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From: Starman <st...@ma...> - 2002-09-06 05:36:50
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Hi all, I just got a DC a few days ago to replace the one I sold a year ago which I thought I'd never need again. I accidentally found out about this project while looking throught the XBox Linux project mailing list archives. Some questions: I downloaded an iso and it boots almost perfectly. I got it from dcemulation.com. It has X and it works fine with my kb and mouse. However, ps doesn't work. I've been using UNIX for over 15 years and ps has always been the one and only program to check the process list. This version of Linux (kernel 2.4.something) has something else as ps. Something about symlinking I belive (I could be wrong). Anyone know why? Is the BBA supported in the one I downloaded, or in the latest snapsot? Anyone get Apache to run? The folks at the NetBSD DC project have Apache running. The documentation/article gives no details about a development environment, just the tools to use. Is Cygwin OK? Anyone using Windows as their development platform? I don't use Linux on a regular basis, and making a Linux box would be a serious pain in the neck right now the way I have my machines set up. How out of date is that article? Is there a diff/update for it in CVS? Why no iso bootable images? Why is the CVS repository dusty? I see items that look important that haven't been updated in over a year, yet the mailing list is active. Is it possible to save settings in the VMU? Not secure, but this isn't server farm material now, is it? :) Thanks. I hope to start fiddling with this more. Mike |
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From: M. R. B. <mr...@0x...> - 2002-09-06 08:03:04
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* Starman <st...@ma...> on Fri, Sep 06, 2002: > =20 > Some questions: > I downloaded an iso and it boots almost perfectly. I got it from > dcemulation.com. It has X and it works fine with my kb and mouse. > However, ps doesn't work. I've been using UNIX for over 15 years and ps > has always been the one and only program to check the process list. This > version of Linux (kernel 2.4.something) has something else as ps. > Something about symlinking I belive (I could be wrong). Anyone know why? >=20 This was a leaked image from over 2 years ago and it was never endorsed/supported by this group. I had asked dcemulation to take it down long ago, but there you have it ... let's just say you're severely limited by what you can do. The same folks who developed that image developed another (good) one that c= an be found at ftp://ftp.m17n.org/pub/linux-sh/dreamcast/. You can use this a= s a base distribution (it's Debian) and upgrade it to "current" by following the instructions at http://debian.dodes.org/. > Is the BBA supported in the one I downloaded, or in the latest snapsot? > =20 The BBA is fully supported in code found in CVS at linuxsh.org. > Anyone get Apache to run? The folks at the NetBSD DC project have Apache > running. > =20 Linux/Dreamcast userland has been stable for years (it feels funny saying that :P), while the NetBSD/DC team was finally able to stabilize their kernel and userland in the last few months. So yes, Apache works just fine. > The documentation/article gives no details about a development > environment, just the tools to use. Is Cygwin OK? Anyone using Windows > as their development platform? I don't use Linux on a regular basis, and > making a Linux box would be a serious pain in the neck right now the way > I have my machines set up. How out of date is that article? Is there a > diff/update for it in CVS? > =20 The usual caveats for doing cross-development under Cygwin apply. Search for docs on building Cygwin to Linux cross-compilers from Mumit Khan, also search the ps2dev resources for more updated instructions. The article is out of date in terms of the compilers used, and a few other minor points - all the rules should still apply. Also, we're currently trying to move up to the new GCC 3.2 toolchain, and we aren't having a lot of success with it atm. It's slowly being worked on though. The main problem is library support, we've been using glibc and it's been stable forever, but we're trying to switch to uClibc and it's been giving us some problems. > Why no iso bootable images? > =20 We've never gotten around to it. It is *planned*, one of our developers is working on getting Gentoo[.org] bootstrapped, and of course you already have a sizeable unstable debian distro to play with. > Why is the CVS repository dusty? I see items that look important that > haven't been updated in over a year, yet the mailing list is active. > =20 We currently have only one active hacker working on the kernel, userland is pretty much ignored save for the paragraph above. A couple of other kernel hackers have been doing other things but haven't abandoned the project yet, unfortunately I can't give you a time frame of when they'll become more active again :P. > Is it possible to save settings in the VMU? Not secure, but this isn't > server farm material now, is it? :) > =20 What type of settings? Adrian just added VMU read/write support in the last couple of days, so grab CVS and you should be good to go. He needs testers anyway. Note that there isn't VMUfs support yet, so backup your gamesaves before playing with the VMU support. > Thanks. I hope to start fiddling with this more. > =20 Sounds great! M. R. |
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From: <ps...@wi...> - 2002-09-07 21:16:27
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On Fri, 6 Sep 2002 03:02:57 -0500 "M. R. Brown" <mr...@0x...> wrote: > We've never gotten around to it. It is *planned*, one of our developers is > working on getting Gentoo[.org] bootstrapped, and of course you already > have a sizeable unstable debian distro to play with. i'm almost done with my clumpos port to openmosix, named plumpos. soon as that's done i'll get started on the gentoo port. more than likely i won't make an iso immediately, but more of a gentoo-ish way of allowing one to pick the apps he/she wants in his/her iso and to emerge them with the dreamcast toolchain. several devs have been working on the uClibc and gcc 3.2 toolchain, which i think is great, but they seem to be stuck on a few bugs. gentoo 1.4 (which will be released VERY soon) uses gcc 3.2, and i can't port 1.4 using an older gcc. why? for one, the binary incompatibility in gcc 3.2 means someone's x86 gentoo 1.4 distribution will be incompatible with someone's sh4 gentoo 1.4 distribution. yes yes, the binaries already don't just copy over, but there are other things which come into play and it just doesn't seem right, so most likely the first dc port will be gentoo 1.3-based. i just installed debian for the first time (sucessfully) on a new-ish openmosix node, so that means i can prolly update the old dreamcast distribution with ease (once i read the dodes docs and figure out the bootstrapper). if anyone really wants a new iso, i could do one for the time being... |
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From: Adrian M. <ad...@mc...> - 2002-09-07 21:22:48
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On Saturday 07 Sep 2002 10:16 pm, ps...@wi... wrote: > i just installed debian for the first time (sucessfully) on a new-ish > openmosix node, so that means i can prolly update the old dreamcast > distribution with ease (once i read the dodes docs and figure out the > bootstrapper). if anyone really wants a new iso, i could do one for the > time being... > I think this would be a great idea. I'm not too concerned about userland, but the kernel. All the things that have been added over the last year are simply not available to most users of the binary 'distros' knocking around - and I reckon demand would be very large if we put it on the sf pages. Adrian |
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From: M. R. B. <mr...@0x...> - 2002-09-08 12:31:45
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* ps...@wi... <ps...@wi...> on Sat, S= ep 07, 2002: > On Fri, 6 Sep 2002 03:02:57 -0500 > "M. R. Brown" <mr...@0x...> wrote: > > We've never gotten around to it. It is *planned*, one of our developer= s is > > working on getting Gentoo[.org] bootstrapped, and of course you already > > have a sizeable unstable debian distro to play with. >=20 > i'm almost done with my clumpos port to openmosix, named plumpos. soon as= that's done i'll get started on the gentoo port. more than likely i won't = make an iso immediately, but more of a gentoo-ish way of allowing one to pi= ck the apps he/she wants in his/her iso and to emerge them with the dreamca= st toolchain. several devs have been working on the uClibc and gcc 3.2 tool= chain, which i think is great, but they seem to be stuck on a few bugs. gen= too 1.4 (which will be released VERY soon) uses gcc 3.2, and i can't port 1= .4 using an older gcc. why? for one, the binary incompatibility in gcc 3.2 = means someone's x86 gentoo 1.4 distribution will be incompatible with someo= ne's sh4 gentoo 1.4 distribution. yes yes, the binaries already don't just = copy over, but there are other things which come into play and it just does= n't seem right, so most likely the first dc port will be gentoo 1.3-based. >=20 GCC 3.2/uClibc hasn't been worked on because I don't have the time, the "bugs" should be relatively straightforward to fix (unless it's a code generation bug in GCC). > i just installed debian for the first time (sucessfully) on a new-ish ope= nmosix node, so that means i can prolly update the old dreamcast distributi= on with ease (once i read the dodes docs and figure out the bootstrapper). = if anyone really wants a new iso, i could do one for the time being... >=20 The "bootstrapper" is the package at ftp.m17n.org. It works when burned to a CD, and over NFS root with a few tweaks to the startup files. M. R. |
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From: <ps...@wi...> - 2002-09-08 16:23:27
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On Sun, 8 Sep 2002 07:31:37 -0500 "M. R. Brown" <mr...@0x...> wrote: > The "bootstrapper" is the package at ftp.m17n.org. It works when burned to > a CD, and over NFS root with a few tweaks to the startup files. actually, i was talking about the debian bootstrapper. :) |
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From: M. R. B. <mr...@0x...> - 2002-09-08 16:34:34
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* ps...@wi... <ps...@wi...> on Sun, S= ep 08, 2002: > On Sun, 8 Sep 2002 07:31:37 -0500 > "M. R. Brown" <mr...@0x...> wrote: >=20 > > The "bootstrapper" is the package at ftp.m17n.org. It works when burne= d to > > a CD, and over NFS root with a few tweaks to the startup files. >=20 > actually, i was talking about the debian bootstrapper. :) I know what that is. I put mine in quotes to indicate that I was referring to a fictional bootstrapper that's actually an entire distribution. It is enough to get your system going from zero, or bootstrapped. What do you ne= ed the Debian bootstrapper for? Are you trying to build an entire sh4 debian distro from scratch? Is there a reason you can't install the m17n image, update /etc/apt/sources.list per the dodes.org instructions, and upgrade yo= ur system? M. R. |
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