From: Stian J. <sti...@gm...> - 2014-12-06 19:46:18
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> > But it may not be able to produce music of certain types. > > For example, within the Western music, LMMS cannot create Jazz and Blues >> music because they use blues notes, > > which cannot be produced by the Piano Roll Editor. > > Page 151, Section about World Music. Wow I didn't know about *blue notes*, not blues notes cause that would be the regular "western ones". Except for them, LMMS is capable of playing blues. In the subsection Limitations of Percussion > So this is another area where you may feel that LMMS is unable to match > the demands of your music. > Yeah, it may feel limiting, but I just realized (the last time I wrote to you) why you can place drum notes in the Song Editor when you have zoomed in 800% or more. It is because you then just as easily as in the B&B Editor can make drums in the Song Editor! So it could be debatable how limiting it is. Also some artists tend to write their drums as notes. https://lmms.io/lsp/?action=show&file=5116 I don't know if the Limitation of Percussion is meant to only describe limitations, and then you describe alternatives in Alternatives to Limitation of Percussion :) or if you just could add that it is easy to make drums in the Song Editor too. -- Hilsen Stian Jørgensrud |
From: Tres F. <tre...@gm...> - 2014-12-06 21:45:57
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We haven't discussed this yet, but Raindrops, would you be willing to offer the current manual to our project in source form (i.e. OpenOffice, MS Word, etc?) Having the "source" for this manual would ensure we have the ability to maintain your hard work in the event you leave the project. -Tres - Tre...@gm... On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Stian Jørgensrud <sti...@gm...> wrote: > But it may not be able to produce music of certain types. >> >> For example, within the Western music, LMMS cannot create Jazz and Blues >>> music because they use blues notes, >> >> which cannot be produced by the Piano Roll Editor. >> >> > Page 151, Section about World Music. > Wow I didn't know about *blue notes*, not blues notes cause that would be > the regular "western ones". Except for them, LMMS is capable of playing > blues. > > In the subsection Limitations of Percussion > >> So this is another area where you may feel that LMMS is unable to match >> the demands of your music. >> > > Yeah, it may feel limiting, but I just realized (the last time I wrote to > you) why you can place drum notes in the Song Editor when you have zoomed > in 800% or more. It is because you then just as easily as in the B&B Editor > can make drums in the Song Editor! So it could be debatable how limiting it > is. Also some artists tend to write their drums as notes. > https://lmms.io/lsp/?action=show&file=5116 > > I don't know if the Limitation of Percussion is meant to only describe > limitations, and then you describe alternatives in Alternatives to > Limitation of Percussion :) or if you just could add that it is easy to > make drums in the Song Editor too. > > -- > Hilsen > Stian Jørgensrud > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server > from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards > with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration & more > Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE > > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > _______________________________________________ > Lmms-users mailing list > Lmm...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-users > > |
From: Raindrops F. S. <rai...@gm...> - 2014-12-08 06:27:45
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*Hi Stian,* *@Piano Editor as BB Editor* Interesting point, Stian! I will definitely include this "workaround". *@Blue notes ("Worried notes"):* I have raised this issue in a separate post. When I posted the first mail, I thought that a neat workaround existed. But then I realized that it is not possible because of a limitation in the LMMS design, and posted a follow-up message almost immediately. To sum up, IMHO the present design of LMMS does not allow us to create the blue notes that are so essential to the Blues/Jazz. Regards, Narayan On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 3:15 AM, Tres Finocchiaro <tre...@gm... > wrote: > We haven't discussed this yet, but Raindrops, would you be willing to > offer the current manual to our project in source form (i.e. OpenOffice, MS > Word, etc?) Having the "source" for this manual would ensure we have the > ability to maintain your hard work in the event you leave the project. > > -Tres > > - Tre...@gm... > > On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Stian Jørgensrud <sti...@gm...> > wrote: > >> But it may not be able to produce music of certain types. >>> >>> For example, within the Western music, LMMS cannot create Jazz and Blues >>>> music because they use blues notes, >>> >>> which cannot be produced by the Piano Roll Editor. >>> >>> >> Page 151, Section about World Music. >> Wow I didn't know about *blue notes*, not blues notes cause that would >> be the regular "western ones". Except for them, LMMS is capable of playing >> blues. >> >> In the subsection Limitations of Percussion >> >>> So this is another area where you may feel that LMMS is unable to match >>> the demands of your music. >>> >> >> Yeah, it may feel limiting, but I just realized (the last time I wrote to >> you) why you can place drum notes in the Song Editor when you have zoomed >> in 800% or more. It is because you then just as easily as in the B&B Editor >> can make drums in the Song Editor! So it could be debatable how limiting it >> is. Also some artists tend to write their drums as notes. >> https://lmms.io/lsp/?action=show&file=5116 >> >> I don't know if the Limitation of Percussion is meant to only describe >> limitations, and then you describe alternatives in Alternatives to >> Limitation of Percussion :) or if you just could add that it is easy to >> make drums in the Song Editor too. >> >> -- >> Hilsen >> Stian Jørgensrud >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server >> from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards >> with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration & more >> Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE >> >> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk >> _______________________________________________ >> Lmms-users mailing list >> Lmm...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-users >> >> > |
From: Raindrops F. S. <rai...@gm...> - 2014-12-08 06:32:12
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Hi Tres, I provide long-term support for all my manuals. so far I have written 10+ manuals for different projects. Some of them are almost 10 years old. In fact, I keep updating these manuals as I find time, and that's why I don't share the source (because it would be outdated.) But if someone wants the source for translating, I can provide the source. In fact, I have already done that for the German version of LMMS manual. I will make this more specific in the manual itself, so that more translators can get inspired. Cheers! Narayan On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 3:15 AM, Tres Finocchiaro <tre...@gm... > wrote: > We haven't discussed this yet, but Raindrops, would you be willing to > offer the current manual to our project in source form (i.e. OpenOffice, MS > Word, etc?) Having the "source" for this manual would ensure we have the > ability to maintain your hard work in the event you leave the project. > > -Tres > > - Tre...@gm... > > On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Stian Jørgensrud <sti...@gm...> > wrote: > >> But it may not be able to produce music of certain types. >>> >>> For example, within the Western music, LMMS cannot create Jazz and Blues >>>> music because they use blues notes, >>> >>> which cannot be produced by the Piano Roll Editor. >>> >>> >> Page 151, Section about World Music. >> Wow I didn't know about *blue notes*, not blues notes cause that would >> be the regular "western ones". Except for them, LMMS is capable of playing >> blues. >> >> In the subsection Limitations of Percussion >> >>> So this is another area where you may feel that LMMS is unable to match >>> the demands of your music. >>> >> >> Yeah, it may feel limiting, but I just realized (the last time I wrote to >> you) why you can place drum notes in the Song Editor when you have zoomed >> in 800% or more. It is because you then just as easily as in the B&B Editor >> can make drums in the Song Editor! So it could be debatable how limiting it >> is. Also some artists tend to write their drums as notes. >> https://lmms.io/lsp/?action=show&file=5116 >> >> I don't know if the Limitation of Percussion is meant to only describe >> limitations, and then you describe alternatives in Alternatives to >> Limitation of Percussion :) or if you just could add that it is easy to >> make drums in the Song Editor too. >> >> -- >> Hilsen >> Stian Jørgensrud >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server >> from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards >> with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration & more >> Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE >> >> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk >> _______________________________________________ >> Lmms-users mailing list >> Lmm...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-users >> >> > |
From: Tres F. <tre...@gm...> - 2014-12-08 12:41:17
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@Narayan, It is your right to keep any creative works you have created (and to provide the publication and sources under a license you deem appropriate), so I don't want to sound pushy, however, we do a great job of keeping all other creative sources which the project relies on (at least those resources we have sources for) backed up into an online repository which gives the project the security of knowing the source will outlive the creator. So it's less a matter of **who** will support the manual moving forward, but more of an **if** it is no longer maintained, and when it comes to a project the and magnitude of ours, that often means **when** it is no longer maintained. But there are some other benefits to this approach as well... As our wiki maintainers find issues with either the online or PDF version of our documentation, we can track it in our tracker (either open a ticket, or use the comments/highlight feature on the source document). Furthermore, GitHub has version control -- albeit not tailored for publishing -- can revert to an earlier state of a document if needed. On a personal note -- as one of the technical reviewers of the Packt book and author of 500+ technical documents -- I can reassure you that very few people edit documents they haven't created themselves, but there are some benefits in committing the source of your work upstream, so I wanted to leave you with at least these thoughts (i.e. no pressure, just sharing some thoughts) - Tre...@gm... On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 1:32 AM, Raindrops From Sky < rai...@gm...> wrote: > Hi Tres, > > I provide long-term support for all my manuals. > > so far I have written 10+ manuals for different projects. Some of them are > almost 10 years old. > In fact, I keep updating these manuals as I find time, and that's why I > don't share the source (because it would be outdated.) > > But if someone wants the source for translating, I can provide the source. > In fact, I have already done that for the German version of LMMS manual. > > I will make this more specific in the manual itself, so that more > translators can get inspired. > > Cheers! > Narayan > > > > On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 3:15 AM, Tres Finocchiaro < > tre...@gm...> wrote: > >> We haven't discussed this yet, but Raindrops, would you be willing to >> offer the current manual to our project in source form (i.e. OpenOffice, MS >> Word, etc?) Having the "source" for this manual would ensure we have the >> ability to maintain your hard work in the event you leave the project. >> >> -Tres >> >> - Tre...@gm... >> >> On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Stian Jørgensrud <sti...@gm...> >> wrote: >> >>> But it may not be able to produce music of certain types. >>>> >>>> For example, within the Western music, LMMS cannot create Jazz and >>>>> Blues music because they use blues notes, >>>> >>>> which cannot be produced by the Piano Roll Editor. >>>> >>>> >>> Page 151, Section about World Music. >>> Wow I didn't know about *blue notes*, not blues notes cause that would >>> be the regular "western ones". Except for them, LMMS is capable of playing >>> blues. >>> >>> In the subsection Limitations of Percussion >>> >>>> So this is another area where you may feel that LMMS is unable to match >>>> the demands of your music. >>>> >>> >>> Yeah, it may feel limiting, but I just realized (the last time I wrote >>> to you) why you can place drum notes in the Song Editor when you have >>> zoomed in 800% or more. It is because you then just as easily as in the B&B >>> Editor can make drums in the Song Editor! So it could be debatable how >>> limiting it is. Also some artists tend to write their drums as notes. >>> https://lmms.io/lsp/?action=show&file=5116 >>> >>> I don't know if the Limitation of Percussion is meant to only describe >>> limitations, and then you describe alternatives in Alternatives to >>> Limitation of Percussion :) or if you just could add that it is easy to >>> make drums in the Song Editor too. >>> >>> -- >>> Hilsen >>> Stian Jørgensrud >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server >>> from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards >>> with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration & more >>> Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE >>> >>> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Lmms-users mailing list >>> Lmm...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-users >>> >>> >> > |
From: Raindrops F. S. <rai...@gm...> - 2014-12-08 12:49:52
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Tres, Yes I do agree that keeping the sources in a repository has these advantages. How do I place my source docs in repository? Could you please point to the process? Thanks in advance! Regards Narayan On Mon, 8 Dec 2014 18:11 Tres Finocchiaro <tre...@gm...> wrote: > @Narayan, > > It is your right to keep any creative works you have created (and to > provide the publication and sources under a license you deem appropriate), > so I don't want to sound pushy, however, we do a great job of keeping all > other creative sources which the project relies on (at least those > resources we have sources for) backed up into an online repository which > gives the project the security of knowing the source will outlive the > creator. > > So it's less a matter of **who** will support the manual moving forward, > but more of an **if** it is no longer maintained, and when it comes to a > project the and magnitude of ours, that often means **when** it is no > longer maintained. > > But there are some other benefits to this approach as well... As our wiki > maintainers find issues with either the online or PDF version of our > documentation, we can track it in our tracker (either open a ticket, or use > the comments/highlight feature on the source document). Furthermore, > GitHub has version control -- albeit not tailored for publishing -- can > revert to an earlier state of a document if needed. > > On a personal note -- as one of the technical reviewers of the Packt book > and author of 500+ technical documents -- I can reassure you that very few > people edit documents they haven't created themselves, but there are some > benefits in committing the source of your work upstream, so I wanted to > leave you with at least these thoughts (i.e. no pressure, just sharing some > thoughts) > > - Tre...@gm... > > On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 1:32 AM, Raindrops From Sky < > rai...@gm...> wrote: > >> Hi Tres, >> >> I provide long-term support for all my manuals. >> >> so far I have written 10+ manuals for different projects. Some of them >> are almost 10 years old. >> In fact, I keep updating these manuals as I find time, and that's why I >> don't share the source (because it would be outdated.) >> >> But if someone wants the source for translating, I can provide the source. >> In fact, I have already done that for the German version of LMMS manual. >> >> I will make this more specific in the manual itself, so that more >> translators can get inspired. >> >> Cheers! >> Narayan >> >> >> >> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 3:15 AM, Tres Finocchiaro < >> tre...@gm...> wrote: >> >>> We haven't discussed this yet, but Raindrops, would you be willing to >>> offer the current manual to our project in source form (i.e. OpenOffice, MS >>> Word, etc?) Having the "source" for this manual would ensure we have the >>> ability to maintain your hard work in the event you leave the project. >>> >>> -Tres >>> >>> - Tre...@gm... >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Stian Jørgensrud <sti...@gm...> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> But it may not be able to produce music of certain types. >>>>> >>>>> For example, within the Western music, LMMS cannot create Jazz and >>>>>> Blues music because they use blues notes, >>>>> >>>>> which cannot be produced by the Piano Roll Editor. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Page 151, Section about World Music. >>>> Wow I didn't know about *blue notes*, not blues notes cause that would >>>> be the regular "western ones". Except for them, LMMS is capable of playing >>>> blues. >>>> >>>> In the subsection Limitations of Percussion >>>> >>>>> So this is another area where you may feel that LMMS is unable to >>>>> match the demands of your music. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Yeah, it may feel limiting, but I just realized (the last time I wrote >>>> to you) why you can place drum notes in the Song Editor when you have >>>> zoomed in 800% or more. It is because you then just as easily as in the B&B >>>> Editor can make drums in the Song Editor! So it could be debatable how >>>> limiting it is. Also some artists tend to write their drums as notes. >>>> https://lmms.io/lsp/?action=show&file=5116 >>>> >>>> I don't know if the Limitation of Percussion is meant to only describe >>>> limitations, and then you describe alternatives in Alternatives to >>>> Limitation of Percussion :) or if you just could add that it is easy to >>>> make drums in the Song Editor too. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Hilsen >>>> Stian Jørgensrud >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server >>>> from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards >>>> with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration & >>>> more >>>> Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE >>>> >>>> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Lmms-users mailing list >>>> Lmm...@li... >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-users >>>> >>>> >>> >> > |
From: Tres F. <tre...@gm...> - 2014-12-08 12:59:29
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On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Raindrops From Sky < rai...@gm...> wrote: > Tres, > > Yes I do agree that keeping the sources in a repository has these > advantages. > > How do I place my source docs in repository? Could you please point to the > process? > Fantastic question. I would tend to lean towards placing it into the lmms.io source on GitHub. The Wiki and our tracker for it resides there and having this document in own dedicated repo is probably overkill at this point. For starters, you should create a GitHub account. I've already created a bug report here which you can feel free to comment on: https://github.com/LMMS/lmms.io/issues/117 I've tagged a few others as well. :) If we go this route, we'd check it into the source code of the website in a place we all deem appropriate. |