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[Lxde-i18n] thought about translation system

[gymka <gy...@ar...>]

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As far as i see translation platform(http://pootle.lxde.bsnet.se) not
updates/merges translation files then .pot is updated(lxpanel .pot
file update more then month ago, but in pootle it's old version of
.pot; same with others). Maybe it's time to change translation
platform? i'm translator for a lot of projects and i see that other
platforms automatically checks git's and if .pot is changed platform
updates all .po files. In translation platform i want to see
up-to-date translations.
- -- 
gymka
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Re: [Lxde-i18n] thought about translation system

[Yaron S. <sh....@gm...>]

Today there are plenty of open source solutions including: Transifex,
TranslateWiki and several others.

Although updating the Pootle instance would be sufficient to the software
needs.

If you need any further explanation about the different web translation
toolkits I'd love to assist.

Kind regards,
Yaron Shahrabani

<Hebrew translator>




On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 10:04 AM, gymka <gy...@ar...> wrote:

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> As far as i see translation platform(http://pootle.lxde.bsnet.se) not
> updates/merges translation files then .pot is updated(lxpanel .pot
> file update more then month ago, but in pootle it's old version of
> .pot; same with others). Maybe it's time to change translation
> platform? i'm translator for a lot of projects and i see that other
> platforms automatically checks git's and if .pot is changed platform
> updates all .po files. In translation platform i want to see
> up-to-date translations.
> - --
> gymka
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Re: [Lxde-i18n] thought about translation system

[Martin B. / b. <br...@bs...>]

On Sun, 23 Sep 2012, Yaron Shahrabani wrote:

> If you need any further explanation about the different web translation
> toolkits I'd love to assist.

Please go on. People who knows nothing will not be able to know anything 
if we do not start somewhere.

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Re: [Lxde-i18n] thought about translation system

[Martin B. / b. <br...@bs...>]

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On Sun, 23 Sep 2012, gymka wrote:

> As far as i see translation platform(http://pootle.lxde.bsnet.se) not
> updates/merges translation files then .pot is updated(lxpanel .pot
> file update more then month ago, but in pootle it's old version of
> .pot; same with others). Maybe it's time to change translation
> platform? i'm translator for a lot of projects and i see that other
> platforms automatically checks git's and if .pot is changed platform
> updates all .po files. In translation platform i want to see
> up-to-date translations.

I've broken down this to two parts.

> 1. Updates of PO files and what not.

Sorry for not noticing this, thanks for pointing it out.
In general I read the git log and what files are touched but when my time 
for LXDE/other is low I tend to skip it. In general people point out when 
we need to sync files. I have thought about doing a more automated 
approach to this but never come around to it. It hasn't really been a 
problem. People touching PO files without coordinating has been a problem 
though =)

I'll probably just add a point to my schedule where I go over the 
components every two weeks or something and do clean ups of left over 
translations from the server and resync the POT with the source and sync 
the PO files with the POT. It's very easy (I did all components + Swedish 
translations updates for all components in just 1,5 hour today =)).

And I'll strive towards making the alerts more automated, I already do 
hourly housekeeping 24/7 to avoid as much trouble as possible.

> 2. What tool/workflow to use.

I don't have the time/interest to investigate other workflows at the 
moment. If someone is interested in driving this I can lend a hand to it, 
and being more than one in these things is a good thing.
Since we left Transifex I haven't looked back at them. Any tool we choose 
must have a way to integrate with the backend of git as we use IMHO. 
Having to do manual resyncs just to get the files into the tree is not an 
option, this was the problem with Tx back then. The version of Pootle we 
use lacks in the regard that it does not do autocommit in a way I am 
pleased with. On the other hand it is just two clicks away for the 
translator to push the changes.

As the ISP we are hosted with (student housing Internet operated by 
students) is closing by the last of October we need to move and I have 
pushed the move in front of me since April.
During the move I will try to upgrade to a better solution for Pootle, 
that would include using the latest version and hopefully converting all 
backend data to use MySQL instead of SQLite as is the thing today.
(New hosting is already solved, just me needing to get to the move and I 
have actually started that today \o/).

Suggest things. Think out loud, here or IRC or something.
I welcome all suggestions, that's how we started using Pootle back in 
January 2010 (or something... we used SVN at least. Those days =)).

