Re: [mh] sending x10 status from MH

[Troy Carpenter <troy@ca...>]

David,

I posted an message Wednesday about my problems with Lynx10PLC, Switchlincs, 
and groups.  Am I to understand that there are changes coming in the area of 
groups and Lynx10 that might make my group sets for "on" and "off" work?

It also seems that I am joining the ranks of the few "fringe" Lynx10PLC 
users :)

Troy Carpenter
troy@...

On Wednesday 26 April 2006 19:11, David J Mark wrote:
> No problem.  The latest snag is just some missing updates to the serial
> item library.  The Lynx controller (and "Marrick" controller, whatever that
> is) will work with mh groups soon...
>
> I plan to upgrade to one myself.  The very first day the cm11 has to be
> unplugged.  I will not be a slave to a plastic wall wart.  That is the
> opposite of automation.
>
> "Scott Reston" <scott@...> wrote in message
> news:444FF596.5030708@...
>
> > I've had mixed feelings about switching over to the Lynx10. I had
> > decided i'd had my fill of faulty CM11s and the Lynx *is* rock-solid
> > stable, but I feel like I've become a fringe user as it seems most MHers
> > are CM11 users.
> >
> > Thanks for keeping up with the Lynx updates!
> >
> > s:r
> >
> > David J Mark wrote:
> >> Thanks Scott.  Don't expect it to work at the moment, but it will
> >> soon...
> >>
> >> I sent the updates to serial_items.pl in and there was another change
> >> posted
> >> here for the Lynx module.  Once those are changed, it should work just
> >> like
> >> the cm11, Stargate, etc.
> >>
> >> "Scott Reston" <scott@...> wrote in message
> >> news:444FE6D3.2020008@...
> >>
> >>> I'm using a Lynx10PLC. I kinda gave up on groups while the group code
> >>> was being worked on , so I'll have to sit down and do some testing
> >>> tomorrow... I'll report back.
> >>>
> >>> s:r
> >>>
> >>> David J Mark wrote:
> >>>> No problem Scott.  I have a question for you:  which X10 controller
> >>>> are you
> >>>> using?  Which was the one that had the problem with the garage doors
> >>>> (or
> >>>> some doors anyway?)  I just noticed some code in Serial_Items.pm that
> >>>> is
> >>>> likely hampering group sets (broken on one of the controllers and
> >>>> perhaps
> >>>> slow on the other at the moment.)
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyway, does your Lynx (?) work with the new group code?  If you turn
> >>>> a group on with several lights on the same house code, is it instant
> >>>> or does
> >>>> it do the old "one at a time" thing?
> >>>>
> >>>> "Scott Reston" <scott@...> wrote in message
> >>>> news:444F72DC.3030605@...
> >>>>
> >>>>> Brent (and anyone else following along) -
> >>>>>
> >>>>> With some help from David Mark, I got this working...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It looks like the switches won't 'hear' a status command, but they
> >>>>> hear
> >>>>> their actual assigned code just fine, so:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> $kitchen_switch_led = new
> >>>>> Serial_Item('XD1DJ','notify1ON','Lynx10PLC');
> >>>>>
> >>>>> $kitchen_switch_led ->add
> >>>>> ('XD1DK','notify1OFF','Lynx10PLC');
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> then you can:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> set $kitchen_switch_led 'notify1ON';
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> you can also tie the state of the led item to that of whatever serial
> >>>>> input you use... then make sure that the state names (notify1ON,OFF)
> >>>>> match up with the states of that item.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks, David!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> s:r
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Brent DeShazer wrote:
> >>>>>> I don't have an answer for you right now Scott but this is something
> >>>>>> I'm
> >>>>>> working on right now myself. I have one of these keypads in each of
> >>>>>> my
> >>>>>> daughters rooms and use one of the buttons to send an X10 command
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>> Misterhouse receives and turns the PA speaker on in that room. Of
> >>>>>> course,
> >>>>>> when MH turns the speaker on for other reasons (by the web
> >>>>>> interface, etc.)
> >>>>>> the button light is not set appropriately. I tried using tie_items
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> got
> >>>>>> MH in a loop of sending/receiving the same command over and over.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Seems like I remember something like this being discussed on the
> >>>>>> list sometime in the past few years but can't recall what the exact
> >>>>>> context
> >>>>>> was...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If you figure something out let me (and the list) know, otherwise
> >>>>>> I'll
> >>>>>> try
> >>>>>> and tackle this sometime in the next week and see if I can't come up
> >>>>>> with
> >>>>>> something.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Maybe someone else has some ideas?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Brent
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: misterhouse-users-admin@...
> >>>>>> [mailto:misterhouse-users-admin@...]On Behalf Of
> >>>>>> Scott
> >>>>>> Reston
> >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 10:57 AM
> >>>>>> To: misterhouse-users@...
> >>>>>> Subject: [mh] sending x10 status from MH
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I recently got one of the 6-button smartlink switches
> >>>>>> (http://www.smarthome.com/12073ww.html). The buttons will turn their
> >>>>>> LED
> >>>>>> on/off when they see a status change on the house wiring. The thing
> >>>>>> is,
> >>>>>> I use the buttons to change things that don't always generate an X10
> >>>>>> command on the powerline... turning a tv on/off for instance. I
> >>>>>> might do
> >>>>>> this from an IR remote control... and MH is aware of the change, but
> >>>>>> no
> >>>>>> X10 signal occurs.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm looking for a way to keep the LEDs on the switch in sync. Is the
> >>>>>> 'manual' state the same as an on/off? like XA1AJ / XA1AK or is there
> >>>>>> an
> >>>>>> alternate command that I can send that announces an X10 devices
> >>>>>> status
> >>>>>> without the actual on/off (is that what the status commands do)?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Alternately, is there a way to send the command (say an XA1AJ) from
> >>>>>> MH
> >>>>>> without having MH execute commands for that code (don't try to turn
> >>>>>> on
> >>>>>> the TV - it's already on...)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thoughts anyone?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> s:r {
> >>>>>>   scott reston
> >>>>>>   http://scott.therestons.com
> >>>>>>   scott@...
> >>>>>>   919-876-2170
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Re: [mh] Set $Save variable from web page

[Matthew Williams <mattrwilliams@us...>]

David J Mark wrote:

> I am not sure what you mean by most instances.  Security was only one thing 
> that concerned me.  How would you define who is permitted to set a scalar? 
> Right there it gets confusing.

In order to use the SET functionality, you must be an authorized user,
either by logging in or by coming from an authorized IP address.  The only
time this isn't enforced is when the TK interface is using the SET
functionality, but this implies physical access to the machine that started
misterhouse.  I still can't think of a security concern that is global
scalar specific.  If you can, then do let me know as I am truly concerned
about security (my alarm system is coupled into mh).

> Misterhouse's current Web API has everything needed.  Adding a new bridge to 
> directly manipulate global variables makes for a new strain of spaghetti 
> code.  Think about it.  Global vars are bad enough as all code can change 
> them (ex. $Respond_Target, which gets stepped on constantly.)  Anyway, 
> objects present a specific interface.  The Web scripts interact with that 
> interface, which in turn interacts with the rest of the program.  This is 
> much preferable to allowing every script to directly manipulate every 
> variable in the program.

Well, mh's current API relies on the SET functionality in order to perform
it's magic.  For example, look at the default Control Modes & Events page.
You will see that every press of a button results in a call to SET.

Not everything in mh has been implemented as an object as objects do not
make sense for every piece of functionality (e.g. the %Weather hash).  And
remember, because of the central design of misterhouse, pretty much
everything is a global (aside from private my variables within blocks).  We
also have developers that do not understand OO programming yet still want to
contribute.  If this was a strictly managed project, then we would likely
have different rules about how the codebase is managed - design documents,
peer reviews, etc..  However, mh has a very different philosophy.  My
experience is that everyone is encouraged to contribute code, regardless of
how well-formed or well-designed the code is.  That's just the nature of mh.
 The good side is that we have lots of contributors and lots of
functionality.  The bad side is that we have a mix of programming styles,
APIs and representative types.

As you have mentioned in another post, you can disable the functionality in
your local copy, but I'm not sure that is going to buy you anything.  I
don't believe that it will increase your security and it may cause you some
issues.  Brent was the one who discovered the newly broken functionality,
but it may have been affecting other parts of mh as well as it was only
broken for 10 days and never put in an official release.

We could do a review of all of the mh code to see if anyone else is using
the scalar SET functionality - I know lots of people are using the object
SET functionality.  And we could remove the scalar SET functionality.
However this is only the tip of the iceberg / slippery slope / other over
used phrase.  To truly fix the problem, everything would have to be made oo
and this is just not going to happen.

To summarize, I agree that the best code design philosophy would be to have
well defined APIs, everything as an object and stricter control over how
code is added.  I don't believe that this is not going to happen, though.
The nature of the existing code base, the available code review resources,
PERL's relaxed attitude about enforcing oo APIs and the skill level of
contributors makes this a monumental task.  When people ask the list for
code advice, I do recommend that they use an oo design.  I can't and won't
speak for Bruce on this one, but I don't see him enforcing these types of
policies.

Again, if you think of a security concern for the SET functionality that is
scalar specific, do let us know.

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Re: [mh] Viewing Comics with MrAudrey

[<montef@be...>]

> When I try and view the Comics channel on my Audrey I get a blank screen.  I
> also get a blank frame when I access the comics via the "Main" channel by
> going to the Comics/Picture section from the front page.

 I have the same problem. I have the Mr. Audrey software loaded on my
 Audrey.

 I can see the comics just fine if I look at my MH web page from Firefox
 on either my Linux or my Windows machines. I just can't see them on the
 Audrey. Just a blank white screen.

> I have an Apache server running on port 80 of the same machine that I have
> Misterhouse running on port 8000 and the weird thing is that I'm getting the
> following entries in the Apache log files:

 No other web server running on my MH box. Just MH, running on port
 8080.

> Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to fix this?

 Yep. I'd like to have this working too, since I've finally taken Audrey
 out of the computer room and put her in the front part of the house. :)

 Now I want another Audrey or two... *sigh*

-- 
	-Monte

[mh] Viewing Comics with MrAudrey

[Chris Barrett <chris@ba...>]

When I try and view the Comics channel on my Audrey I get a blank screen.  I
also get a blank frame when I access the comics via the "Main" channel by
going to the Comics/Picture section from the front page.

I have an Apache server running on port 80 of the same machine that I have
Misterhouse running on port 8000 and the weird thing is that I'm getting the
following entries in the Apache log files:

/var/log/httpd/access_log:
192.168.0.219 - - [27/Apr/2006:22:38:47 +1000] "GET /comics/ HTTP/1.0" 404
290 "http://mh:8000//ia5/"; "Mozilla/4.7 (Win98; Audrey)"

/var/log/httpd/error_log:
[Thu Apr 27 22:38:47 2006] [error] [client 192.168.0.219] File does not
exist: /var/www/html/comics, referer: http://mh:8000//ia5/

It's as if the port number (8000) is somehow being dropped.

You can see that MH's HTTP server is seeing the request because the
following appeared in the log file
(/home/mh/data/logs/server_http.2006_04.log):
Thu 27/04/06 22:38:47 192.168.0.219 /comics

The downloaded comics are stored in /home/mh/web/comics/ and I have the
following entry in /home/mh/mh.private.ini:
html_alias_comics=$config_parms{web_dir}/comics

192.168.0.219 is the IP address of my Audrey.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to fix this?

RE: [mh] Web interface update

[Brent DeShazer <brent@de...>]

I think David indicated in one of his messages that he was planning on doing
this, he just wasn't quite ready yet.

