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Announce: brief HowTo in german

[Michael R. <mic...@gm...>]

Moin,

I wrote a HowTo in german language. It covers the configuration for 4 Nvidia 
cards. It's not complete jet, but it may help already!

http://hyaden.dyndns.org/HOWTO/lmu

CU
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Re: Announce: brief HowTo in german

[Svetoslav S. <sv...@gm...>]

> Moin,
Hi Michael,

> I wrote a HowTo in german language. It covers the configuration for 4
> Nvidia 
> cards. It's not complete jet, but it may help already!
> 
> http://hyaden.dyndns.org/HOWTO/lmu

3 notes at first look 
(well one is not really related to the contents)

1.) 
i think the part about the nvidia driver
is totally irrelevant, and maybe even a bit confusing
do you really need to add a script for recompiling it ?

2.)
i really think it's a lot better to use display manager
(gdm to be presize)
instead of adding additional users and using a 
bash script to start all the Xservers for each user

3.) (the not related question)

why is no one giving me any feedback for the howto,
and starts it's own one, IMHO it's confusing to have
a lot of howto's on the same topic, with some small
differencies

the one thing i know, is that my howto is simply huge
but i don't see how to make it smaller without
leaving some functionality

i'll gladly accept coments and patches to the cvs version
(at tldp.org) 

best,

svetljo

PS.

i've sent a small update yesterday
including some notes about IsolateDevice and it's
inclusion in Mandrake's xorg packages and Debian Sid's xfree86 packages
and i droped some comments about the brokeness of 
linux-2.6, but there are still lot to go when i find some time

PPS.
i feel like also some doc's on multiple console users
are needed, but ...
i don't wont to blow the howto even more,
and i'm not sure what to do
also using udev with 2.6 should alow managing
usb (storage/video/audio/mice) devices for each desktop
a lot easier IMHO

PPPS.
if you have some patches, please wait till
till tldp.org updates the cvs version to the one 
i submitted yesterday v1.4

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Re: Announce: brief HowTo in german

[Michael R. <mic...@gm...>]

On Sunday 15 August 2004 13:08, Svetoslav Slavtchev wrote:
> > Moin,
>
> Hi Michael,

Moin,

thanks for your answer.

[...]

> > http://hyaden.dyndns.org/HOWTO/lmu
>
> 3 notes at first look
> (well one is not really related to the contents)
>
> 1.)
> i think the part about the nvidia driver
> is totally irrelevant, and maybe even a bit confusing
> do you really need to add a script for recompiling it ?

The HowTo is very specific to that what we did until now. With other words: At 
the moment it is not more than a 'what we did until now'. We will become more 
generic later. I try test more graphic cards. I also try to give my debian 
pages to Andreas Schuldei as soon as the low latancy patch is tested.

> 2.)
> i really think it's a lot better to use display manager
> (gdm to be presize)
> instead of adding additional users and using a
> bash script to start all the Xservers for each user

That depend. I agree to you if the PC should be a normal desktop for several 
users. But I want to use it at a conference like a kind of 'internet cafe'. 
The conference participants want to read news and mails, so an 'autostart' X 
is the best for them. Maybe we alter this to KDEs kiosk mode.
Anyhow: in later versions of the howto several methods will be described.

> 3.) (the not related question)
>
> why is no one giving me any feedback for the howto,
> and starts it's own one, IMHO it's confusing to have
> a lot of howto's on the same topic, with some small
> differencies

Well, this is an important question. Your HowTo was very helpful to me! But 
many people here don't speak english! They need a german text.
Maybe we should translate your document!
 
> the one thing i know, is that my howto is simply huge
> but i don't see how to make it smaller without
> leaving some functionality

That's the point! But it is all-embracing, and therefore useful for everybody.

CU
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Re: Announce: brief HowTo in german

[Svetoslav S. <sv...@gm...>]

> On Sunday 15 August 2004 13:08, Svetoslav Slavtchev wrote:
> > > Moin,
> >
> > Hi Michael,
> 
> Moin,
> 
> thanks for your answer.

not a problem :-)

> > > http://hyaden.dyndns.org/HOWTO/lmu
> >
> > 3 notes at first look
> > (well one is not really related to the contents)
> >
> > 1.)
> > i think the part about the nvidia driver
> > is totally irrelevant, and maybe even a bit confusing
> > do you really need to add a script for recompiling it ?
> 
> The HowTo is very specific to that what we did until now. With other
> words: At 
> the moment it is not more than a 'what we did until now'. We will become
> more 
> generic later. I try test more graphic cards. I also try to give my debian
> pages to Andreas Schuldei as soon as the low latancy patch is tested.

ok, 
but may be still ....
using low latency is not (deeply) related/required by (b)ruby
you might look for ll hints/links at linux-sound ml

 
> > 2.)
> > i really think it's a lot better to use display manager
> > (gdm to be presize)
> > instead of adding additional users and using a
> > bash script to start all the Xservers for each user
> 
> That depend. I agree to you if the PC should be a normal desktop for
> several 
> users. But I want to use it at a conference like a kind of 'internet
> cafe'. 
> The conference participants want to read news and mails, so an 'autostart'
> X 
> is the best for them. Maybe we alter this to KDEs kiosk mode.
> Anyhow: in later versions of the howto several methods will be described.

guess who sugested the note about i-net cafe's and school pools
at bruby's page :-)

IIRC both gdm and kdm support autologin,
and IMHO it's a lot cleaner to use display manager
instead of shell script to bring up/restart X

 
> > 3.) (the not related question)
> >
> > why is no one giving me any feedback for the howto,
> > and starts it's own one, IMHO it's confusing to have
> > a lot of howto's on the same topic, with some small
> > differencies
> 
> Well, this is an important question. Your HowTo was very helpful to me!
> But 
> many people here don't speak english! They need a german text.
> Maybe we should translate your document!

good luck :-)
just kidding, but i don't have the time
and i as i'm not a native german speaker
it'll be pretty time consuming for me

i'll be really happy if someone translate it
in other languages thought


> > the one thing i know, is that my howto is simply huge
> > but i don't see how to make it smaller without
> > leaving some functionality
> 
> That's the point! But it is all-embracing, and therefore useful for
> everybody.
> 

yes, but also scary for newbies :(
i really don't know what to do about this

on a mandrake PC it's almost as easy as
install kernel and modified X using a package manager
adjust configuration 
- for a 2 user system this could be limited just to 
  editing gdm : add aditional X server
  and Xf86Config-4/xorg.conf (add two new layouts)
- for more users hotplug configuration is also needed 
  and it's getting more complicated
(for debian with Andreas packages, the same probably applies too)

best,

svetljo

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Re: Announce: brief HowTo in german (GAMES)

[Aivils <ai...@un...>]

On Wednesday 18 August 2004 22:23, Svetoslav Slavtchev wrote:
> I also try to give my debian
> > pages to Andreas Schuldei as soon as the low latancy patch is tested.

Also 2.6 note for gamers.
Low latency will not help for multiple game instances.
Normal 2.6 tack scheduler will give very long timeslices for each
process, aprox 200ms. As result if You start two copies of games,
then both games became unplayable choppy, tuxracer included.

Solution is
nice +19 game-bin
This commandline guaranted 10ms rescheduling for game-bin,
so in my end 3 simultaneous games run smooth.
2.6 task scheduler is customized for desktop apps, which is bad
for simultaneous 100% CPU tasks. According code author Con
Kolivas it must be so and cannot be changeable.

Aivils