Thread: [Logicmail-users] Logicmail 2.0 and mail retrieval

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Hi,

Is there a way to set Logicmail 2.0 to check email every 15 or 20 minutes
and run in the back ground or will this be added  in the future?

Thanks

John

I know this is the #1 user-requested feature of all time.  While
it may sound easy to implement, once you think through all the
nuances and corner cases, its actually difficult to design and a
nightmare to fully test.  That's why I ultimately decided to bump
it to v2.1, so I could at least get the v2.0 code into widespread
use and make everyone stop using v1.1.
I explained that near the bottom of my blog post annoucing the
release, but I can understand how almost everyound would gloss
over that paragraph :-)

This is my #1 feature for 2.1, and has higher priority than
almost everything else, so I'll start doing the design work for
it very soon.

If you have any ideas for the design, feel free to share them.
These are some issues to consider, and come up with answers for:
- How should configuration work?  What should be global, and what
should be per-account?
- Should this be just INBOX, all folders, specific folders,
configurable list of folders?
- How should the home screen notification icon's message-count
number be computed?
- etc, etc.

P.S. 2.0 does support IMAP IDLE, but that's only useful as long
as you have an active connection, and isn't really a very
reliable option (by itself) for this purpose.

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On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 10:29 -0500, "John Scarfone" <js...@eo...>
wrote:

Hi,

Is there a way to set Logicmail 2.0 to check email every 15 or 20
minutes and run in the back ground or will this be added  in the
future?

Thanks

John

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FWIW, here are my things for 2.x:

LogicMail can't open some messages. Just say's there are no parts to display
or it can't display the parts.

For the Storm, a delete icon would be really nice. There are several blank
icon spots in the folder view. Make one of them message delete.

Multiple message move/delete. IOW, the UI should support marking multiple
messages and deleting or moving them. If you can't do this, move should at
least default to the last selected folder.

Bucketing messages. Right now, you bucket by day. What I would like to see
is if the message is older than two days but this week, create a heading
called "this week". If it's prior to the start of this week, but less than
two weeks old, make heading called "last week". For all other messages, make
a folder named "Older".

Attachment handling. It would be nice if you could handle at least the same
mime types that the blackberry mail program can handle. E.G. PDFS, images,
and Office Docs.

For me, all of these are more important that message counts or background
message checking.

George Sexton

MH Software, Inc.

303 438-9585

www.mhsoftware.com

From: Derek Konigsberg [mailto:dko...@lo...] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 9:14 AM
To: LogicMail Users
Subject: Re: [Logicmail-users] Logicmail 2.0 and mail retrieval

I know this is the #1 user-requested feature of all time.  While it may
sound easy to implement, once you think through all the nuances and corner
cases, its actually difficult to design and a nightmare to fully test.
That's why I ultimately decided to bump it to v2.1, so I could at least get
the v2.0 code into widespread use and make everyone stop using v1.1.

I explained that near the bottom of my blog post annoucing the release, but
I can understand how almost everyound would gloss over that paragraph :-)

This is my #1 feature for 2.1, and has higher priority than almost
everything else, so I'll start doing the design work for it very soon.

If you have any ideas for the design, feel free to share them.  These are
some issues to consider, and come up with answers for:

- How should configuration work?  What should be global, and what should be
per-account?

- Should this be just INBOX, all folders, specific folders, configurable
list of folders?

- How should the home screen notification icon's message-count number be
computed?

- etc, etc.

P.S. 2.0 does support IMAP IDLE, but that's only useful as long as you have
an active connection, and isn't really a very reliable option (by itself)
for this purpose.

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dko...@lo...

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On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 10:29 -0500, "John Scarfone" <js...@eo...> wrote:

Hi,

Is there a way to set Logicmail 2.0 to check email every 15 or 20 minutes
and run in the back ground or will this be added  in the future?

Thanks

John

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On 01/04/2011 03:31 PM, George Sexton wrote:
> FWIW, here are my things for 2.x:
>
> LogicMail can’t open some messages. Just say’s there are no parts to
> display or it can’t display the parts.
This sounds like a possible bug.  Please send me a useful bug report so 
I can work the issue.  First, is this IMAP or POP?  Second, it would be 
helpful to send me the raw MIME source (that gunk you see when you do 
View->"Message Source" or similar in a desktop e-mail client) of some of 
these messages that fail to display.

> For the Storm, a delete icon would be really nice. There are several
> blank icon spots in the folder view. Make one of them message delete.
I totally agree, and plan to implement this for several screens directly 
into 2.0 during the beta period, since its really pretty simple to do:
http://www.logicprobe.org/proj/logicmail/ticket/254

> Multiple message move/delete. IOW, the UI should support marking
> multiple messages and deleting or moving them. If you can’t do this,
> move should at least default to the last selected folder.
For deleting, you can use a hot-key (on keyboard devices), or the 
shortcut I will be implementing for #254 above.

For copy/move, I'll add a simple "Remember last folder" usability 
enhancement into 2.0:
http://www.logicprobe.org/proj/logicmail/ticket/255

Multi-select support itself will be quite a bit more complicated.  The 
BlackBerry UI does not lend itself to the multi-select listbox approach 
used by desktop applications.  You'd need some sort of per-item checkbox 
(Fastmail does this for their webmail interface), but it would need to 
be invisible unless used.  Also, triggering that "check" function would 
be harder on a Storm than on a keyboard device.
Here's the feature-request ticket, for 2.1:
http://www.logicprobe.org/proj/logicmail/ticket/256

> Bucketing messages. Right now, you bucket by day. What I would like to
> see is if the message is older than two days but this week, create a
> heading called “this week”. If it’s prior to the start of this week, but
> less than two weeks old, make heading called “last week”. For all other
> messages, make a folder named “Older”.
The current grouping approach is directly based on how the BlackBerry 
messaging application does things.  I can make the grouping 
configurable, as you suggest, provided everyone can agree on what the 
options are.  The folders are directly based on how things look on the 
mail server itself.  This matter may need more discussion before it can 
become a simple feature request.

> Attachment handling. It would be nice if you could handle at least the
> same mime types that the blackberry mail program can handle. E.G. PDFS,
> images, and Office Docs.
Feature request ticket created:
http://www.logicprobe.org/proj/logicmail/ticket/257

> For me, all of these are more important that message counts or
> background message checking.
For me too, actually, but you'd be amazed at how many people disagree. 
I've been getting E-Mails asking how to configure background message 
checking since 1.0, maybe even earlier.  I just hope they don't revolt 
when it starts draining their battery. :-P

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Hey,

I agree new message waiting notification isnt high on my priority list either, a small utility app might be better for those wanting instant gratification!

On the really cheeky request side of things, I would love a version of logic mail for Android. I miss it when Im using my android!

Thanks for the hard work on logicmail, its a great app!

Cheers, Paul

"Derek Konigsberg" <dko...@lo...> wrote:

>On 01/04/2011 03:31 PM, George Sexton wrote:
>> FWIW, here are my things for 2.x:
>>
>> LogicMail can’t open some messages. Just say’s there are no parts to
>> display or it can’t display the parts.
>This sounds like a possible bug.  Please send me a useful bug report so
>
>I can work the issue.  First, is this IMAP or POP?  Second, it would be
>
>helpful to send me the raw MIME source (that gunk you see when you do 
>View->"Message Source" or similar in a desktop e-mail client) of some
>of 
>these messages that fail to display.
>
>> For the Storm, a delete icon would be really nice. There are several
>> blank icon spots in the folder view. Make one of them message delete.
>I totally agree, and plan to implement this for several screens
>directly 
>into 2.0 during the beta period, since its really pretty simple to do:
>http://www.logicprobe.org/proj/logicmail/ticket/254
>
>> Multiple message move/delete. IOW, the UI should support marking
>> multiple messages and deleting or moving them. If you can’t do this,
>> move should at least default to the last selected folder.
>For deleting, you can use a hot-key (on keyboard devices), or the 
>shortcut I will be implementing for #254 above.
>
>For copy/move, I'll add a simple "Remember last folder" usability 
>enhancement into 2.0:
>http://www.logicprobe.org/proj/logicmail/ticket/255
>
>Multi-select support itself will be quite a bit more complicated.  The 
>BlackBerry UI does not lend itself to the multi-select listbox approach
>
>used by desktop applications.  You'd need some sort of per-item
>checkbox 
>(Fastmail does this for their webmail interface), but it would need to 
>be invisible unless used.  Also, triggering that "check" function would
>
>be harder on a Storm than on a keyboard device.
>Here's the feature-request ticket, for 2.1:
>http://www.logicprobe.org/proj/logicmail/ticket/256
>
>> Bucketing messages. Right now, you bucket by day. What I would like
>to
>> see is if the message is older than two days but this week, create a
>> heading called “this week”. If it’s prior to the start of this week,
>but
>> less than two weeks old, make heading called “last week”. For all
>other
>> messages, make a folder named “Older”.
>The current grouping approach is directly based on how the BlackBerry 
>messaging application does things.  I can make the grouping 
>configurable, as you suggest, provided everyone can agree on what the 
>options are.  The folders are directly based on how things look on the 
>mail server itself.  This matter may need more discussion before it can
>
>become a simple feature request.
>
>> Attachment handling. It would be nice if you could handle at least
>the
>> same mime types that the blackberry mail program can handle. E.G.
>PDFS,
>> images, and Office Docs.
>Feature request ticket created:
>http://www.logicprobe.org/proj/logicmail/ticket/257
>
>> For me, all of these are more important that message counts or
>> background message checking.
>For me too, actually, but you'd be amazed at how many people disagree. 
>I've been getting E-Mails asking how to configure background message 
>checking since 1.0, maybe even earlier.  I just hope they don't revolt 
>when it starts draining their battery. :-P
>
>
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On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 15:15:13 +1300, Paul Thompson <pa...@ab...> was
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>I agree new message waiting notification isnt high on my priority list 
>either, a small utility app might be better for those wanting instant gratification!

It's not just about notifications, but also about having the message
downloaded and ready for you when you open the appropriate folder.

(And for the record I don't really care either way, IDLE support is good
enough for me and I primarily use LogicMail to access the same IMAP
account that I have added as a BES account just to access alternate
folders that I don't normally push through BES)