-----Original Message-----
From: misterhouse-users-admin@...
[mailto:misterhouse-users-admin@...]On Behalf Of Ron
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 3:01 AM
To: misterhouse-users@...
Subject: RE: [mh] Web interface update




>This does not look sizeable to me.  Nested tables with an IFrame?  I have
been down that road.  It is static size or >>nothing (at least on most
>browsers.)  This looks as rigid as the IAx interfaces, which scared away
developers for years.  It took months to tear the >current thing (IA5) down
and put it back together as a "normal" Web page.  Now finally I have
something that can be >expanded and customized easily (ex. a page with
speech, mp3 controls and AP breaking news takes about five minutes to slap
>together in notepad and the auto update is free!)


Hi David,

Why not publish your web interface, like I did with IA5?
So perhaps others could benefit from it...

Regards,
Ron.

RE: [mh] DIY door opener

[Roussell, Terry <TRoussell@dr...>]

David,
It depends on how the system is designed. If the pressure is removed
from the system after the door is opened/closed it can be moved quite
easily. The only resistance would be from air escaping through the
supply ports on the cylinder. If you wanted to get really fancy, that
could be overcome with a closed loop system that sensed manual operation
of the door and supplied a few psi of "assistance" in the proper
direction.

An electric screw-type actuator would almost certainly require a manual
override. I was thinking about this last night as I was replacing one of
those little spring-loaded hinge pins that helps to keep doors closed. I
suppose you could also use some type of gear-reduction motor with a
lever to move the door. For manual operation, it would need some type of
auto-engaging clutch thingy.

To answer your earlier post: Yes, pneumatics will require an ugly (eye
of the beholder) air compressor somewhere. The lines and actuator can be
small and relatively hidden however. I'd include in the mix a storage
tank sized so that I could get several opens/closes before the
compressor recharged.



Terry

-----Original Message-----
From: misterhouse-users-admin@...
[mailto:misterhouse-users-admin@...] On Behalf Of
David Norwood
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 8:01 PM
To: misterhouse-users@...
Subject: Re: [mh] DIY door opener

> Granger has some beautiful pneumatic cylinders also. You'll definitely
> pay more. But as Joel pointed out, The piece of mind and safety it
> provides is worth it.

Terry, if I go with a stock pneumatic cylinder or actuator, I will have
to=20
engineer some of manual override, right?  I mean, they normally can't be

moved by hand, can they?

David




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[mh] Floorplans

[N <yahoo@ri...>]

I've seen a few mentions of floor plans on here, I've tried it once with 
misterhouse and couldn't get anything better than an untidy looking html 
table.  Is there a tutorial out there for something neater which uses 
the co-ordinates and room sizes that misterhouse already includes?

Thanks,

Nigel

[mh] MH speech

[Steve Bailey <steve@me...>]

I was wondering if MH is still capaable of talking through a standard  
web browser interface?  I know it can push sound files to the audrey  
but I'm having trouble getting just a regular web browser on a remote  
client to receive TTS.  I've disabled webmute and tried to do some  
basic stuff like speak the tagline but no voice has come through yet.

I just want to make sure this is still a feature of the product  
before I go to far into the troubleshooting mode.

RE: [mh] Web interface update

[Ron <ron@za...>]

>This does not look sizeable to me.  Nested tables with an IFrame?  I have
been down that road.  It is static size or >>nothing (at least on most
>browsers.)  This looks as rigid as the IAx interfaces, which scared away
developers for years.  It took months to tear the >current thing (IA5) down
and put it back together as a "normal" Web page.  Now finally I have
something that can be >expanded and customized easily (ex. a page with
speech, mp3 controls and AP breaking news takes about five minutes to slap
>together in notepad and the auto update is free!)


Hi David,

Why not publish your web interface, like I did with IA5? 
So perhaps others could benefit from it...

Regards,
Ron.

Re: [mh] DIY door opener

[David Norwood <dnorwood2@ya...>]

I like that one.  One problem is you have to disconnect it to work the =
door manually.  I guess the regulars could get used to using the remote =
control.  Also, I need to figure out how I can interface misterhouse to =
it, since I can't use the remote.   I need to use something like RFID =
tags to sense when I am at the door and open it even if it's locked.  =
Worst case is I wire relays to the buttons on the remote.  =20

David=20
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  Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 10:50 PM
  Subject: Re: [mh] DIY door opener


  How about this?

  http://www.smarthome.com/3180L.HTML

  3180L AUTOMATIC SLIDING PATIO DOOR SYSTEM LEFT HAND DOOR  $299.99

  On 4/26/2006 1:47 AM, David Norwood wrote:=20
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door opener.  This is for a new construction and can be for a standard =
wood door or a glass slider.  I have found turnkey solutions on the net, =
but they are very expensive.  I figure I can save a lot of money if I =
buy the components myself and have the contractor or a friend install =
them.  I've seen the lock/unlock mechanisms discussed here, but not the =
opening actuators.  Anyone have recommendations?  =20

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[mh] Testing the games_chess.pl , not working, help ....

[iner <inkimar@gm...>]

Hello!

New to Perl.
But hoping that you can help me out here.

Downloaded the file from :
http://w3.misterhouse.net:81/mh/code/public/games_chess.pl
Followed the installation steps.

but when running games_chess.pl I get the following error:
     C:\Perl\inkis>games_chess.pl
     Undefined subroutine &Timer::new called at Voice_Cmd.pm line 12.
     Compilation failed in require at C:\Perl\inkis\games_chess.pl line 33.
     BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at C:\Perl\inkis\games_chess.pl line
33.

Thought I had to change the @INC:
Today I have the following settings:
       Built under MSWin32
       Compiled at Jun  6 2005 13:36:37
       @INC:
         C:/Perl/lib
         C:/Perl/site/lib
         .

Thought that the problem would be solved if I copied the 'Voice_Cmd.pm' to
the ' C:\Perl\inkis'
where I execute my games_chess.pl - but that did not help.

Hope that you can help me.

Regards, i

Re: [mh] DIY door opener

[Ingo Dean <idean@in...>]

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
  <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type">
</head>
<body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
How about this?<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.smarthome.com/3180L.HTML">http://www.smarthome.com/3180L.HTML</a><br>;
<br>
3180L&nbsp;AUTOMATIC SLIDING PATIO DOOR SYSTEM LEFT HAND DOOR
<!-- End Main Cart Row --><input size="1" value="1" name="txt3180L"
 type="hidden"><input name="typeofsub" value="subbuy" type="hidden"> <font
 color="#666666" face="Arial" size="4"><strong><!-- Item Price -->
$299.99</strong></font><br>
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On 4/26/2006 1:47 AM, David Norwood wrote:
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  <div><font face="Arial" size="2">I'm in a wheelchair and I'm looking
for a do-it-yourself automatic door opener.&nbsp; This is for a new
construction and can be for a standard wood door or a glass slider.&nbsp; I
have found turnkey solutions on the net, but they are very expensive.&nbsp;
I figure I can save a lot of money if I buy the components myself and
have the contractor or a friend install them.&nbsp; I've seen the
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[mh] Re: DIY door opener

[Larry Moss <moss@fo...>]

I'm also interested in low cost door openers.  In my current house, my wife
only enters through the garage since that's the only usable entrance for
her chair anyway.  We're hoping to build in the not too distant future and
I'd like to put in an opener on a standard door. I'm actually starting to
get a feel for what I want in an accessible house.

I may have just stumbled across a DIY door opener solution due to a
childhood dream I've started researching.  I always said that if I were to
build a house from scratch, I'd have a secret room in it.  This site
sells/builds complete hidden doorways and passageways, many (all?) of which
are automated/powered.
 	http://www.hiddenpassageway.com/
They say they sell prefab kits for DIYers.  I wonder if they'd have
something at a decent price that you could use on a normal door.  their
site doesn't have a lot of information, but I'm sure email or a phone call
will get something useful.

Have any of you folks into HA played with secret doors?  Any pointers?

Larry Moss, http://www.fooledya.com
PO Box 23523, Rochester, NY 14692, (585) 359-8695
Magic, juggling, balloon art and other useless skills

Re: [mh] Insteon Switchlinc 3-way circuit

[David Norwood <dnorwood2@ya...>]

> I figured it out.  They don't default to A1 either.  Apparently they got 
> the HAIL/ACK stuff to work.

Would you descibe briefly how the HAIL/ACK X10 commands work?  I've never 
seen them documented anywhere.

David

Re: [mh] Insteon Switchlinc 3-way circuit

[David J Mark <dmark@ci...>]

Didn't have time to really read this before.  There is a lot of info here 
that I don't really understand and I am not sure if it affected.

"Jack Edin" <jack@...> wrote in message 
news:44501F45.2060509@...
> David,
>
> Simmer down... This is easy!
>
> ;-)
>
> If you install an Insteon SwitchLinc or ICON in-wall dimmer switch at both 
> ends of the 3-way, replacing whatever you had before...
>
> There will be the normal ground and neutral wires in each box...
>
> One of the boxes will have a wire that is the HOT, from the breaker panel. 
> Usually Black...
> One of the boxes will have the wire that goes to the lamp fixture... 
> Usually Black too.

I had somebody do it and they said they wired it per the instructions for 
the virtual 3-way circuit.  I guess he did it right as it works now.

>
> Then there will be a "runner" that goes between the two boxes, usually 
> Red.
>

I recall there was a link between them and I would have expected it to use 
that to communicate with the other switch (controller.)

> What needs to happen is this:
>
> After you identify the wires, as described above...
>
> Each Insteon switch CAN control a load, but in a 3-way only one DOES...

Right.  And apparently the same model can be a master or slave.

> So on the switch in the box that leads to the lamp (MAIN) will have it's 
> Red load wire connected to the light's wire. The switch in the other box 
> (SECONDARY) will have it's Red load wire capped-off, and it will remain 
> unused.

Right.

>
> The question IS does each switch's box have a live Black wire? One may 
> not, and thus the reason for the "Runner"...

One did not.

>
> You might need to USE the "runner" wire to bring a HOT lead to the other 
> switch. Insteon switches need Hot, Neutral, and Ground to function.

I don't know what he did.

>
> -------------
>
> Once the switches are physically wired, and in place only ONE will operate 
> the light at this moment.

Right and it is not on A1 by default (which threw me.)

>
> Now you need to LINK the two switches to each other. Cross linking is what 
> you'll be doing...
>
> Very simple...
>
> Press and hold the MAIN switch's ON... At least 10 seconds... The little 
> LED will start flashing (and the lights'll flash)...

Right.  Sets to programming mode.  Can also be done with a series of X10 
commands.  Not sure if it defaults to allow that or not.  I think the old 
ones did.

>
> Now walk over to the SECONDARY switch and do the same... Don't let go till 
> you see the light's flash once, no more than about 15 seconds oughta git 
> 'er done...

See, I didn't do this at all.  I programmed them just like the old ones (one 
at a time.)  Same address on both.  Then it worked.

>
> You have now linked the two switches, but only in ONE direction. You now 
> have to repeat the process.
>
> Press and hold the SECONDARY switch's ON... At least 10 seconds... The 
> little LED will start flashing but the light may not flash...
>
> Now walk back to the MAIN switch and do the same... The load may not 
> flash...

This is where I am getting lost.  Is this only needed if you want to use 
Insteon?  I am just using X10.  It seems to work no differently than 
creating a virtual 3-way with KeypadLinc's, SwitchLinc's, etc.

>
> You need to make sure they go out of linking mode. Tap the switch to exit, 
> if the little LED is still flashing...
>
> Now both switches will operate the load.
>
> And you could easily make the 3-way into an N-way, just program additional 
> Secondary switches... Or the KeypadLink...

I suppose I could do it the same way I did these. (?)   I don't have any 
4-ways.  At that point I use scenes.

>
> ----------------
>
> Any switch can be an Insteon controller...
>
> The KeypadLink can control a load, but the other buttons are for 
> controlling other devices... or macros (scenes.)

I have a bunch of them.  They work well.  The scene programming is easy on 
these.  I think it is best to take full advantage of that if you run these 
switches.  It cuts way down on the amount of work the PC controller has to 
do.  mh triggers work the same, you just use set_receive instead of set. 
That is the solution for all out there trying to send three ON's in a row in 
a trigger (or setting groups with lots of modules that span different house 
codes.)

>
> Note:
>
> When you go to control the N-Way circuit virtually (from a computer), you 
> need only control the MAIN switch...

I don't get this either.  I control these just like any 2-way X10 switches. 
They share the same address.

>
> Insteon works, and it is only getting better!

I can't completely vouch for it as I am not really using it.

>
> I hope this helps...

Thanks a lot for all of the help!

>
> Sincerely,
>
> Jack
> :)
>
>>This seems really stupid.  I asked SmartHome if these would do 3-way 
>>circuits.  I didn't say "virtual 3-way circuits."  Doesn't work either and 
>>I am sure they are wired correctly.  I give.  What is an "Insteon 
>>Controller." A maxi-controller with an LED?  The documentation is 
>>ridiculous.  Were they trying to save paper?  A definition of "Insteon 
>>Controller" (which is referred to 20 times) would have been nice.  I am 
>>sure I don't need it and just as sure that their marketing department 
>>wants me to buy it.  Does anyone else out there have these newer 
>>SwitchLincs (and does the virtual 3-way trick work?)
>>
>>Funny how virtual n-way circuits have worked with KeyPadLinc's and X10 for 
>>years, but somebody was not happy with that and had to layer a whole new 
>>mess on top of it.  I think the PCS stuff does true 3-way circuits, but I 
>>had moved away from them for reasons I can't remember.
>>
>>And the status responses are still bogus (and I have reported it at least 
>>twice.)  I guess fixing problems with existing products does not generate 
>>headlines, so they spend all of their time inventing new stuff (and new 
>>problems.)  I hate Insteon already.
>
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Re: [mh] Insteon Switchlinc 3-way circuit

[David J Mark <dmark@ci...>]

"Jack Edin" <jack@...> wrote in message 
news:44501F45.2060509@...
> David,
>
> Simmer down... This is easy!

It turns out it was, no thanks to the obtuse instructions.

>
> ;-)
>
> If you install an Insteon SwitchLinc or ICON in-wall dimmer switch at both 
> ends of the 3-way, replacing whatever you had before...
>
> There will be the normal ground and neutral wires in each box...
>
> One of the boxes will have a wire that is the HOT, from the breaker panel. 
> Usually Black...
> One of the boxes will have the wire that goes to the lamp fixture... 
> Usually Black too.
>
> Then there will be a "runner" that goes between the two boxes, usually 
> Red.
>
> What needs to happen is this:
>
> After you identify the wires, as described above...
>
> Each Insteon switch CAN control a load, but in a 3-way only one DOES... So 
> on the switch in the box that leads to the lamp (MAIN) will have it's Red 
> load wire connected to the light's wire. The switch in the other box 
> (SECONDARY) will have it's Red load wire capped-off, and it will remain 
> unused.
>
> The question IS does each switch's box have a live Black wire? One may 
> not, and thus the reason for the "Runner"...
>
> You might need to USE the "runner" wire to bring a HOT lead to the other 
> switch. Insteon switches need Hot, Neutral, and Ground to function.
>
> -------------
>
> Once the switches are physically wired, and in place only ONE will operate 
> the light at this moment.
>
> Now you need to LINK the two switches to each other. Cross linking is what 
> you'll be doing...
>
> Very simple...
>
> Press and hold the MAIN switch's ON... At least 10 seconds... The little 
> LED will start flashing (and the lights'll flash)...

I figured it out.  They don't default to A1 either.  Apparently they got the 
HAIL/ACK stuff to work.  For the record they work fine now.  The LED's are 
cool.  I am not using Insteon, but some of my newer wall switches are 
apparently Insteon controllers (as well as X10.)  I just set the primary 
address for both (to the same address of course.)  I could have sworn that 
they were trying to sell me a maxi-controller.  They all try that.  Well 
duh, the "controller" is the switch itself.

Re: [mh] Insteon Switchlinc 3-way circuit

[David Norwood <dnorwood2@ya...>]

That is a very good explanation, Jack.  It should go in the wiki.

David

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack Edin" <jack@...>
To: <misterhouse-users@...>
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [mh] Insteon Switchlinc 3-way circuit


> David,
>
> Simmer down... This is easy!
>
> ;-)
>
> If you install an Insteon SwitchLinc or ICON in-wall dimmer switch at both 
> ends of the 3-way, replacing whatever you had before...
>
> There will be the normal ground and neutral wires in each box...
>
> One of the boxes will have a wire that is the HOT, from the breaker panel. 
> Usually Black...
> One of the boxes will have the wire that goes to the lamp fixture... 
> Usually Black too.
>
> Then there will be a "runner" that goes between the two boxes, usually 
> Red.
>
> What needs to happen is this:
>
> After you identify the wires, as described above...
>
> Each Insteon switch CAN control a load, but in a 3-way only one DOES... So 
> on the switch in the box that leads to the lamp (MAIN) will have it's Red 
> load wire connected to the light's wire. The switch in the other box 
> (SECONDARY) will have it's Red load wire capped-off, and it will remain 
> unused.
>
> The question IS does each switch's box have a live Black wire? One may 
> not, and thus the reason for the "Runner"...
>
> You might need to USE the "runner" wire to bring a HOT lead to the other 
> switch. Insteon switches need Hot, Neutral, and Ground to function.
>
> -------------
>
> Once the switches are physically wired, and in place only ONE will operate 
> the light at this moment.
>
> Now you need to LINK the two switches to each other. Cross linking is what 
> you'll be doing...
>
> Very simple...
>
> Press and hold the MAIN switch's ON... At least 10 seconds... The little 
> LED will start flashing (and the lights'll flash)...
>
> Now walk over to the SECONDARY switch and do the same... Don't let go till 
> you see the light's flash once, no more than about 15 seconds oughta git 
> 'er done...
>
> You have now linked the two switches, but only in ONE direction. You now 
> have to repeat the process.
>
> Press and hold the SECONDARY switch's ON... At least 10 seconds... The 
> little LED will start flashing but the light may not flash...
>
> Now walk back to the MAIN switch and do the same... The load may not 
> flash...
>
> You need to make sure they go out of linking mode. Tap the switch to exit, 
> if the little LED is still flashing...
>
> Now both switches will operate the load.
>
> And you could easily make the 3-way into an N-way, just program additional 
> Secondary switches... Or the KeypadLink...
>
> ----------------
>
> Any switch can be an Insteon controller...
>
> The KeypadLink can control a load, but the other buttons are for 
> controlling other devices... or macros (scenes.)
>
> Note:
>
> When you go to control the N-Way circuit virtually (from a computer), you 
> need only control the MAIN switch...
>
> Insteon works, and it is only getting better!
>
> I hope this helps...
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Jack
> :)
>
>>This seems really stupid.  I asked SmartHome if these would do 3-way 
>>circuits.  I didn't say "virtual 3-way circuits."  Doesn't work either and 
>>I am sure they are wired correctly.  I give.  What is an "Insteon 
>>Controller." A maxi-controller with an LED?  The documentation is 
>>ridiculous.  Were they trying to save paper?  A definition of "Insteon 
>>Controller" (which is referred to 20 times) would have been nice.  I am 
>>sure I don't need it and just as sure that their marketing department 
>>wants me to buy it.  Does anyone else out there have these newer 
>>SwitchLincs (and does the virtual 3-way trick work?)
>>
>>Funny how virtual n-way circuits have worked with KeyPadLinc's and X10 for 
>>years, but somebody was not happy with that and had to layer a whole new 
>>mess on top of it.  I think the PCS stuff does true 3-way circuits, but I 
>>had moved away from them for reasons I can't remember.
>>
>>And the status responses are still bogus (and I have reported it at least 
>>twice.)  I guess fixing problems with existing products does not generate 
>>headlines, so they spend all of their time inventing new stuff (and new 
>>problems.)  I hate Insteon already.
>
>
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Re: [mh] Process_Item and email?

[David Norwood <dnorwood2@ya...>]

For initial installs, can't we just create private code, data, lib, sounds, 
and web directories and an ini file that points to them?  There seem to be a 
lot of new users who skip this step in the documentation and then go through 
a lot pain during an upgrade.  Why not make it easier?  Also, does your 
installer handle cases where perl is installed and the case where the 
compiled version of misterhouse is desired?

David


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David J Mark" <dmark@...>
To: <misterhouse-users@...>
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: [mh] Process_Item and email?


>I tried to email it to Bruce last night.  It bounced because of the 8MB 
>attachment, so I am going to put it on a Web site in the next few days.  As 
>for the private code, that should be a non-issue with the MSI.  If you add 
>a code file or INI file, that one will not be touched by repairs, upgrades, 
>etc.  Same for new folders.
>
> Anyway, it will be in the next release (and available to test soon) and I 
> can post the project files if there is any call.  It is really just a way 
> to make the bloated MS installer app copy all of the files into the right 
> places.  It creates a couple of shortcuts and that is about it.  The 
> Windows icon is fixed too.
>
> I almost forgot.  There is a new Windows app that launches the mh.bat file 
> (after making sure it is in the right folder.)  Believe it or not, there 
> was no way around it.  The stupid Visual Installer application does not 
> expose the startup folder for the shortcuts it creates.  Really.  I never 
> had to set this for my Windows apps as they don't care what folder they 
> start in. The mh batch file definitely cares and so does the executable. 
> It has been about 20 years since I wrote my last batch file.  Isn't there 
> some way to do change to directory that the batch is in?  Seems to me 
> there is.
>
> "David Norwood" <dnorwood2@...> wrote in message 
> news:010601c6698f$b7278c60$1501a8c0@...
>>> Heads up to anyone that is having path problems, specifically related to 
>>> Windows and spaces in the path.  I just created an MSI to install mh on 
>>> Windows boxes and it works in Program Files/mh without issues.  I 
>>> imagine issues will come up as soon as I start adding common code 
>>> modules.  They all need to be cleaned up to work with spaces in the 
>>> path.  So which methods work and which don't?  I know the RUN commands 
>>> and process items will be easy to fix.  How is File_Item with spaces? 
>>> What about the native PERL file I/O?
>>
>> This is great news, David.  I have been asking for a windows installer 
>> for a long time.  I'm on linux, but I want to be able to recommend 
>> misterhouse to people and not have them get overwelmed before it's even 
>> installed! How hard will it be for Bruce to integate this into his 
>> release scripts? Are you keeping private code and data separate, so they 
>> don't get clobbered by updates?  I don't have any answers about filenames 
>> with spaces, but if you make your installer available, I'll test it.
>>
>> David
>>
>>
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RE: [mh] Set $Save variable from web page

[Brent DeShazer <brent@de...>]

I guess if you don't need or want the functionality then can't you just not
use it yourself? Otherwise you're talking about creating your own personal
fork of the code or forcing everyone else to follow your coding and usage
styles/practices.

Of course I can work around this by creating a voice command or a generic
item or whatever and have it set the variable I need when I set that object
from a web interface. In fact this is what I did until Matt fixed the code
that was broken. Sure, that's good OOP getter/setter type functionality and
if you structure things that way, great. It just seemed like overkill to me
to reset my mail-arrived flag.

Thinking about it a bit more maybe I should re-do this flag as a generic
item. It might give me some added functionality that I can use...but even if
I do I don't think I'd want the SET functionality removed or broken. Someone
else might be using it, or might want to use it tomorrow or next week...
right or wrong, it's about choice and I don't think the MH project is
managed or engineered tightly enough for this to be that big of an issue.

Also, because you can log the http requests, isn't doing this via the web
interface probably one of the /best/ ways to set a global variable? My
server_http log from the past couple days:

Tue 04/25/06 17:26:29 192.168.1.139 /brent/SET;referer $Save{Mailbox}=0
Wed 04/26/06 17:58:14 192.168.1.140 /brent/SET;referer $Save{Mailbox}=0

I know exactly which machines reset my Mailbox variable and at what time...

Brent

-----Original Message-----
From: misterhouse-users-admin@...
[mailto:misterhouse-users-admin@...]On Behalf Of David
J Mark
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 8:11 PM
To: misterhouse-users@...
Subject: Re: [mh] Set $Save variable from web page


I checked into it and it isn't used much (if at all.)  It needs to be
re-broken before people start using it.  Then we would have a mess.  When
debugging, you would have to take into account every Web page on the server
as suspects in mysterious variable changes (like the $ResondTarget thing.)

Look at it like this.  In a bank, the tellers are your interface to your
money.  Slips are filled out in a standard way and the transaction is
logged.  This interface is obviously crucial to keeping everything straight
and accountable.  If this hole is not closed, it is like letting the
customers into the vault directly (and there are no cameras because
variables don't have logs.)  My version of mh will not do this.

Re: [mh] Insteon Switchlinc 3-way circuit

[Jack Edin <jack@lo...>]

David,

Simmer down... This is easy!

;-)

If you install an Insteon SwitchLinc or ICON in-wall dimmer switch at 
both ends of the 3-way, replacing whatever you had before...

There will be the normal ground and neutral wires in each box...

One of the boxes will have a wire that is the HOT, from the breaker 
panel. Usually Black...
One of the boxes will have the wire that goes to the lamp fixture... 
Usually Black too.

Then there will be a "runner" that goes between the two boxes, usually Red.

What needs to happen is this:

After you identify the wires, as described above...

Each Insteon switch CAN control a load, but in a 3-way only one DOES... 
So on the switch in the box that leads to the lamp (MAIN) will have it's 
Red load wire connected to the light's wire. The switch in the other box 
(SECONDARY) will have it's Red load wire capped-off, and it will remain 
unused.

The question IS does each switch's box have a live Black wire? One may 
not, and thus the reason for the "Runner"...

You might need to USE the "runner" wire to bring a HOT lead to the other 
switch. Insteon switches need Hot, Neutral, and Ground to function.

-------------

Once the switches are physically wired, and in place only ONE will 
operate the light at this moment.

Now you need to LINK the two switches to each other. Cross linking is 
what you'll be doing...

Very simple...

Press and hold the MAIN switch's ON... At least 10 seconds... The little 
LED will start flashing (and the lights'll flash)...

Now walk over to the SECONDARY switch and do the same... Don't let go 
till you see the light's flash once, no more than about 15 seconds 
oughta git 'er done...

You have now linked the two switches, but only in ONE direction. You now 
have to repeat the process.

Press and hold the SECONDARY switch's ON... At least 10 seconds... The 
little LED will start flashing but the light may not flash...

Now walk back to the MAIN switch and do the same... The load may not 
flash...

You need to make sure they go out of linking mode. Tap the switch to 
exit, if the little LED is still flashing...

Now both switches will operate the load.

And you could easily make the 3-way into an N-way, just program 
additional Secondary switches... Or the KeypadLink...

----------------

Any switch can be an Insteon controller...
 
The KeypadLink can control a load, but the other buttons are for 
controlling other devices... or macros (scenes.)

Note:

When you go to control the N-Way circuit virtually (from a computer), 
you need only control the MAIN switch...

Insteon works, and it is only getting better!

I hope this helps...

Sincerely,

Jack
:)

>This seems really stupid.  I asked SmartHome if these would do 3-way 
>circuits.  I didn't say "virtual 3-way circuits."  Doesn't work either and I 
>am sure they are wired correctly.  I give.  What is an "Insteon Controller." 
>A maxi-controller with an LED?  The documentation is ridiculous.  Were they 
>trying to save paper?  A definition of "Insteon Controller" (which is 
>referred to 20 times) would have been nice.  I am sure I don't need it and 
>just as sure that their marketing department wants me to buy it.  Does 
>anyone else out there have these newer SwitchLincs (and does the virtual 
>3-way trick work?)
>
>Funny how virtual n-way circuits have worked with KeyPadLinc's and X10 for 
>years, but somebody was not happy with that and had to layer a whole new 
>mess on top of it.  I think the PCS stuff does true 3-way circuits, but I 
>had moved away from them for reasons I can't remember.
>
>And the status responses are still bogus (and I have reported it at least 
>twice.)  I guess fixing problems with existing products does not generate 
>headlines, so they spend all of their time inventing new stuff (and new 
>problems.)  I hate Insteon already. 
>  
>

Re: [mh] Insteon Switchlinc 3-way circuit

[Neil Cherry <ncherry@co...>]

misterhouse@... wrote:
> 
> 
> Insteon sounds cool. It's supposed to be compatible with X10. And it 
> functions with confirmation and the ability to repeat / strengthen signal.
> 
> Anyone know if, in a 99% x10 setup, I can use an insteon as a 10 device?

I think so, I've used my Insteon devices as X10 devices (and
I seem to recall the Insteon part still working though someone
said it didn't).

> Even better, can I use one of them to bolster my x10 signal?

No, only boots the Insteon signals

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Linux Home Automation         Neil Cherry       ncherry@...
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Re: [mh] Set $Save variable from web page

[David J Mark <dmark@ci...>]

I checked into it and it isn't used much (if at all.)  It needs to be 
re-broken before people start using it.  Then we would have a mess.  When 
debugging, you would have to take into account every Web page on the server 
as suspects in mysterious variable changes (like the $ResondTarget thing.)

Look at it like this.  In a bank, the tellers are your interface to your 
money.  Slips are filled out in a standard way and the transaction is 
logged.  This interface is obviously crucial to keeping everything straight 
and accountable.  If this hole is not closed, it is like letting the 
customers into the vault directly (and there are no cameras because 
variables don't have logs.)  My version of mh will not do this.

"Brent DeShazer" <brent@...> wrote in message 
news:BBEMLOKMJPBMDHBLKCGBKEKDENAA.brent@...
> The SET/SET_VAR command is clearly spelled out in the MH documentation and
> was supposed to have already exposed variables to the web interface like
> this, and this has been there a loooong time. We just fixed a bug that was
> preventing it from working correctly on scalars.
>
> MH isn't a secure product and most of the code isn't written with security
> in mind. There is some simple password stuff and address checking that 
> could
> be used to keep your kids out of certain areas, but there are so many
> possible points for injection and overflow vulnerabilities that IMHO it
> should never be made publicly available on the Internet.
>
> You're better off spending time properly securing your wired and wireless
> networks. If a machine can view the MH web interface then you need to 
> assume
> that that machine can execute about any MH command you have set up.
>
> MH certainly isn't alone in this, most home automation software I've seen
> puts their focus on functionality and not security.
>
> Brent
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: misterhouse-users-admin@...
> [mailto:misterhouse-users-admin@...]On Behalf Of David
> Mark
> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:46 AM
> To: misterhouse-users@...
> Subject: Re: [mh] Set $Save variable from web page
>
>
> Sorry if this posts twice.  I am trying to post via NNTP, but I don't 
> think
> it
> is working.  No errors, but no posts.  I am posting this one via this 
> really
> awful GMane frameset because I don't think it should wait.
>
> Anyway, I strongly disagree with this change.  I think exposing global
> variables to the Web is a really bad idea (worse every minute I think 
> about
> it.)  Whatever the OP is trying to do can be done some other way.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [mh] Insteon Switchlinc 3-way circuit

[Jack Edin <jack@lo...>]

misterhouse@... wrote:

> Insteon sounds cool. It's supposed to be compatible with X10. 

You can program them to respond to an X10 signal.

> And it functions with confirmation and the ability to repeat / 
> strengthen signal.

Yes, in Insteon mode. NOT as an X10 device...

> Anyone know if, in a 99% x10 setup, I can use an insteon as a 10 device?

Yes.

> Even better, can I use one of them to bolster my x10 signal?

Nope...

> Thx

Sure!

> rick
>
> Rick Steeves
> rick@...                               http://www.sinister.net
> "Live like you're dying"

Re: [mh] DIY door opener

[David Norwood <dnorwood2@ya...>]

> Granger has some beautiful pneumatic cylinders also. You'll definitely
> pay more. But as Joel pointed out, The piece of mind and safety it
> provides is worth it.

Terry, if I go with a stock pneumatic cylinder or actuator, I will have to 
engineer some of manual override, right?  I mean, they normally can't be 
moved by hand, can they?

David

Re: [mh] Process_Item and email?

[David J Mark <dmark@ci...>]

I tried to email it to Bruce last night.  It bounced because of the 8MB 
attachment, so I am going to put it on a Web site in the next few days.  As 
for the private code, that should be a non-issue with the MSI.  If you add a 
code file or INI file, that one will not be touched by repairs, upgrades, 
etc.  Same for new folders.

Anyway, it will be in the next release (and available to test soon) and I 
can post the project files if there is any call.  It is really just a way to 
make the bloated MS installer app copy all of the files into the right 
places.  It creates a couple of shortcuts and that is about it.  The Windows 
icon is fixed too.

I almost forgot.  There is a new Windows app that launches the mh.bat file 
(after making sure it is in the right folder.)  Believe it or not, there was 
no way around it.  The stupid Visual Installer application does not expose 
the startup folder for the shortcuts it creates.  Really.  I never had to 
set this for my Windows apps as they don't care what folder they start in. 
The mh batch file definitely cares and so does the executable.  It has been 
about 20 years since I wrote my last batch file.  Isn't there some way to do 
change to directory that the batch is in?  Seems to me there is.

"David Norwood" <dnorwood2@...> wrote in message 
news:010601c6698f$b7278c60$1501a8c0@...
>> Heads up to anyone that is having path problems, specifically related to 
>> Windows and spaces in the path.  I just created an MSI to install mh on 
>> Windows boxes and it works in Program Files/mh without issues.  I imagine 
>> issues will come up as soon as I start adding common code modules.  They 
>> all need to be cleaned up to work with spaces in the path.  So which 
>> methods work and which don't?  I know the RUN commands and process items 
>> will be easy to fix.  How is File_Item with spaces?  What about the 
>> native PERL file I/O?
>
> This is great news, David.  I have been asking for a windows installer for 
> a long time.  I'm on linux, but I want to be able to recommend misterhouse 
> to people and not have them get overwelmed before it's even installed! 
> How hard will it be for Bruce to integate this into his release scripts? 
> Are you keeping private code and data separate, so they don't get 
> clobbered by updates?  I don't have any answers about filenames with 
> spaces, but if you make your installer available, I'll test it.
>
> David
>
>
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