From: Robert J. <spa...@gm...> - 2011-02-14 21:34:58
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Hey folks, Haven't heard any feedback on the graphical audio automation so either it's unknown or it's working really crappy (probably a bit of both ;). Anyway here's a screenshot with some crazy automation just to show off that it works. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7739312/auto.png As it is now you need to hold down CTRL to add new automation points, easy to miss, not sure how to change it so it's easier to understand. Regards, Robert |
From: Geoff B. <ge...@la...> - 2011-02-15 00:37:15
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On 02/15/2011 08:34 AM, Robert Jonsson wrote: > As it is now you need to hold down CTRL to add new automation points, > easy to miss, not sure how to change it so it's easier to understand. one common and useful model is to double-click to create a node and click_drag a node outside the edit box edge and release the mouse to remove a node. another would be ctrl+RMB on a node to remove or LMB+del on a node to remove... 1000's of options really ;) i'll give automation a go and see how it works Robert - it works on midi I assume? thanks g |
From: Robert J. <spa...@gm...> - 2011-02-15 11:43:30
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2011/2/15 Geoff Beasley <ge...@la...>: > On 02/15/2011 08:34 AM, Robert Jonsson wrote: >> >> As it is now you need to hold down CTRL to add new automation points, >> easy to miss, not sure how to change it so it's easier to understand. > > one common and useful model is to double-click to create a node and > click_drag a node outside the edit box edge and release the mouse to remove > a node. another would be ctrl+RMB on a node to remove or LMB+del on a node > to remove... 1000's of options really ;) > > i'll give automation a go and see how it works Robert - it works on midi I > assume? Sorry no. Audio was the main focus. Haven't studied how this could be done for midi yet. I think I will try some other program and get the 'feel' for practical automation controls. Regards, Robert > > thanks > > g > > |
From: Geoff B. <ge...@la...> - 2011-02-15 12:34:32
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On 02/15/2011 10:43 PM, Robert Jonsson wrote: > Sorry no. Audio was the main focus. Haven't studied how this could be > done for midi yet. bugger - oh well maybe one day g |
From: Tim E. R. <ter...@ro...> - 2011-02-15 00:51:22
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On February 14, 2011 04:34:51 pm Robert Jonsson wrote: > Hey folks, > > Haven't heard any feedback on the graphical audio automation so either > it's unknown or it's working really crappy (probably a bit of both ;). > > Anyway here's a screenshot with some crazy automation just to show off > that it works. > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7739312/auto.png > > As it is now you need to hold down CTRL to add new automation points, > easy to miss, not sure how to change it so it's easier to understand. I can't seem to get that to work. I hold CTRL, even with pencil tool, and can't add new points or adjust existing ones. What am I doing wrong? Is the 'clickable' area inside the point boxes small, or is there a fairly wide 'margin'? Other than that, excellent work. Thank you. This is really starting to take MusE to another quantum level. And the toolbar positions saving/restoring seems to work great! Freakin' awesome. Thanks, man! I mentioned before I would like to add a small 'colour selection' toolbar for quick part colour selection, and possibly a knob to adjust transparency on the fly, as Geoff requested. BTW I am aware current part colour mechanism is broken, it keeps putting the last colour. So I'm looking at fixing that, as part of the 'colour selection' toolbar, or some other method. Tim. |
From: Robert J. <spa...@gm...> - 2011-02-15 11:45:52
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> I can't seem to get that to work. I hold CTRL, even with pencil tool, > and can't add new points or adjust existing ones. > What am I doing wrong? Ah yes. I forgot another crucial piece of information. There is a new tool "automation" on the toolbar, you need that ;) > Is the 'clickable' area inside the point boxes small, or is there a fairly > wide 'margin'? It's fairly small might need to make it bigger. Regards, Robert > > Other than that, excellent work. Thank you. This is really starting > to take MusE to another quantum level. > > And the toolbar positions saving/restoring seems to work great! > Freakin' awesome. Thanks, man! > > I mentioned before I would like to add a small 'colour selection' > toolbar for quick part colour selection, and possibly a knob to > adjust transparency on the fly, as Geoff requested. > > BTW I am aware current part colour mechanism is broken, it keeps putting > the last colour. So I'm looking at fixing that, as part of the > 'colour selection' toolbar, or some other method. > > Tim. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: > Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. > Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. > Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb > _______________________________________________ > Lmuse-user mailing list > Lmu...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmuse-user > |
From: Geoff K. <gs...@gm...> - 2011-02-15 02:51:33
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Tried the automation and have a few quick thoughts after only trying it a few minutes: 1) Found it hard to adjust and add nodes a few times. It didn't catch the first several tries, then all of the sudden I was able to CTRL click and it added points and the little cross hair was visible. Then it didn't catch again for several tries. Something strange is happening when trying to select/add nodes. 2) How would you re-set the automation to a flat line/initial value without turning it off or remove notes? 3) Maybe the automation should turn off when not visible? 4) After playing with nodes and settings for a few minutes it didn't work as expected. i.e automation was turned on, but it was really loud when it was supposed to be quiet. Overall, I think you are close and this is a great addition. Geoff K On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Tim E. Real <ter...@ro...> wrote: > On February 14, 2011 04:34:51 pm Robert Jonsson wrote: > > Hey folks, > > > > Haven't heard any feedback on the graphical audio automation so either > > it's unknown or it's working really crappy (probably a bit of both ;). > > > > Anyway here's a screenshot with some crazy automation just to show off > > that it works. > > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7739312/auto.png > > > > As it is now you need to hold down CTRL to add new automation points, > > easy to miss, not sure how to change it so it's easier to understand. > I can't seem to get that to work. I hold CTRL, even with pencil tool, > and can't add new points or adjust existing ones. > What am I doing wrong? > Is the 'clickable' area inside the point boxes small, or is there a fairly > wide 'margin'? > > Other than that, excellent work. Thank you. This is really starting > to take MusE to another quantum level. > > And the toolbar positions saving/restoring seems to work great! > Freakin' awesome. Thanks, man! > > I mentioned before I would like to add a small 'colour selection' > toolbar for quick part colour selection, and possibly a knob to > adjust transparency on the fly, as Geoff requested. > > BTW I am aware current part colour mechanism is broken, it keeps putting > the last colour. So I'm looking at fixing that, as part of the > 'colour selection' toolbar, or some other method. > > Tim. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: > Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. > Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. > Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb > _______________________________________________ > Lmuse-user mailing list > Lmu...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmuse-user > |
From: Geoff B. <ge...@la...> - 2011-02-15 04:02:12
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On 02/15/2011 01:51 PM, Geoff King wrote: > 3) Maybe the automation should turn off when not visible? not practical - if you've got even 20 tracks of automation, to have to have them all open to work is going to clutter the gui. an on/off function is imperative however. perhaps a 'grouping' function would be useful Robert? so, all the automation for eg: Brass could be turned on/off etc ? g. |
From: Robert J. <spa...@gm...> - 2011-02-15 11:56:06
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2011/2/15 Geoff King <gs...@gm...>: > Tried the automation and have a few quick thoughts after only trying it a > few minutes: > 1) Found it hard to adjust and add nodes a few times. It didn't catch the > first several tries, then all of the sudden I was able to CTRL click and it > added points and the little cross hair was visible. Then it didn't catch > again for several tries. Something strange is happening when trying to > select/add nodes. I'll do some more testing. One thing I know about is that it works best holding CTRL down. Waiting until you are over a line and then holding CTRL and clicking doesn't work well. I will try to fix it. > 2) How would you re-set the automation to a flat line/initial value without > turning it off or remove notes? Currently it's only possible by right clicking on the relevant knob. So if you are adjusting volume for a track, right click on that volume slider. I'll add a menu at some point with this information. > 3) Maybe the automation should turn off when not visible? No I don't think that would work right. You can disable all automation for a track by changing the automation button at the bottom of it's mixer strip to 'Off'. > 4) After playing with nodes and settings for a few minutes it didn't work as > expected. i.e automation was turned on, but it was really loud when it was > supposed to be quiet. I noticed something similar yesterday after sending the mail. It was with volume too. Volume is special since it has a logarithmic scale, not sure if the problems are related to this. > > Overall, I think you are close and this is a great addition. Geoff K Thanks, Robert > > > On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Tim E. Real <ter...@ro...> wrote: >> >> On February 14, 2011 04:34:51 pm Robert Jonsson wrote: >> > Hey folks, >> > >> > Haven't heard any feedback on the graphical audio automation so either >> > it's unknown or it's working really crappy (probably a bit of both ;). >> > >> > Anyway here's a screenshot with some crazy automation just to show off >> > that it works. >> > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7739312/auto.png >> > >> > As it is now you need to hold down CTRL to add new automation points, >> > easy to miss, not sure how to change it so it's easier to understand. >> I can't seem to get that to work. I hold CTRL, even with pencil tool, >> and can't add new points or adjust existing ones. >> What am I doing wrong? >> Is the 'clickable' area inside the point boxes small, or is there a fairly >> wide 'margin'? >> >> Other than that, excellent work. Thank you. This is really starting >> to take MusE to another quantum level. >> >> And the toolbar positions saving/restoring seems to work great! >> Freakin' awesome. Thanks, man! >> >> I mentioned before I would like to add a small 'colour selection' >> toolbar for quick part colour selection, and possibly a knob to >> adjust transparency on the fly, as Geoff requested. >> >> BTW I am aware current part colour mechanism is broken, it keeps putting >> the last colour. So I'm looking at fixing that, as part of the >> 'colour selection' toolbar, or some other method. >> >> Tim. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: >> Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. >> Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. >> Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb >> _______________________________________________ >> Lmuse-user mailing list >> Lmu...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmuse-user > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: > Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. > Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. > Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb > _______________________________________________ > Lmuse-user mailing list > Lmu...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmuse-user > > |
From: Tim E. R. <ter...@ro...> - 2011-02-15 05:24:58
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On February 14, 2011 04:34:51 pm Robert Jonsson wrote: > As it is now you need to hold down CTRL to add new automation points, > easy to miss, not sure how to change it so it's easier to understand. Using default CTRL with midi or wave tracks won't be good because that key is sort of reserved for selecting parts. So are shift and alt, for movement. What say we use the (gasp!) meta key by default? ("Duh, what's a meta key?"). Yeah, I've got pre-95 keyboards that I use, but the key will be configurable. Alternative is to use a letter or number key, but let's try to avoid. Another alternative is to *toggle* into and out of a graph 'mode' by pressing a key... Whatever we use, make the code not select/deselect parts like it currently does. Tim. |
From: Geoff B. <ge...@la...> - 2011-02-15 05:27:32
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On 02/15/2011 04:13 PM, Tim E. Real wrote: > Another alternative is to*toggle* into and out of a graph 'mode' by > pressing a key... that gets my vote of the 3. so long as you can add/subtract/move nodes what more is there? |