From: Florian J. <flo...@we...> - 2012-01-16 22:58:55
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Hi how can i get a really cool-sounding e-guitar-sound (or is it a bass?) like in the following song after second #20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GegD5GPr_bc ? are there any effect plugins or softsynthes (with many knobs to play around with ideally ;) ), or are there free (!) soundfonts i can use for this? i hope someone can help me there ;) greetings flo |
From: Tim E. R. <ter...@ro...> - 2012-01-17 02:16:13
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On January 16, 2012 11:58:48 PM Florian Jung wrote: > Hi > > how can i get a really cool-sounding e-guitar-sound (or is it a bass?) > like in the following song after second #20 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GegD5GPr_bc > > ? > > > are there any effect plugins or softsynthes (with many knobs to play > around with ideally ;) ), or are there free (!) soundfonts i can use for > this? > > i hope someone can help me there ;) > > greetings > flo > Hey Florian. Time for a quick response. Working very hard on midi fixes, going well, scope has widened to include Jack transport dummy sync fixes, and sustain problems etc. Hopefully commit soon. --- I listened to the song. I hear no electronic synth guitars. The guitar seems a real guitar tuned way down to 'C' tuning (very common these days). Or the same can be done with normal 'E'-tuned guitar and a good frequency-domain pitch shifter. Check out the excellent LADSPA 'pvoc'. One can get good results that way - they may even be using it. Appears to have keyboard synth for orchestral sounds, though. Perhaps some synths can mimic those guitar sounds these days. But really, better off picking up a guitar and learning to do it, it's simple strumming and even simpler two-fingered 'lead' playing. If a synth could do it, you'd need to have a few different parts: The 'chunka-chunka' sound (partial palm muted strumming), and the non-muted full strumming rhythm part, and perhaps another for the 'lead' part. If a song has any appreciable 'lead' guitar, then a synth falls down flat on its face. No synth will /ever/ replace the sound of a lead guitar. So much effort, might as well just use a real guitar. So like singer John Mellencamp said: "... forget all about that macho shit and learn how to play guitar... play guitar..." Heck, you need a guitar track? Talk to me or Robert. Ha! Cheers. Tim. |
From: Florian J. <flo...@we...> - 2012-01-17 10:22:32
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Am 17.01.2012 03:15, schrieb Tim E. Real: > On January 16, 2012 11:58:48 PM Florian Jung wrote: > >> Hi >> >> how can i get a really cool-sounding e-guitar-sound (or is it a bass?) >> like in the following song after second #20 >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GegD5GPr_bc >> >> ? >> >> >> are there any effect plugins or softsynthes (with many knobs to play >> around with ideally ;) ), or are there free (!) soundfonts i can use for >> this? >> >> i hope someone can help me there ;) >> >> greetings >> flo >> >> > > Hey Florian. Time for a quick response. > Working very hard on midi fixes, going well, scope has widened > to include Jack transport dummy sync fixes, and sustain problems etc. > Hopefully commit soon. > cool :) btw, i've annotated a rough quarter of muse now with deletion markers. i'm afraid they're pretty many, but muses code WAS littered massively (90 for now). i think, with at least 3/4 of the annotations you'll just have a very quick glance and leave the marker there, stuff like: // doSomething(somePart, true); // doSomething(somePart, true, false); // do NOT do something else doSomething(somePart, true, true); // well, actually this IS needed > --- > > I listened to the song. I hear no electronic synth guitars. > The guitar seems a real guitar tuned way down to 'C' tuning > (very common these days). > Or the same can be done with normal 'E'-tuned guitar and a good > frequency-domain pitch shifter. Check out the excellent LADSPA 'pvoc'. > One can get good results that way - they may even be using it. > > Appears to have keyboard synth for orchestral sounds, though. > > Perhaps some synths can mimic those guitar sounds these days. > But really, better off picking up a guitar and learning to do it, > it's simple strumming and even simpler two-fingered 'lead' playing. > hm... i once played with the thought to learn playing guitar. but not very long ;) i had absolutely not enough time then... it may be a tiny bit better now, but not much... what do you think, how much time and how much money do i have to invest into this..? i'm a pretty good pianist (a bit out of exercise, though), but have never touched a guitar ever ;) > If a synth could do it, you'd need to have a few different parts: > The 'chunka-chunka' sound (partial palm muted strumming), and > the non-muted full strumming rhythm part, and perhaps another > for the 'lead' part. > this would be enough for now. i just want to play around with that a bit, and if i have a half-done song which lacks a _good_ guitar, then i can ask some "real" guitarist. so can you recommend me any way to create such stuff with a synth? > If a song has any appreciable 'lead' guitar, then a synth falls down flat > on its face. No synth will /ever/ replace the sound of a lead guitar. > So much effort, might as well just use a real guitar. > hm, probably true... but i assume learning playing the guitar from scratch will not be much easier there, right ;)? > So like singer John Mellencamp said: > "... forget all about that macho shit and learn how to > play guitar... play guitar..." > > Heck, you need a guitar track? Talk to me or Robert. Ha! > maybe some time ;) > Cheers. Tim. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! > The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers > is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, > Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d > _______________________________________________ > Lmuse-user mailing list > Lmu...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmuse-user > > |
From: Tim E. R. <ter...@ro...> - 2012-01-18 01:13:47
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On January 17, 2012 11:22:25 AM Florian Jung wrote: > Am 17.01.2012 03:15, schrieb Tim E. Real: > > On January 16, 2012 11:58:48 PM Florian Jung wrote: > >> Hi > >> > >> how can i get a really cool-sounding e-guitar-sound (or is it a bass?) > >> like in the following song after second #20 > >> > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GegD5GPr_bc > >> > >> ? > >> > >> > >> are there any effect plugins or softsynthes (with many knobs to play > >> around with ideally ;) ), or are there free (!) soundfonts i can use > >> for > >> this? > >> > >> i hope someone can help me there ;) > >> > >> greetings > >> flo > > > > Hey Florian. Time for a quick response. > > Working very hard on midi fixes, going well, scope has widened > > > > to include Jack transport dummy sync fixes, and sustain problems > > etc. > > > > Hopefully commit soon. > > cool :) > btw, i've annotated a rough quarter of muse now with deletion markers. > i'm afraid they're pretty many, but muses code WAS littered massively > (90 for now). i think, with at least 3/4 of the annotations you'll just > have a very quick glance and leave the marker there, stuff like: > > // doSomething(somePart, true); > // doSomething(somePart, true, false); // do NOT do something else > doSomething(somePart, true, true); // well, actually this IS needed Yeah with me it's kinda being very cautious not wanting to burn any bridges immediately sometimes because I'm never 100% sure if the overall group of changes, including the one line, are going to work until it's completed, and even then it sometimes becomes an ongoing experiment due to some unanswered open question late in the fixes. Sloppy in places, but a necessary evil for me sometimes, to track my changes. Slowly I do try to clean up as I revisit code later. > > > --- > > > > I listened to the song. I hear no electronic synth guitars. > > The guitar seems a real guitar tuned way down to 'C' tuning > > > > (very common these days). > > > > Or the same can be done with normal 'E'-tuned guitar and a good > > > > frequency-domain pitch shifter. Check out the excellent LADSPA > > 'pvoc'. > > > > One can get good results that way - they may even be using it. > > > > Appears to have keyboard synth for orchestral sounds, though. > > > > Perhaps some synths can mimic those guitar sounds these days. > > But really, better off picking up a guitar and learning to do it, > > > > it's simple strumming and even simpler two-fingered 'lead' playing. > > hm... i once played with the thought to learn playing guitar. but not > very long ;) i had absolutely not enough time then... it may be a tiny > bit better now, but not much... > what do you think, how much time and how much money do i have to invest > into this..? i'm a pretty good pianist (a bit out of exercise, though), > but have never touched a guitar ever ;) You won't regret it. Guitar is soooo fun. Sure, I know, it's like someone telling me "hey, it's easy to play violin" or "hey, it's easy to climb that mountain". It is recommended to start on acoustic guitar, in order to build up your finger strength (and quickly get past the 'blister' stage). Before even picking one up, I recommend reading a few books on simple chord forms. And familiarize yourself with the sound of an open strum - we've all heard it, try to remember it, that E-A-D-G-B-E sound of an open strum of all six strings. Then you can visualize in your head the sound of other notes played with fingers, in your spare time, anytime, and you'll be prepared before you even pick up a guitar. If you get an acoustic guitar with a pickup, you can even use it to play distorted guitar through a pedal, you won't have to buy an electric, until later. > > > If a synth could do it, you'd need to have a few different parts: > > The 'chunka-chunka' sound (partial palm muted strumming), and > > > > the non-muted full strumming rhythm part, and perhaps another > > for the 'lead' part. > > this would be enough for now. i just want to play around with that a > bit, and if i have a half-done song which lacks a _good_ guitar, then i > can ask some "real" guitarist. > > so can you recommend me any way to create such stuff with a synth? Soundfonts would be an easy way to do it in MusE. Gosh, there's a lot of them out there. At first try the free massive Fluid-R3 soundfont, on most systems these days. There's several guitar/bass patches in there. (In fact GM defines them.) If you've ever owned a Soundblaster card, you got complete GM soundfonts. After that there's many soundfont websites. > > > If a song has any appreciable 'lead' guitar, then a synth falls down > > flat > > > > on its face. No synth will /ever/ replace the sound of a lead > > guitar. > > > > So much effort, might as well just use a real guitar. > > hm, probably true... but i assume learning playing the guitar from > scratch will not be much easier there, right ;)? Yep it's a journey, but a very satisfying one if you love guitars. > > > So like singer John Mellencamp said: > > "... forget all about that macho shit and learn how to > > > > play guitar... play guitar..." > > > > Heck, you need a guitar track? Talk to me or Robert. Ha! > > maybe some time ;) Hey maybe I should sell my own library ! "Yes, you too can sound like a pro for less than the price of a new car." Tim. > > > Cheers. Tim. > > |
From: Robert J. <spa...@gm...> - 2012-01-17 10:30:44
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Hi guys, 2012/1/17 Tim E. Real <ter...@ro...>: > On January 16, 2012 11:58:48 PM Florian Jung wrote: >> Hi >> >> how can i get a really cool-sounding e-guitar-sound (or is it a bass?) >> like in the following song after second #20 >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GegD5GPr_bc >> >> ? >> >> >> are there any effect plugins or softsynthes (with many knobs to play >> around with ideally ;) ), or are there free (!) soundfonts i can use for >> this? >> >> i hope someone can help me there ;) It's been a while since I looked at guitar soundfonts, I'm sure there are heavily distorted soundfonts but I can't name any. >> >> greetings >> flo >> > > > Hey Florian. Time for a quick response. > Working very hard on midi fixes, going well, scope has widened > to include Jack transport dummy sync fixes, and sustain problems etc. > Hopefully commit soon. > > --- > > I listened to the song. I hear no electronic synth guitars. > The guitar seems a real guitar tuned way down to 'C' tuning > (very common these days). Agreed, popular guitar sound these days. Detuned guitar, a lot of distortion. > Or the same can be done with normal 'E'-tuned guitar and a good > frequency-domain pitch shifter. Check out the excellent LADSPA 'pvoc'. > One can get good results that way - they may even be using it. > > Appears to have keyboard synth for orchestral sounds, though. > > Perhaps some synths can mimic those guitar sounds these days. > But really, better off picking up a guitar and learning to do it, > it's simple strumming and even simpler two-fingered 'lead' playing. > > If a synth could do it, you'd need to have a few different parts: > The 'chunka-chunka' sound (partial palm muted strumming), and > the non-muted full strumming rhythm part, and perhaps another > for the 'lead' part. Indeed, mimicking a real guitar is advanced usage. But just playing long-power-chords(tm) can give a quite convincing and cool effect. Incidentally I tried arranging brass this weekend using a Gig library, I did get some minimalistic bleeps and toots that sounded almost convincing but going from there to a bigger arrangement seems impossible with all the different ways to treat the instruments... > > If a song has any appreciable 'lead' guitar, then a synth falls down flat > on its face. No synth will /ever/ replace the sound of a lead guitar. > So much effort, might as well just use a real guitar. > > So like singer John Mellencamp said: > "... forget all about that macho shit and learn how to > play guitar... play guitar..." Hehe, yea ;) > > Heck, you need a guitar track? Talk to me or Robert. Ha! thumbs up! /Robert > Cheers. Tim. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! > The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers > is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, > Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d > _______________________________________________ > Lmuse-user mailing list > Lmu...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmuse-user |
From: Geoff B. <ge...@la...> - 2012-01-17 22:42:25
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On 01/17/2012 01:15 PM, Tim E. Real wrote: > Working very hard on midi fixes, going well, scope has widened > to include Jack transport dummy sync fixes, and sustain problems etc. > Hopefully commit soon. sounding very good to me :) g |
From: Tim E. R. <ter...@ro...> - 2012-01-18 01:43:24
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On January 18, 2012 8:41:48 AM Geoff Beasley wrote: > On 01/17/2012 01:15 PM, Tim E. Real wrote: > > Working very hard on midi fixes, going well, scope has widened > > > > to include Jack transport dummy sync fixes, and sustain problems > > etc. > > > > Hopefully commit soon. > > sounding very good to me :) Yes, I should have mentioned that the feature which you use, the "don't use Jack transport", was the sole reason for these crashes and lockups. (Seemingly an innocent button, it radically alters operations.) I was operating the dummy sync in whatever thread called it. Bad. So I rewrote the whole thing to accurately mimic Jack's transport, which only calls the sync functions in the audio thread. Much better now. So now methods like our Audio::seek() are guaranteed to operate only in the audio thread, and be synchronized to it. So no more crashes/lockups in our seek functions. And the sustain: Yep, fixed problems there. One was my bad. And the rest I re-did, adopting a policy of turning off sustain even while seeking, but re-enabling as soon as seeking done. It seems to work well now, seeking, playing and stopping. And some other stuff too detailed to describe now. I must now apply some/all of this to the ALSA driver before I commit. Good day, eh. Tim. > > g > |
From: Geoff B. <ge...@la...> - 2012-01-18 01:55:45
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On 01/18/2012 12:42 PM, Tim E. Real wrote: > Good day, eh. Tim. that sounds like a hallelujah day to me !! still looking forward :) g |