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From: Andrew C <cou...@gm...> - 2017-05-21 11:22:57
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I cannot load the Eb Clarinet long notes giga file from Westgate Studios into Linuxsampler. I get the error "Cannot load file: Unknown leverage controller type". Now the gig file, according to its manual, has some fancy imidi/GigaStudio specific scripting for Legato which I thought I could see if I could get working with gigedit... But this error appeared. There are also .gsi files inside the directory relating to Legato, but I don't think they're supported by linuxsampler at this time? Andrew. |
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From: Christian S. <sch...@li...> - 2017-05-21 13:14:13
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On Sunday, May 21, 2017 12:22:50 Andrew C wrote: > I cannot load the Eb Clarinet long notes giga file from Westgate Studios > into Linuxsampler. > > I get the error "Cannot load file: Unknown leverage controller type". Chances that the file might be corrupt? I.e. was it on a unreliable media for a long time or something? Because libgig should support all known leverage controllers of up to the latest version of GigaStudio, and you know there was no new GigaStudio version for many years now. I just committed a change to libgig which will show the precise leverage controller number when this exception is thrown. So please update libgig to latest SVN and recompile, then the exception should look something like this: RIFF::Exception: Unknown leverage controller type (0xfc). > Now the gig file, according to its manual, has some fancy imidi/GigaStudio > specific scripting for Legato which I thought I could see if I could get > working with gigedit... But this error appeared. These are Tascam's so called "Legato Rules", which are supported by libgig and gigedit, but ATM they are not supported by LinuxSampler. So you can load those sounds with the sampler, but the legato rules will be ignored by the sampler engine ATM. The MIDI control trigger rules are supported by the sampler though BTW. Actually I wanted to implement the legato rules for the sampler, but when I looked at it I thought this is far too limited. Just open such a gig file with gigedit and open the "MIDI Rules" editor for that and you might get an idea about it. Basically what it does is defining a small set of samples which shall be played for resembling legato behavior from one certain key to another. So the sound designer had to bundle a separate audio sample for the individual possibilities of tone transitions. And there two problems: the total amount of samples was very limited (I can't remember how many, about 24?, Andreas might tell you though) and you could not customize anything on that legato behavior for your sounds. So the legato rules are *not* scripting. Due to all those limitations found, I rather decided starting to implement the real-time instrument script feature instead. With that new scripting feature you can do everything those iMIDI rules could do, but also much more than that. > There are also .gsi files inside the directory relating to Legato, but I > don't think they're supported by linuxsampler at this time? They are not supported, and right now I can't even remember which extension was for what. I think this one was for defining a stack of instrument combinations. There was also a file for saving impulse response samples for GigaPulse, I think those were .gsp files, but we are not supporting them either. Andreas might tell you more about the unsupported GSt file types. CU Christian |
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From: Andrew C <cou...@gm...> - 2017-05-21 13:40:27
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Loading gig instrument ('/media/andrew/Seagate Expansion
Drive/WS_MS_BbClarinet_GS3/Clarinet (Bb)_Long
Notes_Legato_Glissando.gig',1)...gig::Engine error: Failed to load
instrument, cause: Unknown leverage controller type (0x2).
Is what I get back. :\
This was actually a fresh download from Big Fish Audio, the site I bought
it from, and all the other included gig files load and work fine except for
this file.
On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Christian Schoenebeck <
sch...@li...> wrote:
> On Sunday, May 21, 2017 12:22:50 Andrew C wrote:
> > I cannot load the Eb Clarinet long notes giga file from Westgate Studios
> > into Linuxsampler.
> >
> > I get the error "Cannot load file: Unknown leverage controller type".
>
> Chances that the file might be corrupt? I.e. was it on a unreliable media
> for
> a long time or something? Because libgig should support all known leverage
> controllers of up to the latest version of GigaStudio, and you know there
> was
> no new GigaStudio version for many years now.
>
> I just committed a change to libgig which will show the precise leverage
> controller number when this exception is thrown. So please update libgig to
> latest SVN and recompile, then the exception should look something like
> this:
>
> RIFF::Exception: Unknown leverage controller type (0xfc).
>
> > Now the gig file, according to its manual, has some fancy
> imidi/GigaStudio
> > specific scripting for Legato which I thought I could see if I could get
> > working with gigedit... But this error appeared.
>
> These are Tascam's so called "Legato Rules", which are supported by libgig
> and
> gigedit, but ATM they are not supported by LinuxSampler. So you can load
> those
> sounds with the sampler, but the legato rules will be ignored by the
> sampler
> engine ATM. The MIDI control trigger rules are supported by the sampler
> though
> BTW.
>
> Actually I wanted to implement the legato rules for the sampler, but when I
> looked at it I thought this is far too limited. Just open such a gig file
> with
> gigedit and open the "MIDI Rules" editor for that and you might get an idea
> about it. Basically what it does is defining a small set of samples which
> shall be played for resembling legato behavior from one certain key to
> another. So the sound designer had to bundle a separate audio sample for
> the
> individual possibilities of tone transitions. And there two problems: the
> total amount of samples was very limited (I can't remember how many, about
> 24?, Andreas might tell you though) and you could not customize anything on
> that legato behavior for your sounds.
>
> So the legato rules are *not* scripting. Due to all those limitations
> found, I
> rather decided starting to implement the real-time instrument script
> feature
> instead. With that new scripting feature you can do everything those iMIDI
> rules could do, but also much more than that.
>
> > There are also .gsi files inside the directory relating to Legato, but I
> > don't think they're supported by linuxsampler at this time?
>
> They are not supported, and right now I can't even remember which extension
> was for what. I think this one was for defining a stack of instrument
> combinations. There was also a file for saving impulse response samples for
> GigaPulse, I think those were .gsp files, but we are not supporting them
> either.
>
> Andreas might tell you more about the unsupported GSt file types.
>
> CU
> Christian
>
>
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From: Andrew C <cou...@gm...> - 2017-05-21 20:25:56
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I also tried opening the offending file in Translator 6 Free. It opened fine and I could see all the programs and preview all the wav samples inside, so I'm certain the file is not corrupted at least. I also came across this thread and I see that leverage controller 0x2 isn't listed there. Seems like it's a bug/glitch that LS is having... :S https://bb.linuxsampler.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=376 Andrew. On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Andrew C <cou...@gm...> wrote: > Loading gig instrument ('/media/andrew/Seagate Expansion > Drive/WS_MS_BbClarinet_GS3/Clarinet (Bb)_Long > Notes_Legato_Glissando.gig',1)...gig::Engine error: Failed to load > instrument, cause: Unknown leverage controller type (0x2). > > Is what I get back. :\ > > This was actually a fresh download from Big Fish Audio, the site I bought > it from, and all the other included gig files load and work fine except for > this file. > > On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Christian Schoenebeck < > sch...@li...> wrote: > >> On Sunday, May 21, 2017 12:22:50 Andrew C wrote: >> > I cannot load the Eb Clarinet long notes giga file from Westgate Studios >> > into Linuxsampler. >> > >> > I get the error "Cannot load file: Unknown leverage controller type". >> >> Chances that the file might be corrupt? I.e. was it on a unreliable media >> for >> a long time or something? Because libgig should support all known leverage >> controllers of up to the latest version of GigaStudio, and you know there >> was >> no new GigaStudio version for many years now. >> >> I just committed a change to libgig which will show the precise leverage >> controller number when this exception is thrown. So please update libgig >> to >> latest SVN and recompile, then the exception should look something like >> this: >> >> RIFF::Exception: Unknown leverage controller type (0xfc). >> >> > Now the gig file, according to its manual, has some fancy >> imidi/GigaStudio >> > specific scripting for Legato which I thought I could see if I could get >> > working with gigedit... But this error appeared. >> >> These are Tascam's so called "Legato Rules", which are supported by >> libgig and >> gigedit, but ATM they are not supported by LinuxSampler. So you can load >> those >> sounds with the sampler, but the legato rules will be ignored by the >> sampler >> engine ATM. The MIDI control trigger rules are supported by the sampler >> though >> BTW. >> >> Actually I wanted to implement the legato rules for the sampler, but when >> I >> looked at it I thought this is far too limited. Just open such a gig file >> with >> gigedit and open the "MIDI Rules" editor for that and you might get an >> idea >> about it. Basically what it does is defining a small set of samples which >> shall be played for resembling legato behavior from one certain key to >> another. So the sound designer had to bundle a separate audio sample for >> the >> individual possibilities of tone transitions. And there two problems: the >> total amount of samples was very limited (I can't remember how many, about >> 24?, Andreas might tell you though) and you could not customize anything >> on >> that legato behavior for your sounds. >> >> So the legato rules are *not* scripting. Due to all those limitations >> found, I >> rather decided starting to implement the real-time instrument script >> feature >> instead. With that new scripting feature you can do everything those iMIDI >> rules could do, but also much more than that. >> >> > There are also .gsi files inside the directory relating to Legato, but I >> > don't think they're supported by linuxsampler at this time? >> >> They are not supported, and right now I can't even remember which >> extension >> was for what. I think this one was for defining a stack of instrument >> combinations. There was also a file for saving impulse response samples >> for >> GigaPulse, I think those were .gsp files, but we are not supporting them >> either. >> >> Andreas might tell you more about the unsupported GSt file types. >> >> CU >> Christian >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> ------------------ >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> _______________________________________________ >> Linuxsampler-devel mailing list >> Lin...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/linuxsampler-devel >> > > |
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From: Christian S. <sch...@li...> - 2017-05-22 11:45:28
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On Sunday, May 21, 2017 21:25:48 Andrew C wrote: > I also tried opening the offending file in Translator 6 Free. It opened > fine and I could see all the programs and preview all the wav samples > inside, so I'm certain the file is not corrupted at least. Does it show you parameters? If yes, which controllers does it show for those 3 leverage controllers (EG1 Controller, EG2 Controller, Attenuation Controller)? > I also came across this thread and I see that leverage controller 0x2 isn't > listed there. Seems like it's a bug/glitch that LS is having... :S Well, maybe we missed out that a new one was added with GSt4 or something. We will see. CU Christian |
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From: Andrew C <cou...@gm...> - 2017-05-22 18:22:14
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Sadly I can't see the parameters for the specific gig file. Probably not much help here either, but the 'date modified' for these files is May/June 2007, a year or so before GSt4 was released. :\ On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 12:48 PM, Christian Schoenebeck < sch...@li...> wrote: > On Sunday, May 21, 2017 21:25:48 Andrew C wrote: > > I also tried opening the offending file in Translator 6 Free. It opened > > fine and I could see all the programs and preview all the wav samples > > inside, so I'm certain the file is not corrupted at least. > > Does it show you parameters? If yes, which controllers does it show for > those > 3 leverage controllers (EG1 Controller, EG2 Controller, Attenuation > Controller)? > > > I also came across this thread and I see that leverage controller 0x2 > isn't > > listed there. Seems like it's a bug/glitch that LS is having... :S > > Well, maybe we missed out that a new one was added with GSt4 or something. > We > will see. > > CU > Christian > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Linuxsampler-devel mailing list > Lin...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/linuxsampler-devel > |
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From: Andreas P. <and...@ou...> - 2017-05-22 18:47:13
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Andrew C wrote: > Sadly I can't see the parameters for the specific gig file. > > Probably not much help here either, but the 'date modified' for these > files is May/June 2007, a year or so before GSt4 was released. :\ Hi, I have also seen gig files with unknown "leverage controller" values. In my case it was 4. If I open a gig where I've put 2 as value for the Envelope 1 Modulation Source in GigaStudio Instument Editor (v3, I don't have v4), it just shows "None" in that field. Same with value 4. /Andreas |
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From: Christian S. <sch...@li...> - 2017-05-23 14:55:26
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On Monday, May 22, 2017 18:47:05 Andreas Persson wrote: > Andrew C wrote: > > Sadly I can't see the parameters for the specific gig file. > > > > Probably not much help here either, but the 'date modified' for these > > files is May/June 2007, a year or so before GSt4 was released. :\ > > Hi, > > I have also seen gig files with unknown "leverage controller" values. In > my case it was 4. If I open a gig where I've put 2 as value for the > Envelope 1 Modulation Source in GigaStudio Instument Editor (v3, I don't > have v4), it just shows "None" in that field. Same with value 4. Ok, thanks Andreas for the clarification! I just committed an appropriate change to libgig: it now simply ignores invalid leverage controller types, prints a warning on the console instead, and sets the respective controller to "none". CU Christian |
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From: Andrew C <cou...@gm...> - 2017-05-23 21:06:54
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Fantastic, the gig file opens and I can play the instruments. Getting some issues with the SmartMidi dimension Legato/Glissando instruments though. I'll create a new thread for this, but they seem complex as hell and I'm not sure if from a development POV they're worth supporting fully when kontakt scripting is available in-editor? Thanks for all the help with this, guys. On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Christian Schoenebeck < sch...@li...> wrote: > On Monday, May 22, 2017 18:47:05 Andreas Persson wrote: > > Andrew C wrote: > > > Sadly I can't see the parameters for the specific gig file. > > > > > > Probably not much help here either, but the 'date modified' for these > > > files is May/June 2007, a year or so before GSt4 was released. :\ > > > > Hi, > > > > I have also seen gig files with unknown "leverage controller" values. In > > my case it was 4. If I open a gig where I've put 2 as value for the > > Envelope 1 Modulation Source in GigaStudio Instument Editor (v3, I don't > > have v4), it just shows "None" in that field. Same with value 4. > > Ok, thanks Andreas for the clarification! > > I just committed an appropriate change to libgig: it now simply ignores > invalid leverage controller types, prints a warning on the console instead, > and sets the respective controller to "none". > > CU > Christian > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Linuxsampler-devel mailing list > Lin...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/linuxsampler-devel > |
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