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Re: [Logicmail-users] are imap sent messages stored on server?
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From: Derek K. <dko...@lo...> - 2011-10-07 12:11:09
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Its been said (on IRC, in the FreeNode/##imap channel) that "gmail is the IE6 of the IMAP world", and discoveries like yours seem to reinforce that sentiment. I think the bigger problem here is that most people expect Gmail to behave like any other mail server when using it via IMAP or POP, and get angry with the mail client when it doesn't. I actually wrote a whole blog post on the LogicMail website a few months ago ( http://www.logicmail.org/blog/gmail-web-imap-pop ), where I did a simple case example of one of Gmail's quirks. Of course you do eventually have to draw the line between cases where it makes sense to code around Gmail's uniqueness, and cases where just being a standard IMAP client (that works fine with everyone else) is good enough. Its not always obvious where that line gets drawn, either. For example, Google does implement some potentially useful features through Gmail's IMAP interface, and even occasionally submits them as RFCs to become standard parts of the protocol in the future. -Derek On 10/6/2011 11:31 PM, Justin Goldberg wrote: > I was wondering about this myself with google apps/gmail. Drafts that > begin on the phone are saved correctly on google's server, and can be > edited later via the web interface if I choose the drafts folder in > logicmails configuration. > > Another quirk is when I select Gmail\Sent as the sent folder on the > phone, then the message is sent twice. It seems that when a message is > copied to that folder, it is sent. But smtp works. There's a document > on google's site that lists the imap actions and what they actually. > For example, deleting a message just archives it, to the "all mail" > label. Google probably had to do this to make the "label" database > work, where an email can be in multiple labels. > > Another quirk is that when editing on the web in html mode rather than > plain text, the saved draft shows up as an html attachment on the > phone rather than editable text. But adding an html editor just for > one provider would bloat the program. > > On 10/6/11, log...@li... > <log...@li...> wrote: >> Send Logicmail-users mailing list submissions to >> log...@li... >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/logicmail-users >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> log...@li... >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> log...@li... >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Logicmail-users digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Invitation to connect on LinkedIn (Samir Mukhtarzadeh) >> 2. Are IMAP server sent message folders visible in LogicMail? >> (andy thomas) >> 3. Re: Are IMAP server sent message folders visible in >> LogicMail? (Derek Konigsberg) >> 4. Re: Are IMAP server sent message folders visible in >> LogicMail? (andy thomas) >> 5. Copy to address book (James Knott) >> 6. Copy to address book (James Knott) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 06:07:03 +0000 (UTC) >> From: Samir Mukhtarzadeh<fer...@gm...> >> Subject: [Logicmail-users] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn >> To:<log...@li...> >> Message-ID: >> <776...@el...d> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. >> >> - Samir >> >> Samir Mukhtarzadeh >> Cybercrime Investigator at Ministry of National Security >> Azerbaijan >> >> Confirm that you know Samir Mukhtarzadeh: >> https://www.linkedin.com/e/-ikh4z2-gsshepfo-6e/isd/4276451655/C80UkztT/?hs=false&tok=3qCWDbRD2fPkU1 >> >> -- >> You are receiving Invitation to Connect emails. 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All mail folders, >> including sent mail, are stored on the IMAP server. >> >> My questions are: >> >> 1. will Blackberry users using LogicMail be able to access >> their sent messages folder on the server? >> >> 2. if a message is sent from the phone, will it be stored in >> the server's sent message folder, or will it be stored >> in a local folder on the phone? >> >> 3. if it's stored in a local sent message folder on the >> Blackberry, can this be synchonised with the server's >> sent messages folder later? >> >> Any help will be gratefully received. >> >> Andy >> >> --------------------------------- >> Andy Thomas, >> Time Domain Systems >> >> Tel: +44 (0)7866 556626 >> Fax: +44 (0)20 8372 2582 >> http://www.time-domain.co.uk >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 20:03:44 -0400 >> From: Derek Konigsberg<dko...@lo...> >> Subject: Re: [Logicmail-users] Are IMAP server sent message folders >> visible in LogicMail? >> To: log...@li... >> Message-ID:<4E7...@lo...> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> 1. Yes, just like any other folder >> >> 2. That depends on how you configure LogicMail. By default, it will use >> a local folder on the phone. However, you can easily reconfigure the >> account settings to use any folder on the IMAP server that you want. >> >> 3. There's no built-in way to synchronize these, but you can do one of >> two things: >> - Copy individual messages from the local folders to IMAP folders >> - Plug the BlackBerry into a desktop via USB, and copy off the actual >> directories it uses for local folders (obviously not supported or >> tested, but the actual file/folder format is basically Maildir.) >> >> -Derek >> >> On 09/20/2011 02:34 PM, andy thomas wrote: >>> This may be a daft question but I'm considering recommending LogicMail as >>> an IMAP email client on a customer whose staff have several Blackberries; >>> the customer has an IMAP server (Dovecot + Qmail on a FreeBSD host) and >>> the staff all use MS Outlook on Windows for their email. All mail folders, >>> including sent mail, are stored on the IMAP server. >>> >>> My questions are: >>> >>> 1. will Blackberry users using LogicMail be able to access >>> their sent messages folder on the server? >>> >>> 2. if a message is sent from the phone, will it be stored in >>> the server's sent message folder, or will it be stored >>> in a local folder on the phone? >>> >>> 3. if it's stored in a local sent message folder on the >>> Blackberry, can this be synchonised with the server's >>> sent messages folder later? >>> >>> Any help will be gratefully received. >>> >>> Andy >>> >>> --------------------------------- >>> Andy Thomas, >>> Time Domain Systems >>> >>> Tel: +44 (0)7866 556626 >>> Fax: +44 (0)20 8372 2582 >>> http://www.time-domain.co.uk >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a >>> definitive record of customers, application performance, security >>> threats, fraudulent activity and more. Splunk takes this data and makes >>> sense of it. Business sense. IT sense. Common sense. >>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2dcopy1 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Logicmail-users mailing list >>> Log...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/logicmail-users >> -- >> ---------------------------- >> Derek Konigsberg >> dko...@lo... >> ---------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 04:56:42 +0100 (BST) >> From: andy thomas<an...@ti...> >> Subject: Re: [Logicmail-users] Are IMAP server sent message folders >> visible in LogicMail? >> To: log...@li... >> Message-ID:<Pin...@ma...> >> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >> >> Thanks very much for the prompt reply - we'll go ahead with a pilot trial >> in 2 week's time when all the BlackBerry users are back from vacation. >> >> Many thanks, >> >> Andy >> >> On Tue, 20 Sep 2011, Derek Konigsberg wrote: >> >>> 1. Yes, just like any other folder >>> >>> 2. That depends on how you configure LogicMail. By default, it will use >>> a local folder on the phone. However, you can easily reconfigure the >>> account settings to use any folder on the IMAP server that you want. >>> >>> 3. There's no built-in way to synchronize these, but you can do one of >>> two things: >>> - Copy individual messages from the local folders to IMAP folders >>> - Plug the BlackBerry into a desktop via USB, and copy off the actual >>> directories it uses for local folders (obviously not supported or >>> tested, but the actual file/folder format is basically Maildir.) >>> >>> -Derek >>> >>> On 09/20/2011 02:34 PM, andy thomas wrote: >>>> This may be a daft question but I'm considering recommending LogicMail as >>>> an IMAP email client on a customer whose staff have several Blackberries; >>>> the customer has an IMAP server (Dovecot + Qmail on a FreeBSD host) and >>>> the staff all use MS Outlook on Windows for their email. All mail >>>> folders, >>>> including sent mail, are stored on the IMAP server. >>>> >>>> My questions are: >>>> >>>> 1. will Blackberry users using LogicMail be able to access >>>> their sent messages folder on the server? >>>> >>>> 2. if a message is sent from the phone, will it be stored in >>>> the server's sent message folder, or will it be stored >>>> in a local folder on the phone? >>>> >>>> 3. if it's stored in a local sent message folder on the >>>> Blackberry, can this be synchonised with the server's >>>> sent messages folder later? >>>> >>>> Any help will be gratefully received. >>>> >>>> Andy >>>> >>>> --------------------------------- >>>> Andy Thomas, >>>> Time Domain Systems >>>> >>>> Tel: +44 (0)7866 556626 >>>> Fax: +44 (0)20 8372 2582 >>>> http://www.time-domain.co.uk >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a >>>> definitive record of customers, application performance, security >>>> threats, fraudulent activity and more. Splunk takes this data and makes >>>> sense of it. Business sense. IT sense. Common sense. >>>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2dcopy1 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Logicmail-users mailing list >>>> Log...@li... >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/logicmail-users >>> -- >>> ---------------------------- >>> Derek Konigsberg >>> dko...@lo... >>> ---------------------------- >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a >>> definitive record of customers, application performance, security >>> threats, fraudulent activity and more. Splunk takes this data and makes >>> sense of it. Business sense. IT sense. Common sense. >>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2dcopy1 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Logicmail-users mailing list >>> Log...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/logicmail-users >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 11:24:32 -0400 >> From: James Knott<jam...@ro...> >> Subject: [Logicmail-users] Copy to address book >> To: LogicMail<log...@li...> >> Message-ID:<4E8...@ro...> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> I have recently started using LogicMail with an IMAP server and while I >> realize it needs more work, it appears to be much better than the >> default BB email app. However, one thing appears to be missing. Is it >> possible to copy an address, from an email into Contacts? I know I can >> copy& paste, but it seems this is a basic function that's missing. >> >> tnx jk >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 17:11:14 -0400 >> From: James Knott<jam...@ro...> >> Subject: [Logicmail-users] Copy to address book >> To: LogicMail<log...@li...> >> Message-ID:<4E8...@ro...> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> I have recently started using LogicMail with an IMAP server and while I >> realize it needs more work, it appears to be much better than the >> default BB email app. However, one thing appears to be missing. Is it >> possible to copy an address, from an email into Contacts? I know I can >> copy& paste, but it seems this is a basic function that's missing. >> >> tnx jk >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a >> definitive record of customers, application performance, security >> threats, fraudulent activity and more. Splunk takes this data and makes >> sense of it. Business sense. IT sense. Common sense. >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2dcopy1 >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Logicmail-users mailing list >> Log...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/logicmail-users >> >> >> End of Logicmail-users Digest, Vol 20, Issue 1 >> ********************************************** >> > -- ---------------------------- Derek Konigsberg dko...@lo... ---------------------------- |
