Re: [LogiLogi-list] On a simplification of tags

[Bruno <bs...@gm...>]

Wybo,

On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 7:24 PM, Wybo Wiersma <wy...@lo...> wrote:
> Then, they can click a primary tag, giving them the url /Aristotle.
> They then will see a new, smaller cloud, below the url, on the right.
> In this cloud the context-tags are shown (History and Life in this
> example). Below the url on the left are snippets of all logis that
> have Aristotle as their primary tag, sorted by their rating (for the
> user's selected peergroup). Visitors can click on one immediately.
>

Great, great, great! We are now really diving into the web2.0 style,
and we will make it feel like we are diving into a knowledge tree...
great!

I already have sketchs I show you about this, and will try to get
better ones and publish them.

>
> To make this even stronger, also when adding links to a logi, by
> default the context tags of the logi being added are already filled in
> for the new link. So a link from Aristotle, History to Socrates, will,
> without user-interaction be to Socrates, History. This; be it that it
> is in reversed tag-order now, was something that really worked well in
> the old version of LogiLogi, but now, with easy navigation it will
> work even better!
>

I'm glad we are taking a step back! we'll have more impulse to jump
further!!! :)

> will also scale very well... (the only moderately slow thing will be
> the generation of the clouds).

about tag clouds, I wanted to introduce an idea that came up from a
current layout error we have on the layout, which I think it's
brilliant. Everybody talks about tag-clouds, but there is no much
graphical representation of a cloud arround, but, if we make the tags
overlap (like in the nav-tree on FF) the tag cloud will actually look
like a cloud, and I think it could look really good... This should be
tags with different tones of sky-blue and

>
> Fully implementing & testing this proposal in the back-end will take,
> I think between 1 and 2 weeks, so not too bad either.
>
> I will do some more pondering about it, but I was just wondering what
> you pplz (Bruno, Miguel & the others) think of it...
>
> Wybo
>
> PS: Yup it will be primary-tag first, instead of primary tag last, as
> was currently the case in the url & in the old version of LogiLogi. I
> was still thinking about it the other way when we chatted yesterday
> Bruno, but I guess some things you said, changed my mind...
>

Ok, I think if we get tags always ordered in same way it will do, but
also I think having content in first place is the way to go, so I
fully agree with your move.

I'd also would like to ask you the following. I'd like to make a
complete proposal of UI for us to get down to work on for the next big
changes. I still don't know in all what this "big changes" will be,
and we are still modeling the new elements that we'll have on the
interface. What I'm asking is, that we trace the needs in a schematic
way (maybe in the wiki) and then I will work on a whole proposal of
adapting the needs and express them in the best usable way (I can)
possible. With this I'm not saying that you or anybody can't make
their proposals, but instead I'm asking for the chance of building a
proposal that takes all parts in count for a final integrated result.
If we focus all on the UI design I think we are wasting power, but
then, it's good that all are multidisciplinary, like me learning Ruby,
but maybe this is not the time for this.

In this thinking path, I was making sketches (that I will commit)
about the navigation and I come up with the idea of getting the
tree-navigation to the navigation bar and mix them all up, and I think
this ends up being much more intuitive and self explaining than it was
before. I'm willing to do similar re-designs for other parts and so
improve usability.

We'll be in touch.

Greetings.

-- 
Bruno