Re: [Mentalunix-developers] More requirements:

[Alan G. <ala...@st...>]

Clinton Ebadi wrote:

yer clueless...
I'm sorry to get personal but only on rare occasions do I see such an
amazingly spectacular display of unthinking blind ignorance! 

Unfortunately all linux developers are as stupid as you are. =(



> > P - No binary distributions! Argument: When I installed Mandrake 6.5
> > my Athalon had a BogoMips rating of 799. When I recompiled the kernel
> > it jumped to 1,500. =) Therefore all software should be compiled by
> > and for the host processor.
> >
> If you read the mpkg spec,

I have never heard of mpkg. I would have no inkling that such a thing
existed for me to look for. 'mpkg' is hakish anyway.


> The time involved would not be very nice, not to
> mention some things like ACE or CORBA that require HUGE amounts of
> ram to compile(500+ MB)

Dear God!  = 0

> distribution ISOs would be in binary form(i386, i486, i586, i686,

Well I guess we're stuck with a precompiled version for every chip ever
made... =( 
The project will need a massive compile farm but it will be the fastest
out-of-the-box distribution on the planet... 

> This is where the newbie manpages come in.

I have never heard of "newbie" manpages. I wouldn't know how to look for
them and only vague notions of how to access them, assuming man was
functioning properly on whatever system I had. Linux has nothing
remotely akin to anything as helpful as "this end up".

> It's all going to be linked up to linuxnewbie(I'll talk to sensei when 
> we get ready to start it) database.

That might be helpful...

> We might as well add a whole newbie system in with it..make a new 
> shell based on bash that has newbie command aliases?

That would be pretty perverse... Simply provide commands with english
names and simple intuitive interfaces. Send everything that is not easy
and *USABLE* to /device/null, where it belongs.

> Let me explain. You type memory. It loads mem. Well, if we just aliased 
> it, you would have a huge list of aliases,

Well on my system I have several aliases for mem, each with its own
switch settings... I only use the one called "memory" though... 
I just checked my "res" directory and I see that I havn't touched any of
aliases since AUGUST OF 1996!!!!

DOS has provided a system that is so stable that I have files that have
been preserved perfectly for half a decade. There are files on my system
with date stamps of 1986.

> and you would think memory was the actual command.

It would be.... And life would be *good*. I would actually use such an
operating system. =\

>  So, with a special 
> file..maybe .newbierc with the alias in it. Here could be a sample 
> session:
> 
> user@host:~$ memory
> user, the actual command is mem.
> type: nman mem for help
> user@host:~$ mem
> You have xxxx MB of free ram....

That is disgusting. 

> The user could learn easily that way, and the commands would be more
> intuitive.

Huh, I explained 'intuitive' in my last post, you didn't listen.

> And, the user doesn't become dependent on the shortcuts..after learning 
> the command, they are a competent gnu/linux user.

Thinking like that infurriates me to the point where I want to pick up a
brick and bash it into your skull. 

THE POINT IS NOT TO MAKE THE USER A COMPETENT 'GNU/LINUX USER', YOU
STUPID SACK OF SHIT, IT IS TO MAKE A GNU/LINUX THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE
'COMPETANCE'. A COLLEGE GRADUATE WITH A DEGREE IN LIBERAL ARTS FROM 1980
SHOULD KNOW EVERYTHING HE NEEDS TO USE A COMPUTER WITHOUT *ANY*
TRAINING. THE WORLD SHOULD NOT HAVE TO BEND TO THE WHIMS OF THE POMPUS
ASSHOLES THAT MADE UNIX!!! 

If you kick me from the list for that I will be content. Please notify
me if you do. -- thanx. 
 
> and stuff like that. The app is centralized(by package name). So, you
> can just cd into the apps dir, and then the appname, and see all of
> the file associated with it. Of course, the dir would be read-only,
> and could be reconstructed if root trashed it by running some rebuild
> command in mpkg.

=\
I don't get it...
I'm a DOS user. 
cd gamez 
cd quake
quake
or 
deltree quake.
or 
cd quake 
cd id 
e quake.ini 
or 
cd quake
md newlevel
cd newlevel 
pkunzip \archive\newqkake . /d 
or .... 

Do I have the only sane computer on the planet?

> No app planned, but it is an interesting idea. Maybe a program like
> newbie xinit? A newbie init front end in Gtk that had options like
> this(to change runlevels):

Anything that is easy to use... I don't understand this shit anyway so
I'm indifferent...

[switching to single user mode] 

Multiuser mode is totally pointless on workstations.
I would remove all traces of multiuser from the base system and then
re-implement it in user-space and then provide it as an option.

Unix is perverse so you'd have to re-implement almost everything... 

> I think it would make a good program. I could sketch it out in
> glade(just the GUI, not code) later.

GUI is like a US golden dollar. It costs a buck, Looks like its worth a
lot more but in truth its WORTHLESS!!! =\ 

The OS that is fundamentally easier to use is the real gold that I am
seeking...

[console managment] 
> Really hard to do that. Programs like Xemacs on the console change
> the cursor for internal management. Please explain further what you
> mean exactly.

If the OS doesn't do that then it is not even a complete OS, and not
worth much to anyone at all. =(


> On 27 Dec 2000, at 15:20, Alan Grimes wrote:
 
[multiple editors and other redundancy]
> ? I am confused. Users need choice. The base system will either have
> nano or mcedit, to avoid the emacs / vi war. Then, vi and emacs will
> both be optional packages.

Ofcourse you can install E-macs later but I will not help in that untill
it is rewritten... E-macs is probably one of the most advanced
applications around... Its a pitty that its so difficult to use.

> A distribution is more than just the OS.

Is != should be. 
should be, um, see DOS. ;)

> It is the suite of programs that make the OS(which is GNU + linux in 
> our case) useful.

Yes, But that is not what we are working on here.
We make the system through which the computer can be applied to useful
work. BUT NOT THE APPLICATIONS THEMSELVES... =\ 

> Programs like X will be optional. Like in most distributions. Of 
> course, our install won't be very newbie friendly until I can do some > decent X programming.

THAT IS TOTALLY BASS ACKWARDS!!!!
THE SYSTEM BECOMES USABLE *THEN* YOU CUSTOMIZE YOUR USER INTERFACE. 
DON'T ANY OF YOU DIPSHITS GET IT? STUPID GUI OPTIONS IN WINDOWS 98'S
REGEDIT DO NOT MAKE THE REGISTRY ONE WIT EASIER TO USE!!! DO YOU GET IT?
NOT ONE WIT!!!! 
X XWINDOWS, "ENLIGHTENMENT" "MOTIF" "OLWM" WHATEVER I DON'T CARE!!!
THEY ARE ALL PERFECTLY FUCKING WORTHLESS. I WOULDN'T PAY HALF A CENT FOR
THEM, NOT EVEN THAT... INFACT I WOULD PAY YOU TO REFORMAT AND INSTALL
BeOS, WHICH TAKES CARE OF ITSELF REASONABLY WELL. WHEN WILL YOU
FUCKFACES LEARN???? 

YOU HAVN'T LEARNED A SINGLE FUCKING THING IN THE LAST TWENTY-THREE YEARS
ABOUT WHAT AN OS IS, WHAT IT SHOULD BE, OR HOW TO MAKE IT EASIER TO
USE!!! 

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