From: Tobiasz K. <un...@gm...> - 2014-01-09 11:43:31
|
[ *listen to this e-mail* - download Ogg <http://goo.gl/Bvrnu4> or MP3<http://goo.gl/t0cT56>] Hi everyone! My name is unfa and I'm a music producer, songwriter and vocalist. I make electronic music with LMMS/ZynAddSubFX duo. My last album<http://goo.gl/yTNC4v>sold in 15 copies ;) I'm nearly a daily user of Linux MultiMedia Studio. However still I came to fight a strong feeling that LMMS project is barely alive. The project's website seems to change only on new releases. The news section changes only once a few months and could be renamed to "Recent Releases". The screenshots, demos, and Wiki are old and outdated. The releases seem to appear out-of-nowhere and anonymously without any prior information or buzz. No one knows if and when will they happen. At least that's how it feels to me. However I'm now sure that there are plans, fixes, patches and discussions going on - they are just hard to see, because they all happen in the mailing list (or IRC?) Regardless of what it looks like, this project is huge and to me it is in top 6 creative FLOSS tools ever made (LMMS, Ardour, Audacity, Blender, Inkscape, GIMP). It's THE (as opposed to A) open tool for electronic music creation. I think we all need to realize this - how important LMMS is to all artists around the globe. There's nothing like it out there. However it's sometimes seem hard to believe. Why? To find out- I'll reach out to another project I'm in love with - Blender. The open 3D toolkit. I'we been watching it closely for more than a while. It's as big to have several full-time paid developers working on it and big investors helping it's development. Putting out big cooperative projects every year or two - blasting another shockwave of excitement that echoes with more interest and support. Watching Blender and LMMS made me think of one reason why LMMS seems asleep while it's not. I'm thinking of the weak social aspects of LMMS' website. The Facebook page does a good job but it's not sufficient and not too exposed on Sourceforge page. And it doesn't seem to feed enough news anyway. I am thinking of one way to attract and excite more users and developers who will help us build this project. A Blog. A development journal. A place that'll make all work done on LMMS visible to everyone. We need to show that we're here, show that many great artists use this, find them, make music contests, make remix parties, make weekly musical challenges, make an official video channel with tips and features explained, with videoblog updates every two weeks, put together a 3-minute demo video and place it on the front page, make an album of the year contest, make a track of the month contest, make every release pre-announced and announced with excitement and passion letting everyone say "I like it!", make a fundraising campaign, go to Google Summer of Code, go to Kickstarter, start interviewing developers and users, start a LMMS podcast, make LMMS conferences, festivals, radio stations, stop being afraid, stop sitting in the shadow, stop being shy!! Now, I know this is a bit over-the-top, but hey - possibilities are endless, all of what I said is possible. We just need to follow a good plan, see our goals, and we'll make it. There's so much we can do, so many people who are waiting to hear about us, who will help us - there are so much creative and capable people out here - in this community. *Let's wake up!* - unfa |
From: Jonathan A. <eag...@gm...> - 2014-01-09 12:33:21
|
I too would like to help my programming know how would require me to take a very steep learning curve. I too can provide a website and even a section in my forums for use if that is so desired. On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Emilio Coppola <cop...@gm...>wrote: > One of the main problems is working using mailing lists. Using a platform > like github will not only provide us exposure but it will also help the > user to report bugs, submit changes and see that the program its alive. > Right now the repository is for most of the population "hidden". This being > a program targeted to musicians that have no programming knowledge makes it > even harder to compete with other products as FL studio since they have a > better user interface and design. Which brings me to the second point: > The design is horrible. It looks like a program made on the 90. The name > has the word Linux on it and it claims to be multimedia but it's an audio > program. > The sourceforge website is very simple but not engaging. It doesn't try to > engage any person on using the program. > > So, with all this said in my broken English (sorry) I want to offer my > time to help the project. I can provide a better website and take care of > some part in the coordination of this initiative. I have built some simple > tools for my own needs but they can also be used for LMMS to move forward > into a better stage. > > Thanks for staying active! > > > 2014/1/9 Tobiasz Karoń <un...@gm...> > >> [ *listen to this e-mail* - download Ogg <http://goo.gl/Bvrnu4> or MP3<http://goo.gl/t0cT56>] >> >> Hi everyone! >> >> My name is unfa and I'm a music producer, songwriter and vocalist. I make >> electronic music with LMMS/ZynAddSubFX duo. My last album<http://goo.gl/yTNC4v>sold in 15 copies ;) >> >> I'm nearly a daily user of Linux MultiMedia Studio. However still I came >> to fight a strong feeling that LMMS project is barely alive. >> The project's website seems to change only on new releases. The news >> section changes only once a few months and could be renamed to "Recent >> Releases". The screenshots, demos, and Wiki are old and outdated. The >> releases seem to appear out-of-nowhere and anonymously without any prior >> information or buzz. No one knows if and when will they happen. At least >> that's how it feels to me. >> >> However I'm now sure that there are plans, fixes, patches and discussions >> going on - they are just hard to see, because they all happen in the >> mailing list (or IRC?) >> >> Regardless of what it looks like, this project is huge and to me it is in >> top 6 creative FLOSS tools ever made (LMMS, Ardour, Audacity, Blender, >> Inkscape, GIMP). >> It's THE (as opposed to A) open tool for electronic music creation. >> >> I think we all need to realize this - how important LMMS is to all >> artists around the globe. There's nothing like it out there. >> >> However it's sometimes seem hard to believe. Why? >> >> To find out- I'll reach out to another project I'm in love with - >> Blender. The open 3D toolkit. I'we been watching it closely for more than a >> while. It's as big to have several full-time paid developers working on it >> and big investors helping it's development. Putting out big cooperative >> projects every year or two - blasting another shockwave of excitement that >> echoes with more interest and support. >> >> Watching Blender and LMMS made me think of one reason why LMMS seems >> asleep while it's not. >> >> I'm thinking of the weak social aspects of LMMS' website. The Facebook >> page does a good job but it's not sufficient and not too exposed on >> Sourceforge page. And it doesn't seem to feed enough news anyway. >> >> I am thinking of one way to attract and excite more users and developers >> who will help us build this project. >> >> A Blog. A development journal. A place that'll make all work done on LMMS >> visible to everyone. >> >> We need to show that we're here, show that many great artists use this, >> find them, make music contests, make remix parties, make weekly musical >> challenges, make an official video channel with tips and features >> explained, with videoblog updates every two weeks, put together a 3-minute >> demo video and place it on the front page, make an album of the year >> contest, make a track of the month contest, make every release >> pre-announced and announced with excitement and passion letting everyone >> say "I like it!", make a fundraising campaign, go to Google Summer of Code, >> go to Kickstarter, start interviewing developers and users, start a LMMS >> podcast, make LMMS conferences, festivals, radio stations, stop being >> afraid, stop sitting in the shadow, stop being shy!! >> >> Now, I know this is a bit over-the-top, but hey - possibilities are >> endless, all of what I said is possible. We just need to follow a good >> plan, see our goals, and we'll make it. >> >> There's so much we can do, so many people who are waiting to hear about >> us, who will help us - there are so much creative and capable people out >> here - in this community. *Let's wake up!* >> >> - unfa >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. >> Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For >> Critical Workloads, Development Environments & Everything In Between. >> Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. >> >> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk >> _______________________________________________ >> LMMS-devel mailing list >> LMM...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. > Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For > Critical Workloads, Development Environments & Everything In Between. > Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. > > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > _______________________________________________ > LMMS-devel mailing list > LMM...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel > > -- Jonathan Aquilina |
From: Tobiasz K. <un...@gm...> - 2014-01-09 12:41:31
|
Thank you, Emilio! The misleading name issue you mentioned was discussed already (someone proposed to rename it to *Love Making Music Studio*, which I personally liked), but other said that LMMS is an established brand (like "Pepsi") and dropping the name could hurt us a lot. Others replied we can keep a "formerly: LMMS" caption under the new name for some time. I'd support the idea of bringing a new, better fitting name and logo. There's a Paul Giblock's initiative to re-write LMMS named Unison Studio<http://sourceforge.net/projects/unison/> - I remember it also had a really nice logo. I don't know what's with that but I'll try to get some information about this. 2014/1/9 Emilio Coppola <cop...@gm...> > One of the main problems is working using mailing lists. Using a platform > like github will not only provide us exposure but it will also help the > user to report bugs, submit changes and see that the program its alive. > Right now the repository is for most of the population "hidden". This being > a program targeted to musicians that have no programming knowledge makes it > even harder to compete with other products as FL studio since they have a > better user interface and design. Which brings me to the second point: > The design is horrible. It looks like a program made on the 90. The name > has the word Linux on it and it claims to be multimedia but it's an audio > program. > The sourceforge website is very simple but not engaging. It doesn't try to > engage any person on using the program. > > So, with all this said in my broken English (sorry) I want to offer my > time to help the project. I can provide a better website and take care of > some part in the coordination of this initiative. I have built some simple > tools for my own needs but they can also be used for LMMS to move forward > into a better stage. > > Thanks for staying active! > > > 2014/1/9 Tobiasz Karoń <un...@gm...> > >> [ *listen to this e-mail* - download Ogg <http://goo.gl/Bvrnu4> or MP3<http://goo.gl/t0cT56>] >> >> Hi everyone! >> >> My name is unfa and I'm a music producer, songwriter and vocalist. I make >> electronic music with LMMS/ZynAddSubFX duo. My last album<http://goo.gl/yTNC4v>sold in 15 copies ;) >> >> I'm nearly a daily user of Linux MultiMedia Studio. However still I came >> to fight a strong feeling that LMMS project is barely alive. >> The project's website seems to change only on new releases. The news >> section changes only once a few months and could be renamed to "Recent >> Releases". The screenshots, demos, and Wiki are old and outdated. The >> releases seem to appear out-of-nowhere and anonymously without any prior >> information or buzz. No one knows if and when will they happen. At least >> that's how it feels to me. >> >> However I'm now sure that there are plans, fixes, patches and discussions >> going on - they are just hard to see, because they all happen in the >> mailing list (or IRC?) >> >> Regardless of what it looks like, this project is huge and to me it is in >> top 6 creative FLOSS tools ever made (LMMS, Ardour, Audacity, Blender, >> Inkscape, GIMP). >> It's THE (as opposed to A) open tool for electronic music creation. >> >> I think we all need to realize this - how important LMMS is to all >> artists around the globe. There's nothing like it out there. >> >> However it's sometimes seem hard to believe. Why? >> >> To find out- I'll reach out to another project I'm in love with - >> Blender. The open 3D toolkit. I'we been watching it closely for more than a >> while. It's as big to have several full-time paid developers working on it >> and big investors helping it's development. Putting out big cooperative >> projects every year or two - blasting another shockwave of excitement that >> echoes with more interest and support. >> >> Watching Blender and LMMS made me think of one reason why LMMS seems >> asleep while it's not. >> >> I'm thinking of the weak social aspects of LMMS' website. The Facebook >> page does a good job but it's not sufficient and not too exposed on >> Sourceforge page. And it doesn't seem to feed enough news anyway. >> >> I am thinking of one way to attract and excite more users and developers >> who will help us build this project. >> >> A Blog. A development journal. A place that'll make all work done on LMMS >> visible to everyone. >> >> We need to show that we're here, show that many great artists use this, >> find them, make music contests, make remix parties, make weekly musical >> challenges, make an official video channel with tips and features >> explained, with videoblog updates every two weeks, put together a 3-minute >> demo video and place it on the front page, make an album of the year >> contest, make a track of the month contest, make every release >> pre-announced and announced with excitement and passion letting everyone >> say "I like it!", make a fundraising campaign, go to Google Summer of Code, >> go to Kickstarter, start interviewing developers and users, start a LMMS >> podcast, make LMMS conferences, festivals, radio stations, stop being >> afraid, stop sitting in the shadow, stop being shy!! >> >> Now, I know this is a bit over-the-top, but hey - possibilities are >> endless, all of what I said is possible. We just need to follow a good >> plan, see our goals, and we'll make it. >> >> There's so much we can do, so many people who are waiting to hear about >> us, who will help us - there are so much creative and capable people out >> here - in this community. *Let's wake up!* >> >> - unfa >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. >> Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For >> Critical Workloads, Development Environments & Everything In Between. >> Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. >> >> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk >> _______________________________________________ >> LMMS-devel mailing list >> LMM...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel >> >> > -- Tobiasz *unfa* -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GIT/MU/P d->-- s+:-(--)> a? C++(+++)>$ ULC+(++)>$ !P? L+++>++++$ E? 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From: Jonathan A. <eag...@gm...> - 2014-01-09 12:48:51
|
I thought that was only going to replace the core of lmms and nothing else. On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Tobiasz Karoń <un...@gm...> wrote: > Thank you, Emilio! > > The misleading name issue you mentioned was discussed already (someone > proposed to rename it to *Love Making Music Studio*, which I personally > liked), but other said that LMMS is an established brand (like "Pepsi") and > dropping the name could hurt us a lot. Others replied we can keep a > "formerly: LMMS" caption under the new name for some time. > > I'd support the idea of bringing a new, better fitting name and logo. > There's a Paul Giblock's initiative to re-write LMMS named Unison Studio<http://sourceforge.net/projects/unison/> - > I remember it also had a really nice logo. I don't know what's with that > but I'll try to get some information about this. > > > 2014/1/9 Emilio Coppola <cop...@gm...> > >> One of the main problems is working using mailing lists. Using a platform >> like github will not only provide us exposure but it will also help the >> user to report bugs, submit changes and see that the program its alive. >> Right now the repository is for most of the population "hidden". This being >> a program targeted to musicians that have no programming knowledge makes it >> even harder to compete with other products as FL studio since they have a >> better user interface and design. Which brings me to the second point: >> The design is horrible. It looks like a program made on the 90. The name >> has the word Linux on it and it claims to be multimedia but it's an audio >> program. >> The sourceforge website is very simple but not engaging. It doesn't try >> to engage any person on using the program. >> >> So, with all this said in my broken English (sorry) I want to offer my >> time to help the project. I can provide a better website and take care of >> some part in the coordination of this initiative. I have built some simple >> tools for my own needs but they can also be used for LMMS to move forward >> into a better stage. >> >> Thanks for staying active! >> >> >> 2014/1/9 Tobiasz Karoń <un...@gm...> >> >>> [ *listen to this e-mail* - download Ogg <http://goo.gl/Bvrnu4> or MP3<http://goo.gl/t0cT56>] >>> >>> Hi everyone! >>> >>> My name is unfa and I'm a music producer, songwriter and vocalist. I >>> make electronic music with LMMS/ZynAddSubFX duo. My last album<http://goo.gl/yTNC4v>sold in 15 copies ;) >>> >>> I'm nearly a daily user of Linux MultiMedia Studio. However still I came >>> to fight a strong feeling that LMMS project is barely alive. >>> The project's website seems to change only on new releases. The news >>> section changes only once a few months and could be renamed to "Recent >>> Releases". The screenshots, demos, and Wiki are old and outdated. The >>> releases seem to appear out-of-nowhere and anonymously without any prior >>> information or buzz. No one knows if and when will they happen. At least >>> that's how it feels to me. >>> >>> However I'm now sure that there are plans, fixes, patches and >>> discussions going on - they are just hard to see, because they all happen >>> in the mailing list (or IRC?) >>> >>> Regardless of what it looks like, this project is huge and to me it is >>> in top 6 creative FLOSS tools ever made (LMMS, Ardour, Audacity, Blender, >>> Inkscape, GIMP). >>> It's THE (as opposed to A) open tool for electronic music creation. >>> >>> I think we all need to realize this - how important LMMS is to all >>> artists around the globe. There's nothing like it out there. >>> >>> However it's sometimes seem hard to believe. Why? >>> >>> To find out- I'll reach out to another project I'm in love with - >>> Blender. The open 3D toolkit. I'we been watching it closely for more than a >>> while. It's as big to have several full-time paid developers working on it >>> and big investors helping it's development. Putting out big cooperative >>> projects every year or two - blasting another shockwave of excitement that >>> echoes with more interest and support. >>> >>> Watching Blender and LMMS made me think of one reason why LMMS seems >>> asleep while it's not. >>> >>> I'm thinking of the weak social aspects of LMMS' website. The Facebook >>> page does a good job but it's not sufficient and not too exposed on >>> Sourceforge page. And it doesn't seem to feed enough news anyway. >>> >>> I am thinking of one way to attract and excite more users and developers >>> who will help us build this project. >>> >>> A Blog. A development journal. A place that'll make all work done on >>> LMMS visible to everyone. >>> >>> We need to show that we're here, show that many great artists use this, >>> find them, make music contests, make remix parties, make weekly musical >>> challenges, make an official video channel with tips and features >>> explained, with videoblog updates every two weeks, put together a 3-minute >>> demo video and place it on the front page, make an album of the year >>> contest, make a track of the month contest, make every release >>> pre-announced and announced with excitement and passion letting everyone >>> say "I like it!", make a fundraising campaign, go to Google Summer of Code, >>> go to Kickstarter, start interviewing developers and users, start a LMMS >>> podcast, make LMMS conferences, festivals, radio stations, stop being >>> afraid, stop sitting in the shadow, stop being shy!! >>> >>> Now, I know this is a bit over-the-top, but hey - possibilities are >>> endless, all of what I said is possible. We just need to follow a good >>> plan, see our goals, and we'll make it. >>> >>> There's so much we can do, so many people who are waiting to hear about >>> us, who will help us - there are so much creative and capable people out >>> here - in this community. *Let's wake up!* >>> >>> - unfa >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. >>> Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For >>> Critical Workloads, Development Environments & Everything In Between. >>> Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. >>> >>> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk >>> _______________________________________________ >>> LMMS-devel mailing list >>> LMM...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel >>> >>> >> > > > -- > Tobiasz *unfa* > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version: 3.1 > GIT/MU/P d->-- s+:-(--)> a? C++(+++)>$ ULC+(++)>$ !P? L+++>++++$ E? W++>$ > !N-? !o--? K-? !w-- O? !M-- V? PS++ PE++ !Y+ !PGP+? !t(+) 5? !X !R+ tv > b+>+++ DI>+ D+ G e h-->- !r y--() > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. > Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For > Critical Workloads, Development Environments & Everything In Between. > Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. > > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > _______________________________________________ > LMMS-devel mailing list > LMM...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel > > -- Jonathan Aquilina |
From: David M. <dav...@gm...> - 2014-01-09 15:35:10
|
Hey guys, lurker here. I too like this project a lot and am very interested in seeing it take off. I have a thought about the branding. Some time ago there was a company called Kentucky Fried Chicken that had a branding problem similar to ours. Their name was outdated. They didn't want to be associated with Kentucky anymore. The public's perception of the word "fried" had changed, linking it to obesity and malnutrition. But they didn't want to completely overhaul their branding. They had put a lot of work into their current brand and there was still a lot of value in it, although it was declining. Their solution? They decided to officially go with the acronym: KFC. Most people were already familiar with the acronym anyways, as people had been using it for years. It was short and had the potential to be branded back into a different name in the future if the need arose (which they tried to do with the "Kitchen Fresh Chicken" initiative, which has largely been a failure). Linux Multi-Media Studio could just be branded as LMMS. We just drop all the words from it and go with the acronym officially. Remove all mentions of "Linux" (other than yes, that's a platform that is supported, and maybe a brief historical mention on the wiki that it used to be called something else). We already have lots of LMMS branded assets. All the users already call it LMMS, which sounds pretty cool and is easy to remember. It may not exactly be the world's biggest brand, but by adopting the acronym, we don't throw out our existing brand value with the rename. On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 4:41 AM, Tobiasz Karoń <un...@gm...> wrote: > Thank you, Emilio! > > The misleading name issue you mentioned was discussed already (someone > proposed to rename it to *Love Making Music Studio*, which I personally > liked), but other said that LMMS is an established brand (like "Pepsi") and > dropping the name could hurt us a lot. Others replied we can keep a > "formerly: LMMS" caption under the new name for some time. > > I'd support the idea of bringing a new, better fitting name and logo. > There's a Paul Giblock's initiative to re-write LMMS named Unison Studio<http://sourceforge.net/projects/unison/> - > I remember it also had a really nice logo. I don't know what's with that > but I'll try to get some information about this. > > > 2014/1/9 Emilio Coppola <cop...@gm...> > >> One of the main problems is working using mailing lists. Using a platform >> like github will not only provide us exposure but it will also help the >> user to report bugs, submit changes and see that the program its alive. >> Right now the repository is for most of the population "hidden". This being >> a program targeted to musicians that have no programming knowledge makes it >> even harder to compete with other products as FL studio since they have a >> better user interface and design. Which brings me to the second point: >> The design is horrible. It looks like a program made on the 90. The name >> has the word Linux on it and it claims to be multimedia but it's an audio >> program. >> The sourceforge website is very simple but not engaging. It doesn't try >> to engage any person on using the program. >> >> So, with all this said in my broken English (sorry) I want to offer my >> time to help the project. I can provide a better website and take care of >> some part in the coordination of this initiative. I have built some simple >> tools for my own needs but they can also be used for LMMS to move forward >> into a better stage. >> >> Thanks for staying active! >> >> >> 2014/1/9 Tobiasz Karoń <un...@gm...> >> >>> [ *listen to this e-mail* - download Ogg <http://goo.gl/Bvrnu4> or MP3<http://goo.gl/t0cT56>] >>> >>> Hi everyone! >>> >>> My name is unfa and I'm a music producer, songwriter and vocalist. I >>> make electronic music with LMMS/ZynAddSubFX duo. My last album<http://goo.gl/yTNC4v>sold in 15 copies ;) >>> >>> I'm nearly a daily user of Linux MultiMedia Studio. However still I came >>> to fight a strong feeling that LMMS project is barely alive. >>> The project's website seems to change only on new releases. The news >>> section changes only once a few months and could be renamed to "Recent >>> Releases". The screenshots, demos, and Wiki are old and outdated. The >>> releases seem to appear out-of-nowhere and anonymously without any prior >>> information or buzz. No one knows if and when will they happen. At least >>> that's how it feels to me. >>> >>> However I'm now sure that there are plans, fixes, patches and >>> discussions going on - they are just hard to see, because they all happen >>> in the mailing list (or IRC?) >>> >>> Regardless of what it looks like, this project is huge and to me it is >>> in top 6 creative FLOSS tools ever made (LMMS, Ardour, Audacity, Blender, >>> Inkscape, GIMP). >>> It's THE (as opposed to A) open tool for electronic music creation. >>> >>> I think we all need to realize this - how important LMMS is to all >>> artists around the globe. There's nothing like it out there. >>> >>> However it's sometimes seem hard to believe. Why? >>> >>> To find out- I'll reach out to another project I'm in love with - >>> Blender. The open 3D toolkit. I'we been watching it closely for more than a >>> while. It's as big to have several full-time paid developers working on it >>> and big investors helping it's development. Putting out big cooperative >>> projects every year or two - blasting another shockwave of excitement that >>> echoes with more interest and support. >>> >>> Watching Blender and LMMS made me think of one reason why LMMS seems >>> asleep while it's not. >>> >>> I'm thinking of the weak social aspects of LMMS' website. The Facebook >>> page does a good job but it's not sufficient and not too exposed on >>> Sourceforge page. And it doesn't seem to feed enough news anyway. >>> >>> I am thinking of one way to attract and excite more users and developers >>> who will help us build this project. >>> >>> A Blog. A development journal. A place that'll make all work done on >>> LMMS visible to everyone. >>> >>> We need to show that we're here, show that many great artists use this, >>> find them, make music contests, make remix parties, make weekly musical >>> challenges, make an official video channel with tips and features >>> explained, with videoblog updates every two weeks, put together a 3-minute >>> demo video and place it on the front page, make an album of the year >>> contest, make a track of the month contest, make every release >>> pre-announced and announced with excitement and passion letting everyone >>> say "I like it!", make a fundraising campaign, go to Google Summer of Code, >>> go to Kickstarter, start interviewing developers and users, start a LMMS >>> podcast, make LMMS conferences, festivals, radio stations, stop being >>> afraid, stop sitting in the shadow, stop being shy!! >>> >>> Now, I know this is a bit over-the-top, but hey - possibilities are >>> endless, all of what I said is possible. We just need to follow a good >>> plan, see our goals, and we'll make it. >>> >>> There's so much we can do, so many people who are waiting to hear about >>> us, who will help us - there are so much creative and capable people out >>> here - in this community. *Let's wake up!* >>> >>> - unfa >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. >>> Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For >>> Critical Workloads, Development Environments & Everything In Between. >>> Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. >>> >>> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk >>> _______________________________________________ >>> LMMS-devel mailing list >>> LMM...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel >>> >>> >> > > > -- > Tobiasz *unfa* > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version: 3.1 > GIT/MU/P d->-- s+:-(--)> a? C++(+++)>$ ULC+(++)>$ !P? L+++>++++$ E? W++>$ > !N-? !o--? K-? !w-- O? !M-- V? PS++ PE++ !Y+ !PGP+? !t(+) 5? !X !R+ tv > b+>+++ DI>+ D+ G e h-->- !r y--() > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. > Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For > Critical Workloads, Development Environments & Everything In Between. > Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. > > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > _______________________________________________ > LMMS-devel mailing list > LMM...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel > > |
From: David G. <dg...@gm...> - 2014-01-09 13:07:59
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On 9 January 2014 13:04, Emilio Coppola <cop...@gm...> wrote: > I don't think that LMMS is an stablished bran since is not a well known > program. While Love Making Music Studio is funny I don't feel it will > attract professional users to it. The basics need to be in place first. Undo. Project export facilities (e.g., MIDI). At the moment it's a toy - one I greatly enjoy playing with, but I can't reasonably describe it as more. - d. |
From: Tobiasz K. <un...@gm...> - 2014-01-09 14:06:19
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I like forums.xonotic.org maybe we could use the same engine they have there. There was a forum somewhere but I found it nowhere to be found. *Johannes*, it's great for you to show up - yes, we need new poeple to push this project forward. *Emilio,* you're right - new name would support new era in the life of the program and make it easier to tracks it's growth. For sure we need it. I'm thinking if it could become Paul Giblock's "Unison Studio" as i really like the name and it's already connected, or do we need something different again. *David,* I'd say LMMS is capable of real work - I've done over 6 hours of music with it and released two big albums - but the lack of undo, or basic editing functions in the song editor makes it a needlessly long process. And yes, this is being worked on. I'd also want to suggest two name changes inside the program: *Beat + Bassline Editor → Pattern Editor *(becasue not every patter is a beat or a bassline) *Song Editor → Sequencer *(for not every track is a song) I think to properly organize this "LMMS Rebirth" we need a good way to communicate - meeting could be hard to deploy (we're spread all around the globe) but at least a good place in the internet is needed. *Jonathan *has offered a section on his forums - maybe we should go for it and start planning and discussing there? It'll prevent the ideas from disappearing into the void... 2014/1/9 Jonathan Aquilina <eag...@gm...> > I thought that was only going to replace the core of lmms and nothing else. > > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Tobiasz Karoń <un...@gm...> wrote: > >> Thank you, Emilio! >> >> The misleading name issue you mentioned was discussed already (someone >> proposed to rename it to *Love Making Music Studio*, which I personally >> liked), but other said that LMMS is an established brand (like "Pepsi") and >> dropping the name could hurt us a lot. Others replied we can keep a >> "formerly: LMMS" caption under the new name for some time. >> >> I'd support the idea of bringing a new, better fitting name and logo. >> There's a Paul Giblock's initiative to re-write LMMS named Unison Studio<http://sourceforge.net/projects/unison/> - >> I remember it also had a really nice logo. I don't know what's with that >> but I'll try to get some information about this. >> >> >> 2014/1/9 Emilio Coppola <cop...@gm...> >> >>> One of the main problems is working using mailing lists. Using a >>> platform like github will not only provide us exposure but it will also >>> help the user to report bugs, submit changes and see that the program its >>> alive. Right now the repository is for most of the population "hidden". >>> This being a program targeted to musicians that have no programming >>> knowledge makes it even harder to compete with other products as FL studio >>> since they have a better user interface and design. Which brings me to the >>> second point: >>> The design is horrible. It looks like a program made on the 90. The name >>> has the word Linux on it and it claims to be multimedia but it's an audio >>> program. >>> The sourceforge website is very simple but not engaging. It doesn't try >>> to engage any person on using the program. >>> >>> So, with all this said in my broken English (sorry) I want to offer my >>> time to help the project. I can provide a better website and take care of >>> some part in the coordination of this initiative. I have built some simple >>> tools for my own needs but they can also be used for LMMS to move forward >>> into a better stage. >>> >>> Thanks for staying active! >>> >>> >>> 2014/1/9 Tobiasz Karoń <un...@gm...> >>> >>>> [ *listen to this e-mail* - download Ogg <http://goo.gl/Bvrnu4> or MP3<http://goo.gl/t0cT56>] >>>> >>>> Hi everyone! >>>> >>>> My name is unfa and I'm a music producer, songwriter and vocalist. I >>>> make electronic music with LMMS/ZynAddSubFX duo. My last album<http://goo.gl/yTNC4v>sold in 15 copies ;) >>>> >>>> I'm nearly a daily user of Linux MultiMedia Studio. However still I >>>> came to fight a strong feeling that LMMS project is barely alive. >>>> The project's website seems to change only on new releases. The news >>>> section changes only once a few months and could be renamed to "Recent >>>> Releases". The screenshots, demos, and Wiki are old and outdated. The >>>> releases seem to appear out-of-nowhere and anonymously without any prior >>>> information or buzz. No one knows if and when will they happen. At least >>>> that's how it feels to me. >>>> >>>> However I'm now sure that there are plans, fixes, patches and >>>> discussions going on - they are just hard to see, because they all happen >>>> in the mailing list (or IRC?) >>>> >>>> Regardless of what it looks like, this project is huge and to me it is >>>> in top 6 creative FLOSS tools ever made (LMMS, Ardour, Audacity, Blender, >>>> Inkscape, GIMP). >>>> It's THE (as opposed to A) open tool for electronic music creation. >>>> >>>> I think we all need to realize this - how important LMMS is to all >>>> artists around the globe. There's nothing like it out there. >>>> >>>> However it's sometimes seem hard to believe. Why? >>>> >>>> To find out- I'll reach out to another project I'm in love with - >>>> Blender. The open 3D toolkit. I'we been watching it closely for more than a >>>> while. It's as big to have several full-time paid developers working on it >>>> and big investors helping it's development. Putting out big cooperative >>>> projects every year or two - blasting another shockwave of excitement that >>>> echoes with more interest and support. >>>> >>>> Watching Blender and LMMS made me think of one reason why LMMS seems >>>> asleep while it's not. >>>> >>>> I'm thinking of the weak social aspects of LMMS' website. The Facebook >>>> page does a good job but it's not sufficient and not too exposed on >>>> Sourceforge page. And it doesn't seem to feed enough news anyway. >>>> >>>> I am thinking of one way to attract and excite more users and >>>> developers who will help us build this project. >>>> >>>> A Blog. A development journal. A place that'll make all work done on >>>> LMMS visible to everyone. >>>> >>>> We need to show that we're here, show that many great artists use this, >>>> find them, make music contests, make remix parties, make weekly musical >>>> challenges, make an official video channel with tips and features >>>> explained, with videoblog updates every two weeks, put together a 3-minute >>>> demo video and place it on the front page, make an album of the year >>>> contest, make a track of the month contest, make every release >>>> pre-announced and announced with excitement and passion letting everyone >>>> say "I like it!", make a fundraising campaign, go to Google Summer of Code, >>>> go to Kickstarter, start interviewing developers and users, start a LMMS >>>> podcast, make LMMS conferences, festivals, radio stations, stop being >>>> afraid, stop sitting in the shadow, stop being shy!! >>>> >>>> Now, I know this is a bit over-the-top, but hey - possibilities are >>>> endless, all of what I said is possible. We just need to follow a good >>>> plan, see our goals, and we'll make it. >>>> >>>> There's so much we can do, so many people who are waiting to hear about >>>> us, who will help us - there are so much creative and capable people out >>>> here - in this community. *Let's wake up!* >>>> >>>> - unfa >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. >>>> Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For >>>> Critical Workloads, Development Environments & Everything In Between. >>>> Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. >>>> >>>> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> LMMS-devel mailing list >>>> LMM...@li... >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Tobiasz *unfa* >> >> -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- >> Version: 3.1 >> GIT/MU/P d->-- s+:-(--)> a? C++(+++)>$ ULC+(++)>$ !P? L+++>++++$ E? W++>$ >> !N-? !o--? K-? !w-- O? !M-- V? PS++ PE++ !Y+ !PGP+? !t(+) 5? !X !R+ tv >> b+>+++ DI>+ D+ G e h-->- !r y--() >> ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. >> Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For >> Critical Workloads, Development Environments & Everything In Between. >> Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. >> >> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk >> _______________________________________________ >> LMMS-devel mailing list >> LMM...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel >> >> > > > -- > Jonathan Aquilina > -- Tobiasz *unfa* -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GIT/MU/P d->-- s+:-(--)> a? C++(+++)>$ ULC+(++)>$ !P? L+++>++++$ E? W++>$ !N-? !o--? K-? !w-- O? !M-- V? 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From: Rob K. <sou...@ku...> - 2014-01-09 15:40:40
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On 01/09/2014 09:05 AM, Tobiasz Karoñ wrote: > *Jonathan *has offered a section on his forums - maybe we should go for it > and start planning and discussing there? It'll prevent the ideas from > disappearing into the void... Your choice of words here is kind of funny, since Sourceforge mailing lists are archived on at least three different sites while a web forum is a single point of failure. I think the use of mailing lists is a useful "you must be at least this proficient to be a part of this community" ruler. User groups are fine for forums, but technical discussions are best served by mailing lists. Rob |
From: Devin V. <ven...@gm...> - 2014-01-09 15:22:16
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Hi all, I'm a programmer and I've contributed to LMMS in the past (multi-export feature). I do think it is a bit more work to be a part of this project because one must submit patches through the mailing list. I would really like to see the source hosted on Github, as it makes it much easier to see what others are contributing, the changes over time, etc. I've wanted to work on jackd integration, but because it is not so easy to get back into it each time, I tend not to do it. Also, as an open source contributor, I can tell you most developers want it to be known that they've contributed, as it helps them land paying jobs also. So with Github, it is quite easy to see all of the open source projects you've contributed to, so developers are likely to get some credit and benefit out of contributing beyond just their making LMMS better for themselves and others. I've watched the debate over renaming LMMS, and I'm not in favor. The name is fine, and I like the Linux roots. In fact, I love Linux a lot. Devin On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 8:05 AM, Tobiasz Karoń <un...@gm...> wrote: > I like forums.xonotic.org maybe we could use the same engine they have > there. > There was a forum somewhere but I found it nowhere to be found. > > *Johannes*, it's great for you to show up - yes, we need new poeple to > push this project forward. > > *Emilio,* you're right - new name would support new era in the life of > the program and make it easier to tracks it's growth. > For sure we need it. I'm thinking if it could become Paul Giblock's > "Unison Studio" as i really like the name and it's already connected, or do > we need something different again. > > *David,* I'd say LMMS is capable of real work - I've done over 6 hours > of music with it and released two big albums - but the lack of undo, or > basic editing functions in the song editor makes it a needlessly long > process. And yes, this is being worked on. > > I'd also want to suggest two name changes inside the program: > > *Beat + Bassline Editor → Pattern Editor *(becasue not every patter is a > beat or a bassline) > *Song Editor → Sequencer *(for not every track is a song) > > I think to properly organize this "LMMS Rebirth" we need a good way to > communicate - meeting could be hard to deploy (we're spread all around the > globe) but at least a good place in the internet is needed. > > *Jonathan *has offered a section on his forums - maybe we should go for > it and start planning and discussing there? It'll prevent the ideas from > disappearing into the void... > > > > 2014/1/9 Jonathan Aquilina <eag...@gm...> > >> I thought that was only going to replace the core of lmms and nothing >> else. >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Tobiasz Karoń <un...@gm...> wrote: >> >>> Thank you, Emilio! >>> >>> The misleading name issue you mentioned was discussed already (someone >>> proposed to rename it to *Love Making Music Studio*, which I personally >>> liked), but other said that LMMS is an established brand (like "Pepsi") and >>> dropping the name could hurt us a lot. Others replied we can keep a >>> "formerly: LMMS" caption under the new name for some time. >>> >>> I'd support the idea of bringing a new, better fitting name and logo. >>> There's a Paul Giblock's initiative to re-write LMMS named Unison Studio<http://sourceforge.net/projects/unison/> - >>> I remember it also had a really nice logo. I don't know what's with that >>> but I'll try to get some information about this. >>> >>> >>> 2014/1/9 Emilio Coppola <cop...@gm...> >>> >>>> One of the main problems is working using mailing lists. Using a >>>> platform like github will not only provide us exposure but it will also >>>> help the user to report bugs, submit changes and see that the program its >>>> alive. Right now the repository is for most of the population "hidden". >>>> This being a program targeted to musicians that have no programming >>>> knowledge makes it even harder to compete with other products as FL studio >>>> since they have a better user interface and design. Which brings me to the >>>> second point: >>>> The design is horrible. It looks like a program made on the 90. The >>>> name has the word Linux on it and it claims to be multimedia but it's an >>>> audio program. >>>> The sourceforge website is very simple but not engaging. It doesn't try >>>> to engage any person on using the program. >>>> >>>> So, with all this said in my broken English (sorry) I want to offer my >>>> time to help the project. I can provide a better website and take care of >>>> some part in the coordination of this initiative. I have built some simple >>>> tools for my own needs but they can also be used for LMMS to move forward >>>> into a better stage. >>>> >>>> Thanks for staying active! >>>> >>>> >>>> 2014/1/9 Tobiasz Karoń <un...@gm...> >>>> >>>>> [ *listen to this e-mail* - download Ogg <http://goo.gl/Bvrnu4> or MP3<http://goo.gl/t0cT56>] >>>>> >>>>> Hi everyone! >>>>> >>>>> My name is unfa and I'm a music producer, songwriter and vocalist. I >>>>> make electronic music with LMMS/ZynAddSubFX duo. My last album<http://goo.gl/yTNC4v>sold in 15 copies ;) >>>>> >>>>> I'm nearly a daily user of Linux MultiMedia Studio. However still I >>>>> came to fight a strong feeling that LMMS project is barely alive. >>>>> The project's website seems to change only on new releases. The news >>>>> section changes only once a few months and could be renamed to "Recent >>>>> Releases". The screenshots, demos, and Wiki are old and outdated. The >>>>> releases seem to appear out-of-nowhere and anonymously without any prior >>>>> information or buzz. No one knows if and when will they happen. At least >>>>> that's how it feels to me. >>>>> >>>>> However I'm now sure that there are plans, fixes, patches and >>>>> discussions going on - they are just hard to see, because they all happen >>>>> in the mailing list (or IRC?) >>>>> >>>>> Regardless of what it looks like, this project is huge and to me it is >>>>> in top 6 creative FLOSS tools ever made (LMMS, Ardour, Audacity, Blender, >>>>> Inkscape, GIMP). >>>>> It's THE (as opposed to A) open tool for electronic music creation. >>>>> >>>>> I think we all need to realize this - how important LMMS is to all >>>>> artists around the globe. There's nothing like it out there. >>>>> >>>>> However it's sometimes seem hard to believe. Why? >>>>> >>>>> To find out- I'll reach out to another project I'm in love with - >>>>> Blender. The open 3D toolkit. I'we been watching it closely for more than a >>>>> while. It's as big to have several full-time paid developers working on it >>>>> and big investors helping it's development. Putting out big cooperative >>>>> projects every year or two - blasting another shockwave of excitement that >>>>> echoes with more interest and support. >>>>> >>>>> Watching Blender and LMMS made me think of one reason why LMMS seems >>>>> asleep while it's not. >>>>> >>>>> I'm thinking of the weak social aspects of LMMS' website. The Facebook >>>>> page does a good job but it's not sufficient and not too exposed on >>>>> Sourceforge page. And it doesn't seem to feed enough news anyway. >>>>> >>>>> I am thinking of one way to attract and excite more users and >>>>> developers who will help us build this project. >>>>> >>>>> A Blog. A development journal. A place that'll make all work done on >>>>> LMMS visible to everyone. >>>>> >>>>> We need to show that we're here, show that many great artists use >>>>> this, find them, make music contests, make remix parties, make weekly >>>>> musical challenges, make an official video channel with tips and features >>>>> explained, with videoblog updates every two weeks, put together a 3-minute >>>>> demo video and place it on the front page, make an album of the year >>>>> contest, make a track of the month contest, make every release >>>>> pre-announced and announced with excitement and passion letting everyone >>>>> say "I like it!", make a fundraising campaign, go to Google Summer of Code, >>>>> go to Kickstarter, start interviewing developers and users, start a LMMS >>>>> podcast, make LMMS conferences, festivals, radio stations, stop being >>>>> afraid, stop sitting in the shadow, stop being shy!! >>>>> >>>>> Now, I know this is a bit over-the-top, but hey - possibilities are >>>>> endless, all of what I said is possible. We just need to follow a good >>>>> plan, see our goals, and we'll make it. >>>>> >>>>> There's so much we can do, so many people who are waiting to hear >>>>> about us, who will help us - there are so much creative and capable people >>>>> out here - in this community. *Let's wake up!* >>>>> >>>>> - unfa >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. >>>>> Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For >>>>> Critical Workloads, Development Environments & Everything In Between. >>>>> Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. >>>>> >>>>> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> LMMS-devel mailing list >>>>> LMM...@li... >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tobiasz *unfa* >>> >>> -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- >>> Version: 3.1 >>> GIT/MU/P d->-- s+:-(--)> a? C++(+++)>$ ULC+(++)>$ !P? L+++>++++$ E? >>> W++>$ !N-? !o--? K-? !w-- O? !M-- V? PS++ PE++ !Y+ !PGP+? !t(+) 5? !X !R+ >>> tv b+>+++ DI>+ D+ G e h-->- !r y--() >>> ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. >>> Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For >>> Critical Workloads, Development Environments & Everything In Between. >>> Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. >>> >>> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk >>> _______________________________________________ >>> LMMS-devel mailing list >>> LMM...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Jonathan Aquilina >> > > > > -- > Tobiasz *unfa* > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version: 3.1 > GIT/MU/P d->-- s+:-(--)> a? C++(+++)>$ ULC+(++)>$ !P? L+++>++++$ E? W++>$ > !N-? !o--? K-? !w-- O? !M-- V? PS++ PE++ !Y+ !PGP+? !t(+) 5? !X !R+ tv > b+>+++ DI>+ D+ G e h-->- !r y--() > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. > Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For > Critical Workloads, Development Environments & Everything In Between. > Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. > > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > _______________________________________________ > LMMS-devel mailing list > LMM...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel > > |
From: Tres F. <tre...@gm...> - 2014-01-09 16:00:49
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@Tobiasz, As usual, you are absolutely correct. I admire your enthusiasm last year I considered starting a kick-starter for LMMS, but lack the time. *What LMMS needs to march forward:* - A dedicated QT development team - Easily funded by a Kickstarter - Dedicated graphics/branding point of contact - Work with QT developers to finish theming support - Easily funded by a Kickstarter - Dedicated language/locale point of contact - Work with QT developers to implement proper QM language support *Obstacles:* - From my understanding, despite the money we raise, the primary developer, Tobias Doerffel does not have the time to dedicate to what we are describing - Tobias made it open source for a reason, so he is likely in favor of such a campaign. - A centralized leader or project manager is needed. This PM needs to have experiencing managing medium to large development efforts, budgets, resources and timelines. - A backing non-profit will help. If a team is hired, there needs to be a place for the money, and the payroll and taxes need to be managed properly. *Community:* - It is my experience that the rich community will be born from necessity. - Currently, LMMS lacks the stability and efficiency in a DAW needed to get a large community behind it. - Once the software is stable and taken seriously by the music community, the VST and Instrument vendors will start testing compatibility and offer support to LMMS users. *Where LMMS shines:* - Price - Instrument Plugins - Cross-platform - Piano Roll *Where LMMS lacks:* - Undo feature - Lack of "Drum Rack" - Inconsistency in UI (Right Click vs. Double Click vs. Ctrl Click vs. Alt Click) - UI space usage (toolbar is ~10% of screen, as opposed to Ableton's ~5%) - Branding/Artwork/Theme - Stability - Popularity/Reputation w/ music community - MIDI export - MP3 import/MP3 export *The Big Question:* - Who has the experience and the time to project manage this overhaul? Note: Project Managers can pay themselves for their work and still be considered non-profit. At this time in my life, I can personally offer to donate money and ideas, but cannot dedicate a lot of time. P.S. Tobiasz, I don't think I'm subscribed to the dev list, so you may want to forward this along. -Tres - Tre...@gm... On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 9:05 AM, Tobiasz Karoń <un...@gm...> wrote: > I like forums.xonotic.org maybe we could use the same engine they have > there. > There was a forum somewhere but I found it nowhere to be found. > > *Johannes*, it's great for you to show up - yes, we need new poeple to > push this project forward. > > *Emilio,* you're right - new name would support new era in the life of > the program and make it easier to tracks it's growth. > For sure we need it. I'm thinking if it could become Paul Giblock's > "Unison Studio" as i really like the name and it's already connected, or do > we need something different again. > > *David,* I'd say LMMS is capable of real work - I've done over 6 hours > of music with it and released two big albums - but the lack of undo, or > basic editing functions in the song editor makes it a needlessly long > process. And yes, this is being worked on. > > I'd also want to suggest two name changes inside the program: > > *Beat + Bassline Editor → Pattern Editor *(becasue not every patter is a > beat or a bassline) > *Song Editor → Sequencer *(for not every track is a song) > > I think to properly organize this "LMMS Rebirth" we need a good way to > communicate - meeting could be hard to deploy (we're spread all around the > globe) but at least a good place in the internet is needed. > > *Jonathan *has offered a section on his forums - maybe we should go for > it and start planning and discussing there? It'll prevent the ideas from > disappearing into the void... > > > > 2014/1/9 Jonathan Aquilina <eag...@gm...> > >> I thought that was only going to replace the core of lmms and nothing >> else. >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Tobiasz Karoń <un...@gm...> wrote: >> >>> Thank you, Emilio! >>> >>> The misleading name issue you mentioned was discussed already (someone >>> proposed to rename it to *Love Making Music Studio*, which I personally >>> liked), but other said that LMMS is an established brand (like "Pepsi") and >>> dropping the name could hurt us a lot. Others replied we can keep a >>> "formerly: LMMS" caption under the new name for some time. >>> >>> I'd support the idea of bringing a new, better fitting name and logo. >>> There's a Paul Giblock's initiative to re-write LMMS named Unison Studio<http://sourceforge.net/projects/unison/> - >>> I remember it also had a really nice logo. I don't know what's with that >>> but I'll try to get some information about this. >>> >>> >>> 2014/1/9 Emilio Coppola <cop...@gm...> >>> >>>> One of the main problems is working using mailing lists. Using a >>>> platform like github will not only provide us exposure but it will also >>>> help the user to report bugs, submit changes and see that the program its >>>> alive. Right now the repository is for most of the population "hidden". >>>> This being a program targeted to musicians that have no programming >>>> knowledge makes it even harder to compete with other products as FL studio >>>> since they have a better user interface and design. Which brings me to the >>>> second point: >>>> The design is horrible. It looks like a program made on the 90. The >>>> name has the word Linux on it and it claims to be multimedia but it's an >>>> audio program. >>>> The sourceforge website is very simple but not engaging. It doesn't try >>>> to engage any person on using the program. >>>> >>>> So, with all this said in my broken English (sorry) I want to offer my >>>> time to help the project. I can provide a better website and take care of >>>> some part in the coordination of this initiative. I have built some simple >>>> tools for my own needs but they can also be used for LMMS to move forward >>>> into a better stage. >>>> >>>> Thanks for staying active! >>>> >>>> >>>> 2014/1/9 Tobiasz Karoń <un...@gm...> >>>> >>>>> [ *listen to this e-mail* - download Ogg <http://goo.gl/Bvrnu4> or MP3<http://goo.gl/t0cT56>] >>>>> >>>>> Hi everyone! >>>>> >>>>> My name is unfa and I'm a music producer, songwriter and vocalist. I >>>>> make electronic music with LMMS/ZynAddSubFX duo. My last album<http://goo.gl/yTNC4v>sold in 15 copies ;) >>>>> >>>>> I'm nearly a daily user of Linux MultiMedia Studio. However still I >>>>> came to fight a strong feeling that LMMS project is barely alive. >>>>> The project's website seems to change only on new releases. The news >>>>> section changes only once a few months and could be renamed to "Recent >>>>> Releases". The screenshots, demos, and Wiki are old and outdated. The >>>>> releases seem to appear out-of-nowhere and anonymously without any prior >>>>> information or buzz. No one knows if and when will they happen. At least >>>>> that's how it feels to me. >>>>> >>>>> However I'm now sure that there are plans, fixes, patches and >>>>> discussions going on - they are just hard to see, because they all happen >>>>> in the mailing list (or IRC?) >>>>> >>>>> Regardless of what it looks like, this project is huge and to me it is >>>>> in top 6 creative FLOSS tools ever made (LMMS, Ardour, Audacity, Blender, >>>>> Inkscape, GIMP). >>>>> It's THE (as opposed to A) open tool for electronic music creation. >>>>> >>>>> I think we all need to realize this - how important LMMS is to all >>>>> artists around the globe. There's nothing like it out there. >>>>> >>>>> However it's sometimes seem hard to believe. Why? >>>>> >>>>> To find out- I'll reach out to another project I'm in love with - >>>>> Blender. The open 3D toolkit. I'we been watching it closely for more than a >>>>> while. It's as big to have several full-time paid developers working on it >>>>> and big investors helping it's development. Putting out big cooperative >>>>> projects every year or two - blasting another shockwave of excitement that >>>>> echoes with more interest and support. >>>>> >>>>> Watching Blender and LMMS made me think of one reason why LMMS seems >>>>> asleep while it's not. >>>>> >>>>> I'm thinking of the weak social aspects of LMMS' website. The Facebook >>>>> page does a good job but it's not sufficient and not too exposed on >>>>> Sourceforge page. And it doesn't seem to feed enough news anyway. >>>>> >>>>> I am thinking of one way to attract and excite more users and >>>>> developers who will help us build this project. >>>>> >>>>> A Blog. A development journal. A place that'll make all work done on >>>>> LMMS visible to everyone. >>>>> >>>>> We need to show that we're here, show that many great artists use >>>>> this, find them, make music contests, make remix parties, make weekly >>>>> musical challenges, make an official video channel with tips and features >>>>> explained, with videoblog updates every two weeks, put together a 3-minute >>>>> demo video and place it on the front page, make an album of the year >>>>> contest, make a track of the month contest, make every release >>>>> pre-announced and announced with excitement and passion letting everyone >>>>> say "I like it!", make a fundraising campaign, go to Google Summer of Code, >>>>> go to Kickstarter, start interviewing developers and users, start a LMMS >>>>> podcast, make LMMS conferences, festivals, radio stations, stop being >>>>> afraid, stop sitting in the shadow, stop being shy!! >>>>> >>>>> Now, I know this is a bit over-the-top, but hey - possibilities are >>>>> endless, all of what I said is possible. We just need to follow a good >>>>> plan, see our goals, and we'll make it. >>>>> >>>>> There's so much we can do, so many people who are waiting to hear >>>>> about us, who will help us - there are so much creative and capable people >>>>> out here - in this community. *Let's wake up!* >>>>> >>>>> - unfa >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. >>>>> Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For >>>>> Critical Workloads, Development Environments & Everything In Between. >>>>> Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. >>>>> >>>>> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> LMMS-devel mailing list >>>>> LMM...@li... >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tobiasz *unfa* >>> >>> -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- >>> Version: 3.1 >>> GIT/MU/P d->-- s+:-(--)> a? C++(+++)>$ ULC+(++)>$ !P? L+++>++++$ E? >>> W++>$ !N-? !o--? K-? !w-- O? !M-- V? PS++ PE++ !Y+ !PGP+? !t(+) 5? !X !R+ >>> tv b+>+++ DI>+ D+ G e h-->- !r y--() >>> ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. >>> Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For >>> Critical Workloads, Development Environments & Everything In Between. >>> Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. >>> >>> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk >>> _______________________________________________ >>> LMMS-devel mailing list >>> LMM...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Jonathan Aquilina >> > > > > -- > Tobiasz *unfa* > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version: 3.1 > GIT/MU/P d->-- s+:-(--)> a? C++(+++)>$ ULC+(++)>$ !P? L+++>++++$ E? W++>$ > !N-? !o--? K-? !w-- O? !M-- V? PS++ PE++ !Y+ !PGP+? !t(+) 5? !X !R+ tv > b+>+++ DI>+ D+ G e h-->- !r y--() > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. > Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For > Critical Workloads, Development Environments & Everything In Between. > Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. > > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > _______________________________________________ > Lmms-users mailing list > Lmm...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-users > > |
From: <gia...@ho...> - 2014-01-09 20:23:31
|
Hi, I want to share my thoughts with you about the name of the program. When I started using LMMS, I read the name as this: Linux -> related to a community of "open-source program users", so the program is free but made with effort Multi-Media -> actually it is a DAW, so I didn't really understand why is it "multi-media" Studio -> no real meaning imo, but gives coolness to the program! I think that "Linux" should be changed to something that still links the program to the "open-source community" (the simplest example is the adjective "Open"); then rather that "multi-media" I would use something more specific to music making. The first name I came up with is "OpenTracks", or "OpenTracks Studio" if you prefer, which is again more interesting. The acronym would be "OTS", which is simpler in English and I think also less funny in other languages (I'm Italian, and in Italian "LMMS" is very funny) I hope my English is not so bad. I'd really like to contribute to this topic. ~DeRobyJ |
From: Jack H. <tet...@gm...> - 2014-01-09 21:14:46
|
Open track studio... has a nice ring to it, also "ots" is easier to pronounce as opposed to 'lmms' On 1/9/14, gia...@ho... <gia...@ho...> wrote: > Hi, > I want to share my thoughts with you about the name of the program. > > When I started using LMMS, I read the name as this: > Linux -> related to a community of "open-source program users", so the > program is free but made with effort > Multi-Media -> actually it is a DAW, so I didn't really understand why > is it "multi-media" > Studio -> no real meaning imo, but gives coolness to the program! > > I think that "Linux" should be changed to something that still links the > program to the "open-source community" (the simplest example is the > adjective "Open"); then rather that "multi-media" I would use something > more specific to music making. > > The first name I came up with is "OpenTracks", or "OpenTracks Studio" if > you prefer, which is again more interesting. > The acronym would be "OTS", which is simpler in English and I think also > less funny in other languages (I'm Italian, and in Italian "LMMS" is > very funny) > > > I hope my English is not so bad. I'd really like to contribute to this > topic. > > ~DeRobyJ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. > Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For > Critical Workloads, Development Environments & Everything In Between. > Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > _______________________________________________ > Lmms-users mailing list > Lmm...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-users > |
From: Tobias D. <tob...@gm...> - 2014-01-09 21:33:27
|
Hi, thank you all for your helpful and diverse input! I also agree with most of what has been said. Even though I do have time to contribute to LMMS I do not have the time for being the only primary developer, which has been a severe problem in the past. It's true that the Git repositories on Sourceforge are not very visible and thus it's hard to attract new developers, so I'd prefer the Github solution as well. To make an immediate start, I just created a development space on github.com/lmms with a repository at github.com/lmms/lmms (currently uploading branches). Hopefully this will ease collaborative development alot and allow easy management of pull requests. I'm willing to continue managing development on Github however I'd vote for choosing someone else as project manager who does not only coordinate development but all the aspects that were mentioned in this thread. Nevertheless this will not solve problems with patches which we simply can't accept due to the code quality. I know that much of the historically grown code is a mess too, but many patches in the past did not even meet basic coding style guidelines ( http://lmms.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Guidelines_on_coding_style) and often the visual integration into the existing UI has not been satisfying. So what we definitely need is a team of UI designers! Another oberservation I recently made: rolling-releases are the only way to go. When we started the stable 0.4 series we branched off the master branch and basically overloaded it with new features and massive changes leading to a completely diverged source code base. Thus bug fixes to the stable-0.4 series began to be lost in the master branch. Today the master branch is a mess and IMHO it's not suitable for stabilization anymore. I therefore recently started to pick all the goodies from it and backport it to different branches based on the 0.4 series (done so far: improved undo/redo support, new FX mixer with sends etc.). This way we can stabilize features individually and merge them little by little into continuous releases. For the next release it's probably a good idea to stabilize what has been integrated recently. The release afterwards should integrate the improved undo/redo support, the new logo (I think proposal 2 in the discussion one year ago got the most votes) and maybe already the new FX mixer. I also like the proposal to rename SongEditor to Sequencer and B+B-Editor to "Pattern Editor". We need terminology consistency in other places as well (e.g. "tacts" -> "bars"). What I'm planning to backport in the future (as it once has been developed by me): - new settings dialog - Resources framework for locality-independent usage of resources (audio files, project files, presets, ...) - welcome screen - new ProjectRenderer To be taken care of soon: - new UI concepts for abandoning most of the MDI stuff by making central components have a fixed place with easy collapsing possibilities About communication: for development purposes, I still prefer mailing lists over forums or similiar as management of messages etc. is much easier. As soon as the new development on Github is gaining momentum, certainly much of the communication will happen on this platform directly. As for the name I'd stick with LMMS as well but get rid of "Linux MultiMedia Studio". However I'd leave a final decision up to a new project manager and/or an extensive survey. One more thought: IMHO we never claimed LMMS to be a real professional DAW. We aim at hobby and semi-professional users. We surely can satisfy their needs if LMMS development gains new momentum this year. So far.. Toby |
From: Devin V. <ven...@gm...> - 2014-01-09 21:43:55
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Thanks Tobias! The move to github will be a real boost for new development. Great move! Devin On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Tobias Doerffel <tob...@gm...>wrote: > Hi, > > thank you all for your helpful and diverse input! I also agree with most > of what has been said. Even though I do have time to contribute to LMMS I > do not have the time for being the only primary developer, which has been a > severe problem in the past. It's true that the Git repositories on > Sourceforge are not very visible and thus it's hard to attract new > developers, so I'd prefer the Github solution as well. To make an immediate > start, I just created a development space on github.com/lmms with a > repository at github.com/lmms/lmms (currently uploading branches). > Hopefully this will ease collaborative development alot and allow easy > management of pull requests. I'm willing to continue managing development > on Github however I'd vote for choosing someone else as project manager who > does not only coordinate development but all the aspects that were > mentioned in this thread. > > Nevertheless this will not solve problems with patches which we simply > can't accept due to the code quality. I know that much of the historically > grown code is a mess too, but many patches in the past did not even meet > basic coding style guidelines ( > http://lmms.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Guidelines_on_coding_style) > and often the visual integration into the existing UI has not been > satisfying. So what we definitely need is a team of UI designers! > > Another oberservation I recently made: rolling-releases are the only way > to go. When we started the stable 0.4 series we branched off the master > branch and basically overloaded it with new features and massive changes > leading to a completely diverged source code base. Thus bug fixes to the > stable-0.4 series began to be lost in the master branch. Today the master > branch is a mess and IMHO it's not suitable for stabilization anymore. I > therefore recently started to pick all the goodies from it and backport it > to different branches based on the 0.4 series (done so far: improved > undo/redo support, new FX mixer with sends etc.). This way we can stabilize > features individually and merge them little by little into continuous > releases. For the next release it's probably a good idea to stabilize what > has been integrated recently. The release afterwards should integrate the > improved undo/redo support, the new logo (I think proposal 2 in the > discussion one year ago got the most votes) and maybe already the new FX > mixer. I also like the proposal to rename SongEditor to Sequencer and > B+B-Editor to "Pattern Editor". We need terminology consistency in other > places as well (e.g. "tacts" -> "bars"). > > What I'm planning to backport in the future (as it once has been developed > by me): > > - new settings dialog > - Resources framework for locality-independent usage of resources (audio > files, project files, presets, ...) > - welcome screen > - new ProjectRenderer > > To be taken care of soon: > - new UI concepts for abandoning most of the MDI stuff by making central > components have a fixed place with easy collapsing possibilities > > About communication: for development purposes, I still prefer mailing > lists over forums or similiar as management of messages etc. is much > easier. As soon as the new development on Github is gaining momentum, > certainly much of the communication will happen on this platform directly. > > As for the name I'd stick with LMMS as well but get rid of "Linux > MultiMedia Studio". However I'd leave a final decision up to a new project > manager and/or an extensive survey. > > One more thought: IMHO we never claimed LMMS to be a real professional > DAW. We aim at hobby and semi-professional users. We surely can satisfy > their needs if LMMS development gains new momentum this year. > > So far.. > > Toby > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. > Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For > Critical Workloads, Development Environments & Everything In Between. > Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. > > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > _______________________________________________ > LMMS-devel mailing list > LMM...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel > > |
From: Jonathan A. <eag...@gm...> - 2014-01-09 22:23:45
|
Toby have you considered making the master git repo based off the 0.4.x branch? On 9 Jan 2014 22:44, "Devin Venable" <ven...@gm...> wrote: > Thanks Tobias! The move to github will be a real boost for new > development. > > Great move! > > Devin > > > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Tobias Doerffel <tob...@gm... > > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> thank you all for your helpful and diverse input! I also agree with most >> of what has been said. Even though I do have time to contribute to LMMS I >> do not have the time for being the only primary developer, which has been a >> severe problem in the past. It's true that the Git repositories on >> Sourceforge are not very visible and thus it's hard to attract new >> developers, so I'd prefer the Github solution as well. To make an immediate >> start, I just created a development space on github.com/lmms with a >> repository at github.com/lmms/lmms (currently uploading branches). >> Hopefully this will ease collaborative development alot and allow easy >> management of pull requests. I'm willing to continue managing development >> on Github however I'd vote for choosing someone else as project manager who >> does not only coordinate development but all the aspects that were >> mentioned in this thread. >> >> Nevertheless this will not solve problems with patches which we simply >> can't accept due to the code quality. I know that much of the historically >> grown code is a mess too, but many patches in the past did not even meet >> basic coding style guidelines ( >> http://lmms.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Guidelines_on_coding_style) >> and often the visual integration into the existing UI has not been >> satisfying. So what we definitely need is a team of UI designers! >> >> Another oberservation I recently made: rolling-releases are the only way >> to go. When we started the stable 0.4 series we branched off the master >> branch and basically overloaded it with new features and massive changes >> leading to a completely diverged source code base. Thus bug fixes to the >> stable-0.4 series began to be lost in the master branch. Today the master >> branch is a mess and IMHO it's not suitable for stabilization anymore. I >> therefore recently started to pick all the goodies from it and backport it >> to different branches based on the 0.4 series (done so far: improved >> undo/redo support, new FX mixer with sends etc.). This way we can stabilize >> features individually and merge them little by little into continuous >> releases. For the next release it's probably a good idea to stabilize what >> has been integrated recently. The release afterwards should integrate the >> improved undo/redo support, the new logo (I think proposal 2 in the >> discussion one year ago got the most votes) and maybe already the new FX >> mixer. I also like the proposal to rename SongEditor to Sequencer and >> B+B-Editor to "Pattern Editor". We need terminology consistency in other >> places as well (e.g. "tacts" -> "bars"). >> >> What I'm planning to backport in the future (as it once has been >> developed by me): >> >> - new settings dialog >> - Resources framework for locality-independent usage of resources (audio >> files, project files, presets, ...) >> - welcome screen >> - new ProjectRenderer >> >> To be taken care of soon: >> - new UI concepts for abandoning most of the MDI stuff by making central >> components have a fixed place with easy collapsing possibilities >> >> About communication: for development purposes, I still prefer mailing >> lists over forums or similiar as management of messages etc. is much >> easier. As soon as the new development on Github is gaining momentum, >> certainly much of the communication will happen on this platform directly. >> >> As for the name I'd stick with LMMS as well but get rid of "Linux >> MultiMedia Studio". However I'd leave a final decision up to a new project >> manager and/or an extensive survey. >> >> One more thought: IMHO we never claimed LMMS to be a real professional >> DAW. We aim at hobby and semi-professional users. We surely can satisfy >> their needs if LMMS development gains new momentum this year. >> >> So far.. >> >> Toby >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. >> Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For >> Critical Workloads, Development Environments & Everything In Between. >> Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. >> >> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk >> _______________________________________________ >> LMMS-devel mailing list >> LMM...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. > Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For > Critical Workloads, Development Environments & Everything In Between. > Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. > > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > _______________________________________________ > LMMS-devel mailing list > LMM...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel > > |
From: Nathan M. <nat...@gm...> - 2014-01-09 22:09:00
|
I was thinking for a while it would be nice to get an event setup where developers could get together and work on the many features that need to get implemented. I am a developer but every time i have spare time and i start looking at the lmms code, i find it a daunting task, considering the codebase is quite large. If a weekend of lmms development could be organised, the combined forces and expertise of the devs could be put together to achieve a really great end product for the community! The only problem is location, i live in the uk, so it would be relatively easy for me to meet up with other devs in europe. Where do you other devs live? Would you be interested in setting up such and event? Maybe we can use kickstart to fund just such an event? Thoughts? On Thursday, 9 January 2014, gia...@ho... wrote: > Hi, > I want to share my thoughts with you about the name of the program. > > When I started using LMMS, I read the name as this: > Linux -> related to a community of "open-source program users", so the > program is free but made with effort > Multi-Media -> actually it is a DAW, so I didn't really understand why > is it "multi-media" > Studio -> no real meaning imo, but gives coolness to the program! > > I think that "Linux" should be changed to something that still links the > program to the "open-source community" (the simplest example is the > adjective "Open"); then rather that "multi-media" I would use something > more specific to music making. > > The first name I came up with is "OpenTracks", or "OpenTracks Studio" if > you prefer, which is again more interesting. > The acronym would be "OTS", which is simpler in English and I think also > less funny in other languages (I'm Italian, and in Italian "LMMS" is > very funny) > > > I hope my English is not so bad. I'd really like to contribute to this > topic. > > ~DeRobyJ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. > Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For > Critical Workloads, Development Environments & Everything In Between. > Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. > > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > _______________________________________________ > LMMS-devel mailing list > LMM...@li... <javascript:;> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel > |
From: Jonathan A. <eag...@gm...> - 2014-01-10 12:28:54
|
I think the problem is travel for most. I think first thing we need to do is get ourselves sorted with github and the bug tracker and then organize sprints online where we meet on irc and if need be use google hangouts or skype or something of the sort to call other devs if people are willing to give out their details. On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Nathan McCoy <nat...@gm...> wrote: > I was thinking for a while it would be nice to get an event setup where > developers could get together and work on the many features that need to > get implemented. > > I am a developer but every time i have spare time and i start looking at > the lmms code, i find it a daunting task, considering the codebase is > quite large. > > If a weekend of lmms development could be organised, the combined forces > and expertise of the devs could be put together to achieve a really great > end product for the community! > > The only problem is location, i live in the uk, so it would be relatively > easy for me to meet up with other devs in europe. > > Where do you other devs live? > Would you be interested in setting up such and event? > Maybe we can use kickstart to fund just such an event? > > Thoughts? > > On Thursday, 9 January 2014, gia...@ho... wrote: > >> Hi, >> I want to share my thoughts with you about the name of the program. >> >> When I started using LMMS, I read the name as this: >> Linux -> related to a community of "open-source program users", so the >> program is free but made with effort >> Multi-Media -> actually it is a DAW, so I didn't really understand why >> is it "multi-media" >> Studio -> no real meaning imo, but gives coolness to the program! >> >> I think that "Linux" should be changed to something that still links the >> program to the "open-source community" (the simplest example is the >> adjective "Open"); then rather that "multi-media" I would use something >> more specific to music making. >> >> The first name I came up with is "OpenTracks", or "OpenTracks Studio" if >> you prefer, which is again more interesting. >> The acronym would be "OTS", which is simpler in English and I think also >> less funny in other languages (I'm Italian, and in Italian "LMMS" is >> very funny) >> >> >> I hope my English is not so bad. I'd really like to contribute to this >> topic. >> >> ~DeRobyJ >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. >> Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For >> Critical Workloads, Development Environments & Everything In Between. >> Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. >> >> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk >> _______________________________________________ >> LMMS-devel mailing list >> LMM...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. > Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For > Critical Workloads, Development Environments & Everything In Between. > Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. > > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > _______________________________________________ > Lmms-users mailing list > Lmm...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-users > > -- Jonathan Aquilina |
From: Tobiasz K. <un...@gm...> - 2014-01-10 13:35:31
|
I've contacted a friend of mine who runs a non-profit organisation. He's excited about this but want to make sure he's capable of helping us out. He has helped me put out my last album and live show with it. He knows what LMMS is and how important it is to me. I'll pass on any new information when it appears. I've sent him a copy of this thread to read. On 10 Jan 2014 13:29, "Jonathan Aquilina" <eag...@gm...> wrote: > I think the problem is travel for most. I think first thing we need to do > is get ourselves sorted with github and the bug tracker and then organize > sprints online where we meet on irc and if need be use google hangouts or > skype or something of the sort to call other devs if people are willing to > give out their details. > > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Nathan McCoy <nat...@gm...> wrote: > >> I was thinking for a while it would be nice to get an event setup where >> developers could get together and work on the many features that need to >> get implemented. >> >> I am a developer but every time i have spare time and i start looking at >> the lmms code, i find it a daunting task, considering the codebase is >> quite large. >> >> If a weekend of lmms development could be organised, the combined forces >> and expertise of the devs could be put together to achieve a really great >> end product for the community! >> >> The only problem is location, i live in the uk, so it would be relatively >> easy for me to meet up with other devs in europe. >> >> Where do you other devs live? >> Would you be interested in setting up such and event? >> Maybe we can use kickstart to fund just such an event? >> >> Thoughts? >> >> On Thursday, 9 January 2014, gia...@ho... wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> I want to share my thoughts with you about the name of the program. >>> >>> When I started using LMMS, I read the name as this: >>> Linux -> related to a community of "open-source program users", so the >>> program is free but made with effort >>> Multi-Media -> actually it is a DAW, so I didn't really understand why >>> is it "multi-media" >>> Studio -> no real meaning imo, but gives coolness to the program! >>> >>> I think that "Linux" should be changed to something that still links the >>> program to the "open-source community" (the simplest example is the >>> adjective "Open"); then rather that "multi-media" I would use something >>> more specific to music making. >>> >>> The first name I came up with is "OpenTracks", or "OpenTracks Studio" if >>> you prefer, which is again more interesting. >>> The acronym would be "OTS", which is simpler in English and I think also >>> less funny in other languages (I'm Italian, and in Italian "LMMS" is >>> very funny) >>> >>> >>> I hope my English is not so bad. I'd really like to contribute to this >>> topic. >>> >>> ~DeRobyJ >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. >>> Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For >>> Critical Workloads, Development Environments & Everything In Between. >>> Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. >>> >>> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk >>> _______________________________________________ >>> LMMS-devel mailing list >>> LMM...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. >> Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For >> Critical Workloads, Development Environments & Everything In Between. >> Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. >> >> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk >> _______________________________________________ >> Lmms-users mailing list >> Lmm...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-users >> >> > > > -- > Jonathan Aquilina > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. > Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For > Critical Workloads, Development Environments & Everything In Between. > Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. > > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > _______________________________________________ > LMMS-devel mailing list > LMM...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel > > |