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From: MinimumAttic410 <min...@di...> - 2024-08-19 12:32:57
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I am not so familiar with technical details much. I personally prefer GTK2 better. Just having issues with GNOME apps as a normal user. Maybe not related to LXDE directly but GNOME mandates adwaita theme on their GTK3 apps and causing weird look and issues on LXDE most of times. They keep updating to GTK3+ and breaking things. Thanks maintaining and keep LXDE alive! it is my fav. DE ever. On 8/19/24 12:51, Andriy Grytsenko wrote: > On Mon, Aug 19, 2024 at 05:01:18AM +0300, MinimumAttic410 via Lxde-list wrote: >> seems it will take time to get it in Debian stable :) >> >> i am wondering if there is any planned overall GTK-3 update for LXDE general? > Strictly speaking, all LXDE parts works just OK with GTK+3. Although > GTK+3 itself is buggy sometimes. And also keep in mind that GTK+3 is much > less resource efficient than GTK+2, it's why GTK+2 is still preferrable > on small systems such as Raspberry Pi. Actually, I was basically out of > development for last 2 years due to personal issues and I hope to get to > it soon, and I have plans to make both GTK+2 and GTK+3 based packages in > Debian co-exist so users may choose which one to use. > > With best regards, > Andriy. > > > _______________________________________________ > Lxde-list mailing list > Lxd...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lxde-list |
From: Andriy G. <an...@re...> - 2024-08-19 10:04:47
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On Mon, Aug 19, 2024 at 05:01:18AM +0300, MinimumAttic410 via Lxde-list wrote: >seems it will take time to get it in Debian stable :) > >i am wondering if there is any planned overall GTK-3 update for LXDE general? Strictly speaking, all LXDE parts works just OK with GTK+3. Although GTK+3 itself is buggy sometimes. And also keep in mind that GTK+3 is much less resource efficient than GTK+2, it's why GTK+2 is still preferrable on small systems such as Raspberry Pi. Actually, I was basically out of development for last 2 years due to personal issues and I hope to get to it soon, and I have plans to make both GTK+2 and GTK+3 based packages in Debian co-exist so users may choose which one to use. With best regards, Andriy. |
From: Ingo B. <ib...@od...> - 2024-08-19 08:28:20
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On Mon, 19 Aug 2024 05:01:18 +0300, MinimumAttic410 wrote: > i am wondering if there is any planned overall GTK-3 update for LXDE > general? Most, if not all, of them already work with GTK 3, which is what Debian currently compiles them for. A few apps, however, still have GTK 3 bugs that need to be fixed. IMO, there is no reason why they should not still run with GTK+ 2. Ingo |
From: D.T. <ohn...@po...> - 2024-08-19 07:09:31
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Just a general Thank You from me for maintaining LXDE apps! I don't use the full desktop but a significant part of of it. On Wed, 2024-08-14 at 11:14 +0200, Ingo Brückl wrote: > FYI, I've just released lxtask 0.1.11. > > Ingo > > > _______________________________________________ > Lxde-list mailing list > Lxd...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lxde-list |
From: MinimumAttic410 <min...@di...> - 2024-08-19 02:01:34
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seems it will take time to get it in Debian stable :) i am wondering if there is any planned overall GTK-3 update for LXDE general? On 8/14/24 12:14, Ingo Brückl wrote: > FYI, I've just released lxtask 0.1.11. > > Ingo > > > _______________________________________________ > Lxde-list mailing list > Lxd...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lxde-list |
From: Ingo B. <ib...@od...> - 2024-08-14 09:16:01
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FYI, I've just released lxtask 0.1.11. Ingo |
From: Ingo B. <ib...@od...> - 2024-07-29 17:15:31
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FYI, I've just released lxmenu-data 0.1.6 and lxlauncher 0.2.6. Debian maintainers, please note my related merge requests: https://salsa.debian.org/lxde-team/lxmenu-data/-/merge_requests/1 https://salsa.debian.org/lxde-team/lxlauncher/-/merge_requests/1 Ingo |
From: Ingo B. <ib...@od...> - 2024-07-15 18:12:11
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FYI, I've just released gpicview 0.2.6. Ingo |
From: Benegeek <ben...@pr...> - 2024-04-08 20:45:50
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Why don’t you add a GUI color panel that can be used to change intensity of red, green, blue (for all brightness, contrast and gamma), besides hue and saturation? It also would be great if you are allowed to create multiple color profiles. Check out the GUI color panel made by Intel for Windows, it's very good. |
From: Andriy G. <an...@re...> - 2023-12-16 22:13:16
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Hello! U.Mutlu has written on Friday, 8 December, at 16:37: >Hi, >I'm starting multiple instances of pcmanfm (ie. the file manager), >but in the process list ("ps aux" or "ps axjf" as root) >it shows just only 1 instance. >What's wrong here? Nothing is wrong actually. pcmanfm file manager is designed to run as a single instance application, it is done for memory optimization (since LXDE is a lightweight DE). So it is never a bug but a feature. Each user has only one process instance (but multiple windows, of course). You can try to open an ssh connection with X tunnel as another user for another instance (i.e. 'ssh -X user2@localhost pcmanfm' or whatever) which will be not owned by your user and will have separate home directory and also separate configuration. Make another instance for current user is not allowed. With best regards, Andriy. |
From: D.T. <ohn...@po...> - 2023-12-11 22:21:54
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On Mon, 2023-12-11 at 13:24 +0100, U.Mutlu wrote: > D.T. wrote on 12/11/23 09:45: > > > > FWIW, I installed xhost and disabled access control with it, and > > pcmanfm > > starts normally with the command from my previous mail. > > By this are you starting a 2nd instance, or just the very 1st > instance? Works both ways. |
From: U.Mutlu <um...@mu...> - 2023-12-11 12:05:15
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Using the following commands in a non-root shell one can attempt to start the program "pcmanfm" by a different system user (here "user2"): $ xhost + $ su user2 $ pcmanfm -n $ exit $ xhost - On my system (stock Debian v11) it no longer starts a new instance of the "pcmanfm" program. But this for sure was working in older versions. In thread "ps shows only 1 instance of pcmanfm", D.T. wrote on 12/11/23 09:45: > Long story short, you hacked your own solution to achieve something that is > provided by other software, and now it doesn't work anymore. > And you call it a bug that you "hope" somebody else will fix. Without even > providing a full explanation or the the code of your hacks (and no, I'm not > interested). > > And furthermore, you tell the people trying to help you that they "first > better do a web research for starting a program under a different user name in > Linux." > > FWIW, I installed xhost and disabled access control with it, and pcmanfm > starts normally with the command from my previous mail. > > > On Mon, 2023-12-11 at 01:30 +0100, U.Mutlu wrote: >> It's been a long time ago when I coded this for my private use, >> and its been much C++ code (b/c I needed also some other features >> like auto-mounting/unmounting an encrypted filesystem image etc etc). >> >> I just looked in the source code and one needs to do >> these steps as user to grant desktop access to an other user/users: >> >> xhost +SI:localuser:$UN >> ... >> xhost -SI:localuser:$UN >> >> See manpage of xhost for details. >> And "xhost" as user to show the granted users. >> >> But first better do a web research for starting a program under a different >> user name in Linux. Maybe nowadays such a solution already exists out there. >> Old Windows XP had "runas.exe", and that had inspired me to have same under >> Linux. >> There was none for Linux when I needed this feature many years ago, >> so I hacked a Q&D one for my own use. It's a messy code, not ready >> for any release nor support due to lack of time. >> >> And: I'm running X11, not wayland. >> >> >> D.T. wrote on 12/10/23 12:21: >>>> But, as said, pcmanfm does not work anymore when started under a different >>>> username but the desktop username. This is of course bad, even a bug, IMO. I >>>> hope it gets fixed. >>>> >>> Nothing against hoping per se, but right now it's a bug only according to you. >>> If you want to fix your problem you should start some serious troubleshooting. >>> Maybe you will then find out there's a solution. If not you can still use your >>> troubleshooting insights >>> to properly file a bug. >>> >>> If you walk us through the process of how you added the new user and how you >>> start pcmanfm >>> we can help with the troubleshooting. >>> >>> I just tried with some unused user I have: >>> >>>> sudo -u unused_user DISPLAY=:0 pcmanfm Authorization required, but no >>> authorization protocol specified Cannot open display: | >>> >>> Are you seeing the same? >>> >>> Also tell us if you're running X11 or wayland. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Lxde-list mailing list >>> Lxd...@li... <mailto:Lxd...@li...> >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lxde-list >>> >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Lxde-list mailing list > Lxd...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lxde-list > |
From: D.T. <ohn...@po...> - 2023-12-11 08:47:11
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Long story short, you hacked your own solution to achieve something that is provided by other software, and now it doesn't work anymore. And you call it a bug that you "hope" somebody else will fix. Without even providing a full explanation or the the code of your hacks (and no, I'm not interested). And furthermore, you tell the people trying to help you that they "first better do a web research for starting a program under a different user name in Linux." FWIW, I installed xhost and disabled access control with it, and pcmanfm starts normally with the command from my previous mail. On Mon, 2023-12-11 at 01:30 +0100, U.Mutlu wrote: > It's been a long time ago when I coded this for my private use, > and its been much C++ code (b/c I needed also some other features > like auto-mounting/unmounting an encrypted filesystem image etc etc). > > I just looked in the source code and one needs to do > these steps as user to grant desktop access to an other user/users: > > xhost +SI:localuser:$UN > ... > xhost -SI:localuser:$UN > > See manpage of xhost for details. > And "xhost" as user to show the granted users. > > But first better do a web research for starting a program under a > different > user name in Linux. Maybe nowadays such a solution already exists out > there. > Old Windows XP had "runas.exe", and that had inspired me to have same > under Linux. > There was none for Linux when I needed this feature many years ago, > so I hacked a Q&D one for my own use. It's a messy code, not ready > for any release nor support due to lack of time. > > And: I'm running X11, not wayland. > > > D.T. wrote on 12/10/23 12:21: > > > But, as said, pcmanfm does not work anymore when started under a > > > different > > > username but the desktop username. This is of course bad, even a > > > bug, IMO. I > > > hope it gets fixed. > > > > > Nothing against hoping per se, but right now it's a bug only > > according to you. > > If you want to fix your problem you should start some serious > > troubleshooting. > > Maybe you will then find out there's a solution. If not you can > > still use your > > troubleshooting insights > > to properly file a bug. > > > > If you walk us through the process of how you added the new user > > and how you > > start pcmanfm > > we can help with the troubleshooting. > > > > I just tried with some unused user I have: > > > > > sudo -u unused_user DISPLAY=:0 pcmanfm Authorization required, > > > but no > > authorization protocol specified Cannot open display: | > > > > Are you seeing the same? > > > > Also tell us if you're running X11 or wayland. > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Lxde-list mailing list > > Lxd...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lxde-list > > > |
From: U.Mutlu <um...@mu...> - 2023-12-11 00:31:11
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It's been a long time ago when I coded this for my private use, and its been much C++ code (b/c I needed also some other features like auto-mounting/unmounting an encrypted filesystem image etc etc). I just looked in the source code and one needs to do these steps as user to grant desktop access to an other user/users: xhost +SI:localuser:$UN ... xhost -SI:localuser:$UN See manpage of xhost for details. And "xhost" as user to show the granted users. But first better do a web research for starting a program under a different user name in Linux. Maybe nowadays such a solution already exists out there. Old Windows XP had "runas.exe", and that had inspired me to have same under Linux. There was none for Linux when I needed this feature many years ago, so I hacked a Q&D one for my own use. It's a messy code, not ready for any release nor support due to lack of time. And: I'm running X11, not wayland. D.T. wrote on 12/10/23 12:21: >> But, as said, pcmanfm does not work anymore when started under a different >> username but the desktop username. This is of course bad, even a bug, IMO. I >> hope it gets fixed. >> > Nothing against hoping per se, but right now it's a bug only according to you. > If you want to fix your problem you should start some serious troubleshooting. > Maybe you will then find out there's a solution. If not you can still use your > troubleshooting insights > to properly file a bug. > > If you walk us through the process of how you added the new user and how you > start pcmanfm > we can help with the troubleshooting. > > I just tried with some unused user I have: > > |sudo -u unused_user DISPLAY=:0 pcmanfm Authorization required, but no > authorization protocol specified Cannot open display: | > > Are you seeing the same? > > Also tell us if you're running X11 or wayland. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Lxde-list mailing list > Lxd...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lxde-list > |
From: D.T. <ohn...@po...> - 2023-12-10 11:22:31
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> But, as said, pcmanfm does not work anymore > when started under a different username but the desktop username. > This is of course bad, even a bug, IMO. > I hope it gets fixed. Nothing against hoping per se, but right now it's a bug only according to you. If you want to fix your problem you should start some serious troubleshooting. Maybe you will then find out there's a solution. If not you can still use your troubleshooting insights to properly file a bug. If you walk us through the process of how you added the new user and how you start pcmanfm we can help with the troubleshooting. I just tried with some unused user I have: ~~~ sudo -u unused_user DISPLAY=:0 pcmanfm Authorization required, but no authorization protocol specified Cannot open display: ~~~ Are you seeing the same? Also tell us if you're running X11 or wayland. |
From: U.Mutlu <um...@mu...> - 2023-12-10 00:18:06
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D.T. wrote on 12/09/23 14:14: > On Fri, 2023-12-08 at 22:33 +0100, U.Mutlu wrote: > >> In older versions it was possible to start another >> instance of pcmanfm under a different user name. >> With the current version it's no more possible >> (it simply does not start). This is not good, IMO. >> > Why is this a problem? > > Also, it has to do with how most distros and GNU/Linux components are tying > down permissions and security. Whether that makes sense or not is a different > discussion, just saying it most likely has nothing to do with pcmanfm itself. On my desktop, for security reasons, I'm running all key programs under a different username (all these a handful usernames are just my own usernames on the Linux system). Example: webbrowser runs under its own username. When I save a webpage then that username is the owner of the saved file and nobody else can access it. Now I need to access the file also from the file manager (pcmanfm). For this to work I need to start pcmanfm under the same username like the webbrowser. But, as said, pcmanfm does not work anymore when started under a different username but the desktop username. This is of course bad, even a bug, IMO. I hope it gets fixed. |
From: D.T. <ohn...@po...> - 2023-12-09 13:15:57
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On Fri, 2023-12-08 at 11:48 -0500, Andy Figueroa wrote: > if pcmanfm is also running the desktop > then multiple instances won't show multiple processes. This also happens without --desktop. A simple "pidof pcmanfm" shows only one PID. However, with htop's tree view I can see multiple child processes, one for each window: On Fri, 2023-12-08 at 22:33 +0100, U.Mutlu wrote: > In older versions it was possible to start another > instance of pcmanfm under a different user name. > With the current version it's no more possible > (it simply does not start). This is not good, IMO. Why is this a problem? Also, it has to do with how most distros and GNU/Linux components are tying down permissions and security. Whether that makes sense or not is a different discussion, just saying it most likely has nothing to do with pcmanfm itself. |
From: U.Mutlu <um...@mu...> - 2023-12-08 21:33:25
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In older versions it was possible to start another instance of pcmanfm under a different user name. With the current version it's no more possible (it simply does not start). This is not good, IMO. Or can someone confirm that it still is possible to start multiple instances of pcmanfm using different usernames? Ie. something like "runas prog pars". Thx Andy Figueroa wrote on 12/08/23 17:48: > Try "ps axu | grep -i pcman" though if pcmanfm is also running the desktop > (normally is) then multiple instances won't show multiple processes. The one > process is just supporting multiple windows. If you also run an instance as > root or with sudo you'll see additional instances. > > Andy Figueroa > > On 12/8/23 10:37, U.Mutlu wrote: >> Hi, >> I'm starting multiple instances of pcmanfm (ie. the file manager), >> but in the process list ("ps aux" or "ps axjf" as root) >> it shows just only 1 instance. >> What's wrong here? >> |
From: Andy F. <an...@an...> - 2023-12-08 17:01:31
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Try "ps axu | grep -i pcman" though if pcmanfm is also running the desktop (normally is) then multiple instances won't show multiple processes. The one process is just supporting multiple windows. If you also run an instance as root or with sudo you'll see additional instances. Andy Figueroa On 12/8/23 10:37, U.Mutlu wrote: > Hi, > I'm starting multiple instances of pcmanfm (ie. the file manager), > but in the process list ("ps aux" or "ps axjf" as root) > it shows just only 1 instance. > What's wrong here? > > > # cat /etc/os-release > PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)" > ... > > # uname -a > Linux xxxxxxxx 6.1.0-0.deb11.11-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian > 6.1.38-4~bpo11+1 (2023-08-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux > > # dpkg -l | grep -i "pcmanfm\|lxde" > ii libmenu-cache-bin 1.1.0-1.1 amd64 LXDE implementation of the > freedesktop Menu's cache (libexec) > ii libmenu-cache-dev:amd64 1.1.0-1.1 amd64 LXDE implementation of the > freedesktop Menu's cache (devel) > ii libmenu-cache3:amd64 1.1.0-1.1 amd64 LXDE implementation of the > freedesktop Menu's cache > ii lxappearance 0.6.3-1+b1 amd64 LXDE GTK+ theme switcher > ii lxappearance-obconf 0.2.3-1+b1 amd64 LXDE GTK+ theme switcher > (plugin) > ii lxde 11 all metapackage for LXDE > ii lxde-common 0.99.2-4 all LXDE common configuration > files > ii lxde-core 11 all metapackage for the LXDE core > ii lxde-icon-theme 0.5.1-2.1 all LXDE standard icon theme > ii lxinput 0.3.5-1+b1 amd64 LXDE keyboard and mouse > configuration > ii lxlauncher 0.2.5-1+b1 amd64 LXDE launcher for netbooks > ii lxlock 0.5.5-2 all simple locking utility for > LXDE > ii lxmenu-data 0.1.5-2.1 all LXDE freedesktop.org menu > specification > ii lxmusic 0.4.7-1+b1 amd64 LXDE music player > ii lxpanel 0.10.1-2 amd64 LXDE panel > ii lxpanel-data 0.10.1-2 all LXDE panel (data files) > ii lxpolkit 0.5.5-2 amd64 LXDE PolicyKit > authentication agent > ii lxrandr 0.3.2-1+b1 amd64 LXDE monitor configuration > tool > ii lxsession 0.5.5-2 amd64 LXDE default session manager > ii lxsession-edit 0.5.5-2 amd64 configure what application > start up automatically in LXDE > ii lxsession-logout 0.5.5-2 amd64 utility to logout from a > LXDE or an Openbox session > ii lxtask 0.1.10-1 amd64 LXDE task manager > ii lxterminal 0.4.0-1 amd64 LXDE terminal emulator > ii openbox-lxde-session 0.99.2-4 all LXDE session manager and > configuration files > ii pcmanfm 1.3.2-1 amd64 extremely fast and > lightweight file manager > > > > _______________________________________________ > Lxde-list mailing list > Lxd...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lxde-list > |
From: U.Mutlu <um...@mu...> - 2023-12-08 15:54:13
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Hi, I'm starting multiple instances of pcmanfm (ie. the file manager), but in the process list ("ps aux" or "ps axjf" as root) it shows just only 1 instance. What's wrong here? # cat /etc/os-release PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)" ... # uname -a Linux xxxxxxxx 6.1.0-0.deb11.11-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.38-4~bpo11+1 (2023-08-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux # dpkg -l | grep -i "pcmanfm\|lxde" ii libmenu-cache-bin 1.1.0-1.1 amd64 LXDE implementation of the freedesktop Menu's cache (libexec) ii libmenu-cache-dev:amd64 1.1.0-1.1 amd64 LXDE implementation of the freedesktop Menu's cache (devel) ii libmenu-cache3:amd64 1.1.0-1.1 amd64 LXDE implementation of the freedesktop Menu's cache ii lxappearance 0.6.3-1+b1 amd64 LXDE GTK+ theme switcher ii lxappearance-obconf 0.2.3-1+b1 amd64 LXDE GTK+ theme switcher (plugin) ii lxde 11 all metapackage for LXDE ii lxde-common 0.99.2-4 all LXDE common configuration files ii lxde-core 11 all metapackage for the LXDE core ii lxde-icon-theme 0.5.1-2.1 all LXDE standard icon theme ii lxinput 0.3.5-1+b1 amd64 LXDE keyboard and mouse configuration ii lxlauncher 0.2.5-1+b1 amd64 LXDE launcher for netbooks ii lxlock 0.5.5-2 all simple locking utility for LXDE ii lxmenu-data 0.1.5-2.1 all LXDE freedesktop.org menu specification ii lxmusic 0.4.7-1+b1 amd64 LXDE music player ii lxpanel 0.10.1-2 amd64 LXDE panel ii lxpanel-data 0.10.1-2 all LXDE panel (data files) ii lxpolkit 0.5.5-2 amd64 LXDE PolicyKit authentication agent ii lxrandr 0.3.2-1+b1 amd64 LXDE monitor configuration tool ii lxsession 0.5.5-2 amd64 LXDE default session manager ii lxsession-edit 0.5.5-2 amd64 configure what application start up automatically in LXDE ii lxsession-logout 0.5.5-2 amd64 utility to logout from a LXDE or an Openbox session ii lxtask 0.1.10-1 amd64 LXDE task manager ii lxterminal 0.4.0-1 amd64 LXDE terminal emulator ii openbox-lxde-session 0.99.2-4 all LXDE session manager and configuration files ii pcmanfm 1.3.2-1 amd64 extremely fast and lightweight file manager |
From: Luna J. <dro...@gm...> - 2023-11-23 05:33:00
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https://youtu.be/mbg-vCIaSz4?si=Tydhg4qiVhxZA-r_ Den ons 22 nov. 2023 07:57Luna Jernberg <dro...@gm...> skrev: > Ask Noah Show Podcast: https://podcast.asknoahshow.com/364 > also on Destination Linux later this week > |
From: Luna J. <dro...@gm...> - 2023-11-22 07:01:29
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also Linux Saloon Den ons 22 nov. 2023 kl 07:57 skrev Luna Jernberg <dro...@gm...>: > > Ask Noah Show Podcast: https://podcast.asknoahshow.com/364 > also on Destination Linux later this week |
From: Luna J. <dro...@gm...> - 2023-11-22 06:58:23
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Ask Noah Show Podcast: https://podcast.asknoahshow.com/364 also on Destination Linux later this week |
From: David <bou...@gm...> - 2023-09-26 13:40:54
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On Tue, 26 Sept 2023 at 09:22, bill-auger <bil...@pe...munity> wrote: > On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 10:29:42 +0200 Ingo wrote: > > The debian directories seem to be extremely outdated. > IMHO, that is no problem - simply delete them - note that ticket is from 2016 > - clearly, no one needs them > at that time, there were people on the team who were packaging for distros - > agaida was one - i do not know if that is the case anymore - debian shows only > "maintainer: Debian LXDE Maintainers"; but there is no easy way to know who is > actually on any debian team https://salsa.debian.org/groups/lxde-team/-/group_members |
From: bill-auger <bil...@pe...> - 2023-09-26 09:22:26
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On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 10:29:42 +0200 Ingo wrote: > The debian directories seem to be extremely outdated. IMHO, that is no problem - simply delete them - note that ticket is from 2016 - clearly, no one needs them at that time, there were people on the team who were packaging for distros - agaida was one - i do not know if that is the case anymore - debian shows only "maintainer: Debian LXDE Maintainers"; but there is no easy way to know who is actually on any debian team regardless, i agree with agaida - if distro packaging files are to be kept upstream at all, they should not be on the 'master' branch - when i do that, i keep them on a 'packaging' branch, which exists only for that purpose, building distro packages - that branch is not for distribution and it builds from a source-ball which is not generated from the 'packaging' branch i dont know why lstranger wrote "it's GIT only stuff" - that is only true if your release workflow or makefile excludes those files - nowadays, it is more likely that people will release with git-archive, or let a forge roll source-balls based on git tags - in those cases, the packaging files will end up in the source-balls - even debian would not want that - from a distribution viewpoint, it is only cruft |