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From: Neil C. <nc...@ho...> - 2002-01-05 01:45:08
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Well I've been a bit busy, I've ordered the Rabbit 2K package (the new HCS III), bid on a Linksys USB10T (Pegasus II, wrong chip), purchased a Netgear EA101 (KLSI, right chip), brought up most of Mr. House (there's a LOT there), reprogrammed the EA101 to look like 3Com's USB NIC (I'm not bidding >$60 just to get a NIC!), writen one article, working on another, roofing (not mine) and rewrote the x10 sniffer (I need to debug it now, hardware crash, argh). I must say I should have read the entire thread before reprogramming the Netgear, I hosed it up royally (installing Device '0'). I fixed it and now Audrey can talk locally but not through my gateway (argh again). Anyway I hope everyone's automation projects are going well. Anyone doing anything new? -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry nc...@ho... http://members.home.net/ncherry (Text only) http://linuxha.sourceforge.net/ (SourceForge) http://hcs.sourceforge.net/ (HCS II) |
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From: Michael <kaz...@se...> - 2002-01-05 07:09:20
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On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 20:55:31, Neil Cherry said... > it and now Audrey can talk locally but not through my gateway (argh > again). Anyway I hope everyone's automation projects are going well. > > Anyone doing anything new? I'm still trying to make my Audrey's ethernet adapter actually work, it's not, and I've no clue why yet. That and I haven't had a lot of time to mess with it. I have considered using some system *other* than X10 to signal my computer, I'm not too happy with the reliability and speed of X10. Though I may just start by messing with the Heyu source code. I'm looking to start by logging motion sensor activations. -- Michael Stella | Sr. Unix Engineer | http://www.thismetalsky.org If Bill Gates had a nickel for every time Windows crashed... ..oh wait, he does. |
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From: Neil C. <nc...@ho...> - 2002-01-05 20:35:55
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Michael wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 20:55:31, Neil Cherry said... > > > it and now Audrey can talk locally but not through my gateway (argh > > again). Anyway I hope everyone's automation projects are going well. > > > > Anyone doing anything new? > > I'm still trying to make my Audrey's ethernet adapter actually work, it's not, > and I've no clue why yet. That and I haven't had a lot of time to mess with > it. Which vendor and what appears to be wrong with the ethernet? I've had good luck with the EA101 once I stopped trying to 'write eeprom' (only use the update!). Since the Linksys had the wrong chip I didn't attempt to upgrade it I just made sure it worked. > I have considered using some system *other* than X10 to signal my computer, > I'm not too happy with the reliability and speed of X10. Though I may just > start by messing with the Heyu source code. I'm looking to start by logging > motion sensor activations. You can go hardwire, ALC is selling a dev kit (meant for Windows), I've found some Lonworks stuff but the interface is expensive ($600+, US). I haven't found much else yet. Though someone mentioned some wireless stuff on CHA. -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry nc...@ho... http://members.home.net/ncherry (Text only) http://linuxha.sourceforge.net/ (SourceForge) http://hcs.sourceforge.net/ (HCS II) |
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From: Michael <kaz...@se...> - 2002-01-05 22:05:04
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On Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 15:46:19, Neil Cherry said... > Which vendor and what appears to be wrong with the ethernet? I've had good > luck with the EA101 once I stopped trying to 'write eeprom' (only use the > update!). Since the Linksys had the wrong chip I didn't attempt to upgrade > it I just made sure it worked. It's the 3Com, the one they used to suggest you buy. It recognises that the adapter is connected, and gives me the options to configure it, but neither doing DHCP or assigning it a static IP address allows it to do anything on the network. I need to get un-busy and try again. > You can go hardwire, ALC is selling a dev kit (meant for Windows), I've > found some Lonworks stuff but the interface is expensive ($600+, US). I > haven't found much else yet. Though someone mentioned some wireless stuff > on CHA. That's what I was thinking, but $600 is VERY expensive. I've found a couple of neat little controllers for under $100, one that includes C source code. I don't use windows for anything at all, so I'd need specifications or sample source code. Two quick ones a friend of mine found: http://www.mpja.com/product.asp?product=8418+KT http://www.mpja.com/product.asp?product=6074+KT -- Michael Stella | Sr. Unix Engineer | http://www.thismetalsky.org "To dwell on the destination is to waste the journey" |
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From: Jay H. <jay...@2i...> - 2002-01-06 05:08:51
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Neil, You missed the list also on the reply ;) I just hit reply-all 3 times before I looked at the headers... I've had parallel/related discussions going between this list, AppDig, and a private one. I'm having to watch the replies carefully. I was going to comment that it was a rather steep price until I realized it included 3 switches (~$60/ea) + outlet + Software + Interface. Since CeBus isn't looking so good, X-10 is X-10, and I still fall in the must-know-status on some stuff it looks like this is the next alternative. Have you worked with this or ALC at all? Jay At 07:04 PM 1/5/02 -0500, Neil Cherry wrote: >Jay Hogg wrote: > > > > Neil, > > > > At 03:46 PM 1/5/02 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >You can go hardwire, ALC is selling a dev kit (meant for Windows), I've > > >found some Lonworks stuff but the interface is expensive ($600+, US). I > > >haven't found much else yet. Though someone mentioned some wireless stuff > > >on CHA. > > > > I saw the press release several months ago but can't seem to find > > the dev kit, rs232 interface, or other related pieces. > > > > Do you know where to find info/pricing/where to order? > >I've responded back to the list (I'm guessing that you're getting caught >by the reply-to address like I am). > >The kit is $312 (not including S+H), you have to call > >Here are some Links: > >http://www.onqtech.com/press/ALCProducts.html >http://www.onqtech.com/products/OnQNewProductsbrochure1307555.pdf >http://www.bass-home.com/faq/faq_alc-protocol.cfm > > >I think what you want is in the catalog but it's ordered from somewhere >else (give them a call and they'll give you the number to order it from). > >-- >Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry nc...@ho... >http://members.home.net/ncherry (Text only) >http://linuxha.sourceforge.net/ (SourceForge) >http://hcs.sourceforge.net/ (HCS II) |
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From: Neil C. <nc...@ho...> - 2002-01-06 05:51:45
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Jay Hogg wrote: > > Neil, > > You missed the list also on the reply ;) I just hit reply-all > 3 times before I looked at the headers... Doh! (Banging head against wall) > I've had parallel/related discussions going between this list, > AppDig, and a private one. I'm having to watch the replies > carefully. It's like tip toeing though land mines, I know the feeling. > I was going to comment that it was a rather steep price until > I realized it included 3 switches (~$60/ea) + outlet + Software > + Interface. Since CeBus isn't looking so good, X-10 is X-10, > and I still fall in the must-know-status on some stuff it looks > like this is the next alternative. I know there was somewhat of a push for CeBus recently on CHA but I don't think it turned up anything useful. Lonworks definitely shows more promise (used very heavily in industrial control). Agreed at $312 it's not bad and there's a site on the web that info about the protocol. As of right now ALC is not on the top of my list of things to do so it can wait. Right now the HCS stuff ranks pretty high, the MachZ SBC running Mr House ranks ver high and getting more stuff on X10 (and removing the black holes) ranks highest (according to wifey). I just discovered that my cisco 500-cs has bee the source of my most recent problems so I'll need a filter for that. The one thing I've noticed about X10 is that they've given up on their PLC stuff. No quality improvement despite the fixes the community has dropped in their lap (for free). They only seem to be playing with wireles and it will get stomped on with the popularity of newer wireless devices. They seem blind to their fate. > Have you worked with this or ALC at all? No, but John Klar has. -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry nc...@ho... http://members.home.net/ncherry (Text only) http://linuxha.sourceforge.net/ (SourceForge) http://hcs.sourceforge.net/ (HCS II) |
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From: Mike B. <bap...@cc...> - 2002-01-06 15:02:11
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While Lon works does have promise, it IS expsenive. Take a look at A-10 from ACT. I saw some demos of this stuff at the Home Automation Expo and it was amazing. Its ability to handle line noise was astounding - I think they were pumping something like 1V of noise onto the line and the switches were still responding. Thier switches are very intelligent - you can program them do do various things at teh switch level. I highly recommend you check it out. Yes, its more pricey than X-10, but would be worth it. Plus they were planning on selling embedded modules for use in TW-523 like interfaces if OEMs wanted to roll their own - impressive stuff. The HCS could have handled an interface if memory serves - so long as someone made a reliable TW-523 like interface. Also I believe that one of A-10's selling points is it is compatible with existing X-10 stuff so you can migrate. http://www.act-solutions.com/PCC.htm Note they also have Lonworks stuff. Mike Neil Cherry wrote: > Jay Hogg wrote: > >>Neil, >> >>You missed the list also on the reply ;) I just hit reply-all >>3 times before I looked at the headers... >> > > Doh! (Banging head against wall) > > >>I've had parallel/related discussions going between this list, >>AppDig, and a private one. I'm having to watch the replies >>carefully. >> > > It's like tip toeing though land mines, I know the feeling. > > >>I was going to comment that it was a rather steep price until >>I realized it included 3 switches (~$60/ea) + outlet + Software >>+ Interface. Since CeBus isn't looking so good, X-10 is X-10, >>and I still fall in the must-know-status on some stuff it looks >>like this is the next alternative. >> > > I know there was somewhat of a push for CeBus recently on CHA but I > don't think it turned up anything useful. Lonworks definitely shows > more promise (used very heavily in industrial control). > > Agreed at $312 it's not bad and there's a site on the web that info > about the protocol. As of right now ALC is not on the top of my list > of things to do so it can wait. Right now the HCS stuff ranks pretty > high, the MachZ SBC running Mr House ranks ver high and getting more > stuff on X10 (and removing the black holes) ranks highest (according > to wifey). I just discovered that my cisco 500-cs has bee the source > of my most recent problems so I'll need a filter for that. > > The one thing I've noticed about X10 is that they've given up on their > PLC stuff. No quality improvement despite the fixes the community has > dropped in their lap (for free). They only seem to be playing with > wireles and it will get stomped on with the popularity of newer > wireless devices. They seem blind to their fate. > > >>Have you worked with this or ALC at all? >> > > No, but John Klar has. > > |
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From: John K. <jk...@pr...> - 2002-01-16 02:30:38
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I re-order this a bit to reply in context. On Sat, 5 Jan 2002, Jay Hogg wrote: > At 07:04 PM 1/5/02 -0500, Neil Cherry wrote: > >Jay Hogg wrote: > > > > > > Neil, > > > > > > At 03:46 PM 1/5/02 -0500, you wrote: > > > > > > >You can go hardwire, ALC is selling a dev kit (meant for Windows), [snip] > > > I saw the press release several months ago but can't seem to find > > > the dev kit, rs232 interface, or other related pieces. > > > > > > Do you know where to find info/pricing/where to order? > >I've responded back to the list (I'm guessing that you're getting caught > >by the reply-to address like I am). > > > >The kit is $312 (not including S+H), you have to call Is this the "ALC System Developer's Kit"? As found on pg. 5 of http://www.onqtech.com/products/OnQNewProductsbrochure1307555.pdf If so, who do you have to call? > I was going to comment that it was a rather steep price until > I realized it included 3 switches (~$60/ea) + outlet + Software > + Interface. Assuming you're talking about the ALC kit, that's rather good pricing for the switches. Last time I checked, the cheapest one, the relay was $80-85 and the dimmer ran about $95-100. Sadly(?) I've got all I (should) ever need. > Since CeBus isn't looking so good, X-10 is X-10, > and I still fall in the must-know-status on some stuff it looks > like this is the next alternative. ALC should work well for "must-know-status" particularly if you don't need too high a resolution (sub-second on a fully loaded (31) branch would be a challenge). From my analysis of the protocol, it could have been better (much better), but it still beats the pants off X-10 (Hardwired for starters, the kicker is 9600baud vs. 60baud) > Have you worked with this or ALC at all? You could say that :) > >Here are some Links: > > > >http://www.onqtech.com/press/ALCProducts.html > >http://www.onqtech.com/products/OnQNewProductsbrochure1307555.pdf > >http://www.bass-home.com/faq/faq_alc-protocol.cfm My own page: http://www.projectplasma.com/ALC/index.html John |
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