- -- 
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Re: [Lxde-i18n] thought about translation system

[gymka <gy...@ar...>]

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2012.09.23 19:41, Martin Bagge / brother rašė:
> Suggest things. Think out loud, here or IRC or something. I welcome
> all suggestions, that's how we started using Pootle back in January
> 2010 (or something... we used SVN at least. Those days =)).

why transifex was bad? i translated bigger part of XFCE in dedicated
transifex server, i maintain 5 translations in transifex.net and don't
have any problems.
comparison to pootle:
	*easier user management. in pootle there are a lot of rights, in
transifex there are few user groups, you don't need to give each right
separately.
	*it has notifications. then translations is updated translator gets
email/rss notification.
	*you can submit translation with one click.

i don't promote transifex, but it's definitely better then pootle.
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gymka
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Re: [Lxde-i18n] thought about translation system

[Martin B. / b. <br...@bs...>]

On Mon, 24 Sep 2012, gymka wrote:

> 2012.09.23 19:41, Martin Bagge / brother rašė:
>> Suggest things. Think out loud, here or IRC or something. I welcome
>> all suggestions, that's how we started using Pootle back in January
>> 2010 (or something... we used SVN at least. Those days =)).
>
> why transifex was bad? i translated bigger part of XFCE in dedicated

We used Tx. The project is on the hosted service. we don't use it anymore.

Reason? They removed the talk back feature, instead of pushing all 
translations into the git tree we had to fetch them from Tx. Suboptimal at 
best. Before they removed that part it was serving us VERY well. No doubt 
about that.

(a minor point was that Tx only was update like twice a day or something 
wehre our Pootle setup is updated every hour. but we used the hosted Tx 
and that might be something that can be tweaked when hosting yourself. 
still only a minor thing.)

> 	*easier user management. in pootle there are a lot of rights, in
> transifex there are few user groups, you don't need to give each right
> separately.

Describe how this has been a problem for you in our setup, I am very 
curious as I think most people never look at the privs tab. Noone has told 
me about this before.
Yes user perspecitve, as I rarely give admin rights to anyone for 
anything, on purpose.

> 	*it has notifications. then translations is updated translator gets
> email/rss notification.

We do coordinated calls with deadlines via mail to the last translator, 
the translation team and this very mailing list.
Pootle do not do RSS or automatic pings indeed. Maybe in some later 
version, I have no idea about that.
And I can implement mail ping very easy, I already do it for myself =)

> 	*you can submit translation with one click.

I prefer batches instead of one commit per translated string. That is just 
taste. The difference between single click submit and what we have in 
pootle is that you have to do the commit at the end of the session. And 
mostly I just do a working directory clean up and commit it for you if you 
forget. So for people not doing the "commit-at-the-end" it is just the 
same. Click "submit" and be done with it.

> i don't promote transifex, but it's definitely better then pootle.

I do not think it is better, it has some features you find better but 
mostly they are on par. And from a project perspective Tx lacks the talk 
back and that is huge!


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Re: [Lxde-i18n] thought about translation system

[Klemen K. <kle...@gm...>]

Transifex has some issues regarding Slovenian, since they use different 
plural forms. Both the Ubuntu and Gnome translation teams contacted them 
to change them, but they insist using the incorrect plural forms.

- Klemen Košir

On 24.9.2012 6:52, gymka wrote:
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> 2012.09.23 19:41, Martin Bagge / brother raše.:
>> Suggest things. Think out loud, here or IRC or something. I welcome
>> all suggestions, that's how we started using Pootle back in January
>> 2010 (or something... we used SVN at least. Those days =)).
> why transifex was bad? i translated bigger part of XFCE in dedicated
> transifex server, i maintain 5 translations in transifex.net and don't
> have any problems.
> comparison to pootle:
> 	*easier user management. in pootle there are a lot of rights, in
> transifex there are few user groups, you don't need to give each right
> separately.
> 	*it has notifications. then translations is updated translator gets
> email/rss notification.
> 	*you can submit translation with one click.
>
> i don't promote transifex, but it's definitely better then pootle.
> - -- 
> gymka
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Re: [Lxde-i18n] thought about translation system

[gymka <gy...@ar...>]

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2012.09.24 11:01, Klemen Košir rašė:
> Transifex has some issues regarding Slovenian, since they use
> different plural forms. Both the Ubuntu and Gnome translation teams
> contacted them to change them, but they insist using the incorrect
> plural forms.
> 
plural form is saved in .po file:

"Plural-Forms: nplurals=3; plural=(n%10==1 && n%100!=11 ? 0 : n%10>=2
&& (n%100<10 || n%100>=20) ? 1 : 2)\n"

how it's related with host?
i'm translating offline, so atleast for me transifex never changed
that form.
ubuntu uses own translation platform(far from perfect): launchpad.net
gnome too uses own platform(imho it's perfect): l10n.gnome.org/languages/
why ubuntu or gnome should care about transifex?

