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From: <petiard.francois@fr...>  20070505 14:39:53

Ulrike Fischer a =E9crit le 05/05/2007 16:16 : > am Samstag, 5. Mai 2007 um 16:09 schrieb Alain Delmotte: >=20 >> Hi! >=20 >> I did test with MikTeX 2.5 to dvi and viewing with Yap (2.5.2574): the= >> radicals are the same! >=20 > No in miktex 2.5 the radicals are different.=20 Yes, with superscripts. But it seems that the > example of Luis lost somehow the superscripts between the sin/cos and > the 2. The code discussed in comp.text.tex used >=20 > \[ > \sqrt{\frac{l}{1\sin^2\theta}}\neq > \sqrt{\frac{l}{1\cos^2\theta}} > \] >=20 With MiKTeX 2.5, that simple code gives a bad result : \documentclass{report} \begin{document} Bad: \[\sqrt{\sin^{2}\theta}\neq\sqrt{\cos^{2}\theta}\] \large \[\sqrt{\sin^{2}\theta}\neq\sqrt{\cos^{2}\theta}\] \end{document} F. P=E9tiard =20 petiard.francois@... 
From: Ulrike Fischer <list@ni...>  20070505 14:17:02

am Samstag, 5. Mai 2007 um 16:09 schrieb Alain Delmotte: > Hi! > I did test with MikTeX 2.5 to dvi and viewing with Yap (2.5.2574): the > radicals are the same! No in miktex 2.5 the radicals are different. But it seems that the example of Luis lost somehow the superscripts between the sin/cos and the 2. The code discussed in comp.text.tex used \[ \sqrt{\frac{l}{1\sin^2\theta}}\neq \sqrt{\frac{l}{1\cos^2\theta}} \] =20 Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Ulrike Fischer mailto:list@... 
From: Alain Delmotte <esperanto@sw...>  20070505 14:09:40

Hi! I did test with MikTeX 2.5 to dvi and viewing with Yap (2.5.2574): the=20 radicals are the same! (under Windows XP) So, even if for 10 years the result has been bad, TeXLive seems wrong,=20 not MikTeX. Alain Delmotte Luis Seidel G=F3mez de Quero a =E9crit : > Dear MikTeXers, > =20 > Consider the following file: > =20 > \documentclass{report} > \begin{document} > Bad: > \[ > \sqrt{\frac{l}{1\sin2\theta}}\neq > \sqrt{\frac{l}{1\cos2\theta}} > \] > \large > Fine: > \[ > \sqrt{\frac{l}{1\sin2\theta}}\neq > \sqrt{\frac{l}{1\cos2\theta}} > \] > \end{document}=20 > =20 > When processed by MikTeX 2.6 the output looks fine. But when processed= by TeXlive, the output looks strange: the first two radicals are differe= nt in size, when they shouldn't (content is the same except for sin inste= ad of cos). One should expect that the radicals come out at the same size= , otherwise the result is rather unpleasing aesthetically (note that the = problem only happens at 10pt, not at 12pt). > This problem has been discussed at the spanish TeX list, and has leake= d to comp.text.tex. There, someone suggested to compare logs from two dif= ferent implementations (putting \showoutput before \begin{document}). I'v= e done that. Running the file through MikTeX 2.6 and TeXlive 2005 (linux)= and parsing diff's between logs yields: (MikTeX 2.6 first) > =20 > 10c10 > < ..\vbox(550.0+0.0)x345.0, glue set 461.9502fil >  > > ..\vbox(550.0+0.0)x345.0, glue set 461.95018fil > 13c13 > < ...\hbox(6.94444+0.0)x345.0, glue set 310.27771fil >  > > ...\hbox(6.94444+0.0)x345.0, glue set 310.27773fil > 47c47 > < .........\OMS/cmsy/m/n/10 =20 >  > > .........\OMS/cmsy/m/n/10 ^^@ > 55c55 > < .........\OML/cmm/m/it/10 =12 >  > > .........\OML/cmm/m/it/10 ^^R > 83c83 > < .........\OMS/cmsy/m/n/10 =20 >  > > .........\OMS/cmsy/m/n/10 ^^@ > 91c91 > < .........\OML/cmm/m/it/10 =12 >  > > .........\OML/cmm/m/it/10 ^^R > 98c98 > < ...\hbox(8.2+0.0)x345.0, glue set 303.40167fil >  > > ...\hbox(8.2+0.0)x345.0, glue set 303.40166fil > 133c133 > < .........\OMS/cmsy/m/n/12 =20 >  > > .........\OMS/cmsy/m/n/12 ^^@ > 141c141 > < .........\OML/cmm/m/it/12 =12 >  > > .........\OML/cmm/m/it/12 ^^R > 169c169 > < .........\OMS/cmsy/m/n/12 =20 >  > > .........\OMS/cmsy/m/n/12 ^^@ > 177c177 > < .........\OML/cmm/m/it/12 =12 >  > > .........\OML/cmm/m/it/12 ^^R > =20 > =20 > It looks like there are some rounding problems in one of the implement= ations. Some people think that this a grave bug in MikTeX 2.6 since all T= eXlive since 10 years ago give the same result (the strange looking one) = and reportedly also MikTeX 2.5. > Could someone explain what is happening? > =20 > Best regards, > =20 > Luis Seidel > =09 >  > > LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. > Llamadas a fijos y m=F3viles desde 1 c=E9ntimo por minuto. > http://es.voice.yahoo.com > =  > This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express > Download DB2 Express C  the FREE version of DB2 express and take > control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. > http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ > _______________________________________________ > MiKTeXUsers mailing list > MiKTeXUsers@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/miktexusers > > > =20 
From: <lseidelg@ya...>  20070505 11:12:52

