to hearing what others use). Accessing the list on sourceforge and searching for things doesn't work very well for me - maybe I just don't know how to use it... Nabble requires people to register for the mh list which probably reduces spam. It gives warnings about needing to be registered and gives a warning with each posting that it hasn't been accepted yet to the main list. I am glad to hear we now have control of nabble mh lists because for some time it seemed orphaned but other than disabling the unused lists I don't see the need to do more. -- View this message in context: http://misterhouse.10964.n7.nabble.com/MisterHouse-Nabble-Sub-Forms-tp18510p18754.html Sent from the Misterhouse - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
From: jared <Jared.Fernandez@GMail.com> - 2013-12-10 23:30:13
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krkeegan wrote > 3. (Most controversial) Possibly lock down the main forum as well. I > believe that this will prevent nabble users from directly posting to the > forum, but the forum will still display messages sent to the Sourceforge > mailing list. Essentially, this would make the nabble forum a read-only > repository of messages. I believe that currently, if a nabble user posts > directly to the forum, without using the sourceforge mailing list, the > messages appear in the nabble forum only and are not sent to the mailing > list. Thus far, I have been using Nabble as my primary means of posting to the mailing list, mostly because I am more accustomed to the "forum" format in lieu of the mailing list format. However, I am nothing if not adaptable and if it is decided that we go with option #3 above, that is personally no problem for me. Just wanted to put in my $0.02 that I for one, along with a few others it seems, do currently use Nabble as my primary method of posting. -- View this message in context: http://misterhouse.10964.n7.nabble.com/MisterHouse-Nabble-Sub-Forms-tp18510p18857.html Sent from the Misterhouse - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
From: Kevin R. K. <ke...@kr...> - 2013-12-11 00:25:10
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Yes, item 3 was poorly thought out on my part. I failed to realize how many people actually use Nabble to post. So, the controversial idea for item 3 is out. The only question is: whether we try and make it so nabble users don't have to subscribe to the mailing list? Is the requirement of registering for the mailing list essential? We don't seem to have any spam on the Nabble forum, so Nabble registration alone may be sufficient. For those who do primarily use Nabble, was registering for the mailing list an annoying step? On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 3:30 PM, jared <Jar...@gm...> wrote: > Just wanted to put in my $0.02 that I for one, along with a few others it > seems, do currently use Nabble as my primary method of posting. |
From: jared <Jared.Fernandez@GMail.com> - 2013-12-11 00:55:54
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krkeegan wrote > Yes, item 3 was poorly thought out on my part. I failed to realize how > many people actually use Nabble to post. > > So, the controversial idea for item 3 is out. > > The only question is: whether we try and make it so nabble users don't > have > to subscribe to the mailing list? Is the requirement of registering for > the mailing list essential? We don't seem to have any spam on the Nabble > forum, so Nabble registration alone may be sufficient. > > For those who do primarily use Nabble, was registering for the mailing > list > an annoying step? Nah, I wouldn't say it was poorly thought out at all. I can certainly understand why it would be much easier to administer a list from a single source rather than three (isn't there a Yahoo group that's also linked?) or more completely different sources. I do see a tiny bit of spam on the Nabble forum, but it's less than one or two posts a month and I try to flag them ASAP. Now that you have acquired admin rights (thanks for that effort BTW), you should be able to approve the flags to remove those posts. Up until now, I was flagging them, but they were never being deleted since no one was administering. As for signing up for the mailing list through Nabble, if I remember correctly, Nabble provides a link in the warning message that it shows when you are not registered that takes care of the registration for you. Reviewing my email archives, this does seem to be the case--Nabble took care of the mailing list registration (via email w/ a link) and I then received a confirmation directly from the mailing list that I had been registered successfully. -- View this message in context: http://misterhouse.10964.n7.nabble.com/MisterHouse-Nabble-Sub-Forms-tp18510p18860.html Sent from the Misterhouse - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
From: Kevin R. K. <ke...@kr...> - 2013-12-11 01:16:59
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On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 4:55 PM, jared <Jar...@gm...> wrote: > Now that you have acquired > admin rights (thanks for that effort BTW), you should be able to approve > the > flags to remove those posts. Hmm, not sure how to find them, I don't seem to have a search option for them or any moderating. But Jared, as a penalty for being such a good samaritan, I added you as an admin as well. > As for signing up for the mailing list through Nabble, if I remember > correctly, Nabble provides a link in the warning message that it shows when > you are not registered that takes care of the registration for you. > My main concern are posts like this: http://misterhouse.10964.n7.nabble.com/mh-New-install-on-Windows-7-td18255.html It doesn't appear that this user ever registered or that anyone ever saw this post. |
From: jared <Jared.Fernandez@GMail.com> - 2013-12-11 01:51:11
