On 03/03/2014 04:34 PM, Tres
agent spoofing is common enough that we should take it in
I'd like to see some evidence in support of this claim. UA
spoofing generally requires a 3rd party add-on installed in the
browser. It may be common for a handful of our developers, but
our developers aren't necessarily using our home page to
download the software, so the argument is still invalid.
UA spoofing is used widely enough in the Linux community. What do
you want, a survey? I'm not aware of any such survey being
conducted... There are tons of tutorials all over the web describing
how to spoof UA. There's now been what, 3 people posting in this
thread only who've stated they do UA spoofing, and I'm not even sure
if all of them actually are developers (at least not currently
UA spoofing is used as a security measure, and we certainly should
not be making usage of internet any harder for people who care about
security. We should not legitimize any practice that depends on
users compromising on their security or privacy to function.
been a lot of mentality lately
to try to somehow shove the "Linux" part under the carpet,
kind of fear of alienating windows users. I don't really
know what to make
of that. I think part of the problem is that many windows
users just see
LMMS as a "free replacement for FL studio"
This claim is preposterous.
You could make the same claim that people choose Ubuntu a
free replacement for Windows or OSX. You have NO RIGHT
judging the motives of people's ability to choose. You have
no right making broad claims about the LMMS community's
motives for involvement based on platform. Furthermore, you
do not know the lengths Stian, unfa, Uros have gone to
increase involvement. These type of words, such as "shove
linux under the carpet" and "many windows users" are the
very seeds in which plant discriminatory dialog. Let's not
take this dialog any further in this thread.
There's nothing "discriminatory" about this. Being a "windows user"
is a self-inflicted condition, it's not like something you're born
with and can't help being.
It's simply a statistical fact that the average windows user brings
less to the table of an average free software project, than the
average Linux (or Mac) user does. Part of this is due to different
software culture and expectations of the users. I'm sure once some
commercial Linux distro achieves real mainstream popularity (Tizen,
maybe..) this situation will be different. But right now, it isn't,
and it's not going to change by denying it.
And yes, I'm sure that many people DO choose Ubuntu purely because
it's free, and see it as a "free windows" or "free mac os". In fact
I've seen it in practice... And that's fine really. We can't control
what people think - if users want to consider LMMS a "free FL
studio", then they're going to and we can't change that, but we
shouldn't **encourage** that kind of attitude.
I think we have a pretty solid divide between a fundamental
I've seen Johnathan recommend Bootstrap many times talking
(and I'm not sure who decides this) then it should be
The #1 rule to decide whether a site makes use of
representing the vast majority of our site visitors and say
to the fact that the Facebook page doesn't work well without
hit some brick walls.
use it - when you actually need it for some functionality. When it's
just there to facilitate a flashy gimmick, I don't see the point.
the front page, read the news, look at screenshots and download
As for the OS guessing, I already presented a perfectly viable
suggestion, which I'll recap here:
other packages after it. No extra link or button, display all at
once, but display the guessed OS first, maybe a bit separated from
the rest for emphasis.
OS (or the OS is in the "other" category), just display all of the