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gymka
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Re: [Lxde-i18n] thought about translation system

[Klemen K. <kle...@gm...>]

So far, everytime I uploaded a .po file, plural forms get changed.

We use: "Plural-Forms: nplurals=4; plural=(n%100==1 ? 1 : n%100==2 ? 2 : 
n%100==3 || n%100==4 ? 3 : 0);\n"

On 24.9.2012 10:15, gymka wrote:
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> 2012.09.24 11:01, Klemen Košir rašė:
>> Transifex has some issues regarding Slovenian, since they use
>> different plural forms. Both the Ubuntu and Gnome translation teams
>> contacted them to change them, but they insist using the incorrect
>> plural forms.
>>
> plural form is saved in .po file:
>
> "Plural-Forms: nplurals=3; plural=(n%10==1 && n%100!=11 ? 0 : n%10>=2
> && (n%100<10 || n%100>=20) ? 1 : 2)\n"
>
> how it's related with host?
> i'm translating offline, so atleast for me transifex never changed
> that form.
> ubuntu uses own translation platform(far from perfect): launchpad.net
> gnome too uses own platform(imho it's perfect): l10n.gnome.org/languages/
> why ubuntu or gnome should care about transifex?
>
> - -- 
> gymka
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Re: [Lxde-i18n] thought about translation system

[gymka <gy...@ar...>]

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2012.09.24 11:17, Klemen Košir rašė:
> So far, everytime I uploaded a .po file, plural forms get changed.
> 
> We use: "Plural-Forms: nplurals=4; plural=(n%100==1 ? 1 : n%100==2
> ? 2 : n%100==3 || n%100==4 ? 3 : 0);\n"

tested, you are right. but i with Lithuanian plural forms don't have
any problems:)

- -- 
gymka
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Re: [Lxde-i18n] thought about translation system

[Klemen K. <kle...@gm...>]

Well, Transifex probably has the correct plural forms set for 
Lithuanian. They refuse to change ours. :(

On 24.9.2012 10:40, gymka wrote:
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> 2012.09.24 11:17, Klemen Košir rašė:
>> So far, everytime I uploaded a .po file, plural forms get changed.
>>
>> We use: "Plural-Forms: nplurals=4; plural=(n%100==1 ? 1 : n%100==2
>> ? 2 : n%100==3 || n%100==4 ? 3 : 0);\n"
> tested, you are right. but i with Lithuanian plural forms don't have
> any problems:)
>
> - -- 
> gymka
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Re: [Lxde-i18n] thought about translation system

[Yaron S. <sh....@gm...>]

@Kelemen:
This requires a bigger intervention and perhaps considering this change at
GNU gettext, any efforts on this route?

Changing the locale specifically requires maintaining a personal Transifex
(Which is possible although requires much work for a single project).

Have you tried changing the plural-forms string in a certain file and the
uploading it? It's a very old bug I've already discussed with them once...

Kind regards,
Yaron Shahrabani

<Hebrew translator>




On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Klemen Košir <kle...@gm...> wrote:

> Well, Transifex probably has the correct plural forms set for
> Lithuanian. They refuse to change ours. :(
>
> On 24.9.2012 10:40, gymka wrote:
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> > 2012.09.24 11:17, Klemen Košir rašė:
> >> So far, everytime I uploaded a .po file, plural forms get changed.
> >>
> >> We use: "Plural-Forms: nplurals=4; plural=(n%100==1 ? 1 : n%100==2
> >> ? 2 : n%100==3 || n%100==4 ? 3 : 0);\n"
> > tested, you are right. but i with Lithuanian plural forms don't have
> > any problems:)
> >
> > - --
> > gymka
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Re: [Lxde-i18n] thought about translation system

[Klemen K. <kle...@gm...>]

The thing is, that we use everywhere this plural forms, it's a standard 
at GNU gettext, Translation Project, everywhere. Those emails I 
mentioned were all sent by LUGOS (Linux User Group of Slovenia). 
Transifex is actually the only project that insists on using the 
incorrect plural forms. We've sent the emails multiple times over the 
past year or two.

Yes, we tried changing the plural forms string in the .po files, but the 
system automatically changes it back. Transifex admins are saying that 
"this is the correct plural forms string".

Regards,
Klemen Košir

On 25.9.2012 14:32, Yaron Shahrabani wrote:
> @Kelemen:
> This requires a bigger intervention and perhaps considering this 
> change at GNU gettext, any efforts on this route?
>
> Changing the locale specifically requires maintaining a personal 
> Transifex (Which is possible although requires much work for a single 
> project).
>
> Have you tried changing the plural-forms string in a certain file and 
> the uploading it? It's a very old bug I've already discussed with them 
> once...
>
> Kind regards,
> YaronShahrabani
>
>     <Hebrew translator>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Klemen Košir <kle...@gm... 
> <mailto:kle...@gm...>> wrote:
>
>     Well, Transifex probably has the correct plural forms set for
>     Lithuanian. They refuse to change ours. :(
>
>     On 24.9.2012 10:40, gymka wrote:
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>     > 2012.09.24 11:17, Klemen Košir rašė:
>     >> So far, everytime I uploaded a .po file, plural forms get changed.
>     >>
>     >> We use: "Plural-Forms: nplurals=4; plural=(n%100==1 ? 1 : n%100==2
>     >> ? 2 : n%100==3 || n%100==4 ? 3 : 0);\n"
>     > tested, you are right. but i with Lithuanian plural forms don't have
>     > any problems:)
>     >
>     > - --
>     > gymka
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Re: [Lxde-i18n] thought about translation system

[Yaron S. <sh....@gm...>]

Can you please check out this post?
I contacted Diego personally about this issue and this is what he sent me:
http://diegobz.net/2011/02/17/dear-slovenian-translator/

I think it can be solved with a script, if you really feel this is a wrong
behavior we should ask them to add an option to select the plural forms per
project, this way there will be no confusion whatsoever.

Kind regards,
Yaron Shahrabani

<Hebrew translator>




On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Klemen Košir <kle...@gm...> wrote:

>  The thing is, that we use everywhere this plural forms, it's a standard
> at GNU gettext, Translation Project, everywhere. Those emails I mentioned
> were all sent by LUGOS (Linux User Group of Slovenia). Transifex is
> actually the only project that insists on using the incorrect plural forms.
> We've sent the emails multiple times over the past year or two.
>
> Yes, we tried changing the plural forms string in the .po files, but the
> system automatically changes it back. Transifex admins are saying that
> "this is the correct plural forms string".
>
> Regards,
> Klemen Košir
>
>
> On 25.9.2012 14:32, Yaron Shahrabani wrote:
>
> @Kelemen:
> This requires a bigger intervention and perhaps considering this change at
> GNU gettext, any efforts on this route?
>
> Changing the locale specifically requires maintaining a personal Transifex
> (Which is possible although requires much work for a single project).
>
> Have you tried changing the plural-forms string in a certain file and the
> uploading it? It's a very old bug I've already discussed with them once...
>
> Kind regards,
> Yaron Shahrabani
>
> <Hebrew translator>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Klemen Košir <kle...@gm...>wrote:
>
>> Well, Transifex probably has the correct plural forms set for
>> Lithuanian. They refuse to change ours. :(
>>
>> On 24.9.2012 10:40, gymka wrote:
>> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> > Hash: SHA1
>> >
>> > 2012.09.24 11:17, Klemen Košir rašė:
>> >> So far, everytime I uploaded a .po file, plural forms get changed.
>> >>
>> >> We use: "Plural-Forms: nplurals=4; plural=(n%100==1 ? 1 : n%100==2
>> >> ? 2 : n%100==3 || n%100==4 ? 3 : 0);\n"
>> > tested, you are right. but i with Lithuanian plural forms don't have
>> > any problems:)
>> >
>> > - --
>> > gymka
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Re: [Lxde-i18n] thought about translation system

[gymka <gy...@ar...>]

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2012.09.26 02:00, Yaron Shahrabani rašė:
> Can you please check out this post? I contacted Diego personally
> about this issue and this is what he sent me: 
> http://diegobz.net/2011/02/17/dear-slovenian-translator/
> 
> I think it can be solved with a script, if you really feel this is
> a wrong behavior we should ask them to add an option to select the
> plural forms per project, this way there will be no confusion
> whatsoever.
> 
so all that discussion only about different order of plural forms? In
Lithuanian language there is same situation between all world and
mozilla. all world uses:
1: 1 baitas(1 byte)
few: 2 baitai(2 bytes)
other: 11 baitų (11 bytes)

mozilla extensions uses:
1: 1 baitas(1 byte)
other: 11 baitų (11 bytes)
few: 2 baitai(2 bytes)

i never saw any problems, everywhere i translate using "normal" plural
forms in mozilla site using their plural forms order...
- -- 
gymka
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Re: [Lxde-i18n] thought about translation system

[gymka <gy...@ar...>]

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2012.09.26 08:13, gymka rašė:
> 2012.09.26 02:00, Yaron Shahrabani rašė:
>> Can you please check out this post? I contacted Diego personally
>>  about this issue and this is what he sent me: 
>> http://diegobz.net/2011/02/17/dear-slovenian-translator/
> 
>> I think it can be solved with a script, if you really feel this 
>> is a wrong behavior we should ask them to add an option to
>> select the plural forms per project, this way there will be no 
>> confusion whatsoever.
> 
> so all that discussion only about different order of plural forms? 
> In Lithuanian language there is same situation between all world 
> and mozilla. all world uses: 1: 1 baitas(1 byte) few: 2 baitai(2 
> bytes) other: 11 baitų (11 bytes)
> 
> mozilla extensions uses: 1: 1 baitas(1 byte) other: 11 baitų (11 
> bytes) few: 2 baitai(2 bytes)
> 
> i never saw any problems, everywhere i translate using "normal" 
> plural forms in mozilla site using their plural forms order...
> 
looked deeper, there is difference even between KDE and gnome.
gnome(and all world) in Lithuanian language uses 3 plural forms, KDE
translators uses 4 plural forms. there too nobody sees any problems...
- -- 
gymka
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Re: [Lxde-i18n] thought about translation system

[Yaron S. <sh....@gm...>]

There's also a different in Arabic Mozilla translation (Although these are
not actually PO files).

This is not such a big difference, if you want a script I can help you
write one, I don't think this parameter should stop LDXE from moving to a
different translation system.

One other thing is, I told Diego (From Indifex) I think they should include
some way of letting translators choose the right plural-forms for their
translation, not sure it will be implemented soon but we can surely send a
ticket about it and promote it together.

Kind regards,
Yaron Shahrabani

<Hebrew translator>




On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 7:21 AM, gymka <gy...@ar...> wrote:

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> 2012.09.26 08:13, gymka rašė:
> > 2012.09.26 02:00, Yaron Shahrabani rašė:
> >> Can you please check out this post? I contacted Diego personally
> >>  about this issue and this is what he sent me:
> >> http://diegobz.net/2011/02/17/dear-slovenian-translator/
> >
> >> I think it can be solved with a script, if you really feel this
> >> is a wrong behavior we should ask them to add an option to
> >> select the plural forms per project, this way there will be no
> >> confusion whatsoever.
> >
> > so all that discussion only about different order of plural forms?
> > In Lithuanian language there is same situation between all world
> > and mozilla. all world uses: 1: 1 baitas(1 byte) few: 2 baitai(2
> > bytes) other: 11 baitų (11 bytes)
> >
> > mozilla extensions uses: 1: 1 baitas(1 byte) other: 11 baitų (11
> > bytes) few: 2 baitai(2 bytes)
> >
> > i never saw any problems, everywhere i translate using "normal"
> > plural forms in mozilla site using their plural forms order...
> >
> looked deeper, there is difference even between KDE and gnome.
> gnome(and all world) in Lithuanian language uses 3 plural forms, KDE
> translators uses 4 plural forms. there too nobody sees any problems...
> - --
> gymka
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Re: [Lxde-i18n] thought about translation system

[gymka <gy...@ar...>]

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2012.09.26 08:56, Yaron Shahrabani rašė:
> There's also a different in Arabic Mozilla translation (Although 
> these are not actually PO files).
> 
personally I convert mozilla format to .po(so that i could use my
translation memory and to see UI which i see each day), then
translating and then converting back:) so in my pc these files are .po
format:)

- -- 
gymka
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