Dear MikTeXers, Consider the following file: \documentclass{report} \begin{document} Bad: \[ \sqrt{\frac{l}{1\sin2\theta}}\neq \sqrt{\frac{l}{1\cos2\theta}} \] \large Fine: \[ \sqrt{\frac{l}{1\sin2\theta}}\neq \sqrt{\frac{l}{1\cos2\theta}} \] \end{document} When processed by MikTeX 2.6 the output looks fine. But when processed by TeXlive, the output looks strange: the first two radicals are different in size, when they shouldn't (content is the same except for sin instead of cos). One should expect that the radicals come out at the same size, otherwise the result is rather unpleasing aesthetically (note that the problem only happens at 10pt, not at 12pt). This problem has been discussed at the spanish TeX list, and has leaked to comp.text.tex. There, someone suggested to compare logs from two different implementations (putting \showoutput before \begin{document}). I've done that. Running the file through MikTeX 2.6 and TeXlive 2005 (linux) and parsing diff's between logs yields: (MikTeX 2.6 first) 10c10 < ..\vbox(550.0+0.0)x345.0, glue set 461.9502fil  > ..\vbox(550.0+0.0)x345.0, glue set 461.95018fil 13c13 < ...\hbox(6.94444+0.0)x345.0, glue set 310.27771fil  > ...\hbox(6.94444+0.0)x345.0, glue set 310.27773fil 47c47 < .........\OMS/cmsy/m/n/10  > .........\OMS/cmsy/m/n/10 ^^@ 55c55 < .........\OML/cmm/m/it/10  > .........\OML/cmm/m/it/10 ^^R 83c83 < .........\OMS/cmsy/m/n/10  > .........\OMS/cmsy/m/n/10 ^^@ 91c91 < .........\OML/cmm/m/it/10  > .........\OML/cmm/m/it/10 ^^R 98c98 < ...\hbox(8.2+0.0)x345.0, glue set 303.40167fil  > ...\hbox(8.2+0.0)x345.0, glue set 303.40166fil 133c133 < .........\OMS/cmsy/m/n/12  > .........\OMS/cmsy/m/n/12 ^^@ 141c141 < .........\OML/cmm/m/it/12  > .........\OML/cmm/m/it/12 ^^R 169c169 < .........\OMS/cmsy/m/n/12  > .........\OMS/cmsy/m/n/12 ^^@ 177c177 < .........\OML/cmm/m/it/12  > .........\OML/cmm/m/it/12 ^^R It looks like there are some rounding problems in one of the implementations. Some people think that this a grave bug in MikTeX 2.6 since all TeXlive since 10 years ago give the same result (the strange looking one) and reportedly also MikTeX 2.5. Could someone explain what is happening? Best regards, Luis Seidel  LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto. http://es.voice.yahoo.com 