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krkeegan wrote > On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 4:55 PM, jared < > Jared.Fernandez@ > > wrote: > >> Now that you have acquired >> admin rights (thanks for that effort BTW), you should be able to approve >> the >> flags to remove those posts. > > > Hmm, not sure how to find them, I don't seem to have a search option for > them or any moderating. But Jared, as a penalty for being such a good > samaritan, I added you as an admin as well. > > >> As for signing up for the mailing list through Nabble, if I remember >> correctly, Nabble provides a link in the warning message that it shows >> when >> you are not registered that takes care of the registration for you. >> > > My main concern are posts like this: > > http://misterhouse.10964.n7.nabble.com/mh-New-install-on-Windows-7-td18255.html > > It doesn't appear that this user ever registered or that anyone ever saw > this post. Haha, thanks. I will try to help out as much as possible so you can focus on coding ;) I see what you mean by the missed post. It would be nice if there were a delay or approve feature where topics could be manually checked for spam before being forwarded on to the mailing list. Searching through the options, this does not seem to be possible. Then again, if manual intervention were required in order to for messages to be approved, then you have to worry about making sure you always have a vigilant admin to ensure that posts are getting through. Here is an example of a recent spam post: http://misterhouse.10964.n7.nabble.com/Bodybuilding-Stretch-Marks-Prevent-Them-Reduce-Them-td18847.html I received an email for this one because I am subscribed to the Nabble forum in addition to the mailing list, but because of the current settings, mailing list-only subscribers did not have to see it. Like I said before, I think the most that we would see by opening up posts would be an increase of one or two spam messages per month. That's not very much in my opinion, but others may want to weigh in. As for the flagging--you are right; I am guessing that those messages are sent directly to Nabble and then it takes a while before they are eventually removed. Looking back through the forum, it seems that they may have finally gotten around to deleting most of the messages I had reported (took several months). -- View this message in context: http://misterhouse.10964.n7.nabble.com/MisterHouse-Nabble-Sub-Forms-tp18510p18862.html Sent from the Misterhouse - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
From: Kevin R. K. <ke...@kr...> - 2013-12-11 17:42:05
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One more oddity, I just posted using the nabble forum: http://misterhouse.10964.n7.nabble.com/AD2USB-event-states-td18416.html#a18869 and my post was not accepted by the mailing list. So there are intricacies to the mailing-list that are very annoying. On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Kevin Robert Keegan <ke...@kr...>wrote: > Hi Sean, I didn't realize you were on the list. The user needs to > subscribe to the mailing list. I replied to your customer with > instructions. > > Again, things like this continue to demonstrate that a small subset of > users is being denied the ability to participate in discussions because of > the complexity of the Nabble->Sourceforge relationship. > > > On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 9:33 PM, Sean Mathews <mat...@nu...> wrote: > >> A customer was looking for info on integration for his AD2USB so I asked >> him to post to the list but I dont think its getting into the list? >> >> >> http://misterhouse.10964.n7.nabble.com/AD2USB-event-states-tp18416p18838.html >> >> Should I have him repost someplace else? >> >> Regards >> Sean Mathews >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT >> organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance >> affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your >> Java,.NET, & PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics >> Pro! >> >> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk >> ________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from this list, go to: >> http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=1365 >> >> >> > |
From: jared <Jared.Fernandez@GMail.com> - 2013-12-11 17:47:34
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krkeegan wrote > One more oddity, I just posted using the nabble forum: > > http://misterhouse.10964.n7.nabble.com/AD2USB-event-states-td18416.html#a18869 > > and my post was not accepted by the mailing list. So there are > intricacies > to the mailing-list that are very annoying. With Nabble, I have found that even if you are subscribed you will get the "This messages has not been accepted...yet" alert at the top of new posts, which subsequently disappears after a few minutes. I do not see that message right now on the post you mentioned--were you seeing that previously? -- View this message in context: http://misterhouse.10964.n7.nabble.com/MisterHouse-Nabble-Sub-Forms-tp18510p18873.html Sent from the Misterhouse - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
From: Kevin R. K. <ke...@kr...> - 2013-12-11 17:53:36
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Ahh, you are right, I can see it in the archives. My apologies. On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 9:47 AM, jared <Jar...@gm...> wrote: > With Nabble, I have found that even if you are subscribed you will get the > "This messages has not been accepted...yet" alert at the top of new posts, > which subsequently disappears after a few minutes. > |
From: jared <Jared.Fernandez@GMail.com> - 2013-12-11 17:56:32
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krkeegan wrote > Ahh, you are right, I can see it in the archives. My apologies. I too found this a bit confusing at first, but it seems that Nabble monitors the mailing list and only removes this message once it sees the message was successfully accepted, which takes a short while. -- View this message in context: http://misterhouse.10964.n7.nabble.com/MisterHouse-Nabble-Sub-Forms-tp18510p18876.html Sent from the Misterhouse - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |