From: Florian J. <fl...@wi...> - 2013-11-03 23:53:02
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dear MusE-User-Community! This is going to be a long mail about certain decisions which should be done by the community. I ask each of you to fully read and reply to this mail. Please do, because it's important that YOUR opinion gets represented! In the past, not many visible things were done to MusE, unfortunately. However behind the scenes, Joachim and me did some work to fully migrate the whole MusE Website, Mailinglists and Forum to a new webserver. Around 6 weeks before, I announced that I want to completely move away from the SourceForge.net platform, and I think that we are ready for the last step now: Moving the Mailing list and the Forum. These two are the only services that still are on SF. Hosting this stuff on our own gives us extended abilities, which I'd like to actually use; however, before changing such things, I'd like to hear your opinion on it first. I will now speak about several topics: 1. Forum vs. Mailing list 2. Fighting spam and moderation 3. Handling the ML archive 4. Can you/Do you want to help developing MusE? 1. Forum vs Mailing list ========================= I have never liked the idea of a separated forum and mailing list, because it creates two split sub-communities with few or no intersection. Therefore, I either want to abandon one of these, or "join" the forum and the Mailing List using a bi-directional bridge: Everything posted to lmuse-user shows up in the forum, and every forum posting is sent to the lmuse-user ML. Multiple mailing lists could be used for mapping multiple subforums. My idea was the following: - - Import the old forum - - Bridge the "Getting Help" subforum to lmuse-user - - Do not bridge the "Random discussion" subforum, OR bridge it to a different ML. - - Add a new subforum: Musical project announcements. This subforum is the place for posting your half- or fully finished compositions, if you want to share them. I hope that this will with your help quickly become a decent showcase for the full power of MusE :) (not bridged, or bridged to another ML, at your option) - - Add a new subforum: Developer's corner. This is just the lmuse-developer mailing list, for added transparency What's your opinion? a) Drop the ML, have only a forum b) Drop the forum, have only a ML (i dislike this idea, because forums are much more attractive for newbies) c) Join them like described above. 2. Fighting spam and Moderation =============================== We want to get rid of all the spam on the Mailing list (and also, keeping a forum spam-free is non-trivial) by using a SpamAssassin filter. The eternal problem with spam filtering is: no filter has a 100% hit rate, SpamAssassin sometimes feels unsure about a mail. Such mail is put into the mailing list moderation queue. Also, mail from all newly registered users is "quarantined" in the moderation queue, until a moderator decides that the user is a real human and not a spambot. But then, it must be ensured that some moderator checks the moderation queue at least once a day! I'd like to ask all the active members of lmuse-user or the forum: Would you like to help by being a moderator? Can you regularly check the moderation queue and sort away some spam? 3. Handling the ML Archive ========================== In case you vote for the "join forum and ML" option: Do you wish to have the mailing list archive imported into the forum? (I'm not sure if that's possible, though.) Or do you rather not want this, and why? 4. Can you/Do you want to help developing MusE? =============================================== I'm not sure how many people on lmuse-user have enough skills to develop MusE, so i'd rather ask now: Would you like to / Are you able to help with MusE development in any way, e.g.: - - Write some audio code - - Do some software architecture - - Write some GUI code - - Design the GUI, without having to program it, e.g. in qt-designer especially the last one is important: If some of you could design the User Interface in a What-You-See-Is-What-You-Get tool like qt-designer, this would greatly help us creating intuitive and ergonomic user interfaces. Listen, I am a system programmer. I am good at doing clean software architecture, and at writing non-interactive programs "which just do their job" (such as the audio backend in MusE, e.g.). But I suck horribly at designing User Interfaces, it usually becomes ugly AND non-intuitive, because I model it after how it works internally, not how a human would think :) I admit that currently, there's few UI done with qt-designer. But if we have the incentive to receive help from you, we will turn towards GUI being qt-designer only :) Phew, that's it :) So please answer the following, and help making MusE's community a little bit more awesome: 1. a) Drop the ML, have only a forum b) Drop the forum, have only a ML (I dislike this idea, because forums are much more attractive for newbies) c) Join them like described above. 2. Would you volunteer to be a moderator for forum or ML? 3. Import the ML archive into the forum? 4. Can you help developing, e.g. by doing GUI-designing? *Deadline* for replies will be on *Monday, 2013-11-18*. I have cross-posted this on the forum, please don't double-reply if you read both forum and ML; pick one ;) Thank you and greetings, flo -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSduHUAAoJEHPd9QK/nPql3FsH/38smxCFwswMFOFx94s6weTi OqEh/ofKfCU3mRxXNpXpI+yuGz6A8AZls+nEG7n78/znLiBHhadbHNmdqr7fHPF/ 2cV51ct/jmcgcKyPY6PoL+cHbmf5S/FhsJ4ScXaBE5+bqovXD9BGixK18KSWK1p6 78mQ1vEFY6vRModnbIXBsrN5tf0TzrArYMemqpM2kagRHHiNe6cfjoPAC3s4pkp1 tRPRse9M1k4UVIXv5eTO5TLMYyuGS4qS6ZAo1ASzeXjg4Z3OV+HbOz7hRIyO8DVt MIMttS+PwerDRtYcjQWwN+LIM/vcfAPckHm7wg2pg8l8xoxZ6sRJPLqlLFItTgI= =BfmF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
From: Cameron D. M. <yat...@zo...> - 2013-11-04 17:25:09
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Dear List: I joined a while ago and just received the message (about elections) from Florian Jung. I appreciate the useful activity of Muse developers and users. I'm afraid I'm not yet to a place where I can carefully consider the factors in Florian's message, but thought I'd take the opportunity to praise the software. I am using a Johannes organ at church, and Muse is the only software on Linux which I have been able to successfully use to record and play back the organ. The organ is intended to be able to use a non-proprietary sequencer, but other Linux sequencers have a problem recording MIDI events on a given channel, then playing them back on the *identical* channel on which they were recorded. For the Johannes organ, this seems especially important for the channel which handles all patch changes (channel 12). I found that the Muse software could successfully import a MIDI file recorded with Reaper (a windows MIDI sequencer) and created a four-track Muse project. The input and output channel features of a Muse MIDI track are sufficiently robust to allow very specific assignments of channels to tracks. Therefore I've been able to use Muse exclusively for recording and playing back organ music. I'm afraid I lack time to monitor responses to this message, but again express thanks and best regards to users and developers. Sincerely, Cameron D. McIntosh |
From: Geoff B. <ge...@la...> - 2013-11-06 00:34:50
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On 04/11/13 10:52, Florian Jung wrote: > So please answer the following, and help making MusE's community a > little bit more awesome: > > 1. a) Drop the ML, have only a forum > b) Drop the forum, have only a ML (I dislike this idea, because > forums are much more attractive for newbies) > c) Join them like described above. I'm happy to drop the ML. Forums work better over time i think. things are easily lost/forgotten on ML. mail is good as long as it gets responded to in 24 hours or so - after that is just gets lost. Forum +1. > 2. Would you volunteer to be a moderator for forum or ML? sure > 3. Import the ML archive into the forum? not sure that's really necessary - keep it clean -i'd say no. > 4. Can you help developing, e.g. by doing GUI-designing? i'd try some GUI stuff. if you can help point me to qt-designer. it used to be part of QT wasn't it? i can't seem to find it in qt-4 on Arch linux anyway... point me at it and we'll see what happens. cheers g |
From: Dennis S. <mus...@wi...> - 2013-11-06 01:29:12
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Hi Florian, On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 00:52:52 +0100 Florian Jung <fl...@wi...> wrote: > 1. a) Drop the ML, have only a forum > b) Drop the forum, have only a ML (I dislike this idea, because > forums are much more attractive for newbies) > c) Join them like described above. We're talking about lmuse-user not lmuse-developer, right? Ok. Being a software developer I like mailing lists much better then forums. However forums are more accessible for users. Therefor I vote for the forum. A mailing list integration would be nice but is no must. If it turns out to be too much of a hassle it would be ok with me to have the forum only. The same goes for the archive. Nice to have, sure but I think it's a lot of work to get it right. Probably not worth it. > 2. Would you volunteer to be a moderator for forum or ML? Sure. I already help out at some other places. > 3. Import the ML archive into the forum? See above. If it can be done with a simple script, why not. The most important thing would be to check for the In-Reply-To or References mail header. It both are missing it's a new thread. Otherwise it's a reply to something. I think it would be ok to import all archived mails with a special forum user. As if all posts were made by only one person replying to himself. > 4. Can you help developing, e.g. by doing GUI-designing? If I only had more time. If I only had more time. I'd love hacking muse. Especially since muse is really a great midi sequencer but could use some more features in that department. I have never done any dsp/audio work but architecture, oop, gui work would be fine for me. If I only had more time ... Dennis |
From: martin <mar...@we...> - 2013-11-06 21:12:22
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > So please answer the following, and help making MusE's community a little bit more awesome: > > 1. a) Drop the ML, have only a forum b) Drop the forum, have only a ML (I dislike this idea, because forums are > much more attractive for newbies) c) Join them like described above. No clear preference. I like to browse forums for older posts, but I prefer posting via email. > 2. Would you volunteer to be a moderator for forum or ML? Yes, but I cannot make promises about the far future. > 3. Import the ML archive into the forum? I suppose the only requirement is, that older posts are still searchable somehow. > 4. Can you help developing, e.g. by doing GUI-designing? I suck at GUIs as much as you do. All in all the GUI is quite good IMO. The only thing I don't like is the fader buttons, which should be a bit crispier. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlJ6sLMACgkQKkUHbleEZGW43ACeMc8B8vnvZhGXVvDBBxgQu8Iw JLAAoJM49dGo70/ZOZxLRC6gFbxVXwWq =qfoV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |